Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[DirtyDez]

I amend the offer to $5M/yr or $8M/yr if he shaves his head thereby immediately boosting his shooting percentage from the field by 5%. I swear to God if the difference between me shooting a bit better from the field was millions of dollars I'd have shaved that **** 4 years ago.

Are you telling me that millennials care more about their appearance than their jobs?

By no means am I making a blanket statement about millennials, but you'll never convince me his hair doesn't effect his shot. It's like shooting with a baseball hat on. There's no way you can shoot with proper mechanics and not hit the bill of the cap (or in his case his wonky hairdo) thereby affecting the shot.

Also, please note it's not a racist thing or an out of touch older white dude thing. My favorite player in the NFL this year was Alvin Kamara who has a septum piercing, gold teeth and dreds. It would make no difference if his hair were 2 feet tall if it didn't effect his play.

Nah I was bagging on Gen Y.

Kamara and Hunt are the best duo of rookie RB's arguably ever.

[AtheJ415]

I amend the offer to $5M/yr or $8M/yr if he shaves his head thereby immediately boosting his shooting percentage from the field by 5%. I swear to God if the difference between me shooting a bit better from the field was millions of dollars I'd have shaved that **** 4 years ago.

Are you telling me that millennials care more about their appearance than their jobs?

By no means am I making a blanket statement about millennials, but you'll never convince me his hair doesn't effect his shot. It's like shooting with a baseball hat on. There's no way you can shoot with proper mechanics and not hit the bill of the cap (or in his case his wonky hairdo) thereby affecting the shot.

Also, please note it's not a racist thing or an out of touch older white dude thing. My favorite player in the NFL this year was Alvin Kamara who has a septum piercing, gold teeth and dreds. It would make no difference if his hair were 2 feet tall if it didn't effect his play.

Not just his shot, but his vision. I know he has a really high assist %, but the hair literally bobs up and down in front of his forehead as he runs. That has to impact vision, even if just peripheral. I would consider a hair contingency in the deal personally. When he first entered the league he had a fro but it didn't crawl out in front like that, so it probably impacted his shot still, but not his vision.

[bwgood77]

Kentucky lost again. Calipari, come on down. (No idea if he would be a good coach in the NBA)

He already was once...he sucks at this level...he only seems so good because of his recruiting. He almost always has the most talent of all teams in college basketball, except this year, but it's easy to look good when that's the case.

[bwgood77]

Suppose Payton continues to play like he did tonight against the Nuggets. What would you pay him??

As little as we have to on a 4 year contract (3 Guaranteed + 1 Team Option).

4/32 with year 4 a team option.

I wouldn't offer him that much or long unless there were other bidders, and I am not sure there will be. If no other bidders, I would give him less..maybe like 3 years, $21 with team option in 3rd. The only reason I would pay him more than market dictates is if he threatened to take the QO otherwise. It also depends on the draft, but it's a little early to judge. At this point I think it's certainly worth keeping him around though, even if we draft a PG....he would likely start to begin season unless we get Doncic, or maybe Young.

[bwgood77]

Are you telling me that millennials care more about their appearance than their jobs?

By no means am I making a blanket statement about millennials, but you'll never convince me his hair doesn't effect his shot. It's like shooting with a baseball hat on. There's no way you can shoot with proper mechanics and not hit the bill of the cap (or in his case his wonky hairdo) thereby affecting the shot.

Also, please note it's not a racist thing or an out of touch older white dude thing. My favorite player in the NFL this year was Alvin Kamara who has a septum piercing, gold teeth and dreds. It would make no difference if his hair were 2 feet tall if it didn't effect his play.

Not just his shot, but his vision. I know he has a really high assist %, but the hair literally bobs up and down in front of his forehead as he runs. That has to impact vision, even if just peripheral. I would consider a hair contingency in the deal personally. When he first entered the league he had a fro but it didn't crawl out in front like that, so it probably impacted his shot still, but not his vision.

I would wager he cuts his hair within the next month.

[Wilber85]

Crazy how some fans automatically hate Payton and talk crap about his hair .

Y’all are pathetic . Dude looked good and I liked how he ran the offense !

[jredsaz]

By no means am I making a blanket statement about millennials, but you'll never convince me his hair doesn't effect his shot. It's like shooting with a baseball hat on. There's no way you can shoot with proper mechanics and not hit the bill of the cap (or in his case his wonky hairdo) thereby affecting the shot.

Also, please note it's not a racist thing or an out of touch older white dude thing. My favorite player in the NFL this year was Alvin Kamara who has a septum piercing, gold teeth and dreds. It would make no difference if his hair were 2 feet tall if it didn't effect his play.

Not just his shot, but his vision. I know he has a really high assist %, but the hair literally bobs up and down in front of his forehead as he runs. That has to impact vision, even if just peripheral. I would consider a hair contingency in the deal personally. When he first entered the league he had a fro but it didn't crawl out in front like that, so it probably impacted his shot still, but not his vision.

I would wager he cuts his hair within the next month.

What would you wager?!

I hope he does. It's like his free throw stroke is engineered to accommodate his hairdo. The Magic people must have talked to him about it. The new regime must have addressed the hair before they gave up on him. It says something about a guy who won't make a superficial change like that in order to try and reach his potential.

If Payton played up to his tenth overall pick in the draft potential - or even close to it - the do wouldnt bother me.

[bwgood77]

Not just his shot, but his vision. I know he has a really high assist %, but the hair literally bobs up and down in front of his forehead as he runs. That has to impact vision, even if just peripheral. I would consider a hair contingency in the deal personally. When he first entered the league he had a fro but it didn't crawl out in front like that, so it probably impacted his shot still, but not his vision.

I would wager he cuts his hair within the next month.

What would you wager?!

I hope he does. It's like his free throw stroke is engineered to accommodate his hairdo. The Magic people must have talked to him about it. The new regime must have addressed the hair before they gave up on him. It says something about a guy who won't make a superficial change like that in order to try and reach his potential.

If Payton played up to his tenth overall pick in the draft potential - or even close to it - the do wouldnt bother me.

Well he said in the interview he would likely cut it soon, and it was hanging down tonight in front of his eyes and him saying he doesn't put anything in it to make it like that and it's the natural way his hair grows, it will only get worse and completely guard his vision. Plus I imagine his agent is telling him he has a better chance in FA if he cuts his hair and probably sooner than later so people can see him play without it.

As for wager...I'd probably put money on it if it was a prop bet on a gambling site and I still gambled but here I would probably just do a sig bet.

[jredsaz]

Have to say that was a great game to watch. Jackson and Bender can be special defenders and Payton got into Murray. Booker with that lineup should be fun to watch. Book needs their defense and they desperately need his shooting.

[jredsaz]

I would wager he cuts his hair within the next month.

What would you wager?!

I hope he does. It's like his free throw stroke is engineered to accommodate his hairdo. The Magic people must have talked to him about it. The new regime must have addressed the hair before they gave up on him. It says something about a guy who won't make a superficial change like that in order to try and reach his potential.

If Payton played up to his tenth overall pick in the draft potential - or even close to it - the do wouldnt bother me.

Well he said in the interview he would likely cut it soon, and it was hanging down tonight in front of his eyes and him saying he doesn't put anything in it to make it like that and it's the natural way his hair grows, it will only get worse and completely guard his vision. Plus I imagine his agent is telling him he has a better chance in FA if he cuts his hair and probably sooner than later so people can see him play without it.

As for wager...I'd probably put money on it if it was a prop bet on a gambling site and I still gambled but here I would probably just do a sig bet.

I missed that interview post game. Thats great news.

[sunsbum]

His hair is what it is, he's not going to change it so whatever. Does this have to be an hourly topic?

[thamadkant]

Crazy how some fans automatically hate Payton and talk crap about his hair .

Y’all are pathetic . Dude looked good and I liked how he ran the offense !

so people judge someone because of their appearance and you judge those people based on their freedom to express their opinion. I hate white knights and SJWs in general, but you're just better off not making comments. And yes, I do see the irony of this post... as I'm commenting on a comment I disagree with...

[carey]

Crazy how some fans automatically hate Payton and talk crap about his hair .

Y’all are pathetic . Dude looked good and I liked how he ran the offense !

How exactly have we talked crap? All we said is that it keeps him from being more effective at his job. He literally has millions on the line. It seems strange to me he wouldn't fix it.

[NavLDO]

He's saying no one mentioned going after him the summer in RFA. At least, I'm guessing. Someone may have though. This is different though, because we get a try out period this way to see how he fits with the team before maybe giving him (or matching) an offer.

Full-on agree. It gives him a chance, as well. what I mean, is, he gets to see the guys, interact, feel what we are building here, recognize how big a part/role he can play, etc. That won't likely keep him from signing an RFA deal should one come his way, but if it doesn't, he'll get a sense of what we are about if we offer him a deal., which I can't see us not doing, unless he plays like Ulis.

I've seen you talk a couple times as if he might take a RFA deal elsewhere and it sounds like you think we can't keep him if we want (though not sure if that is what you are thinking). We can match any deal he signs with another team and he has to stay with us. Unless you are just saying he might find a deal out there that is too pricey for us to want to match. Of course we may not want to keep him either.

I'm guessing there won't be much demand for him considering all the teams with cap space have point guards and most of them could have easily traded for him if they wanted to by beating our offer.

Exactly, because you never know what GM out there...maybe Orlando's...who knows...who offers him, say, $20M per (highly unlikely, I know, but Miles Plumlee got $12.5M, and Mozgov got $16M), and we may decide...sorry, that's too rich.

Of course we can keep him if we want; that's never been in question, but maybe that disuades him from signing a 'bad deal' for us to match, because he wants to stay here...of course, the only issue there is, why wouldn't he just sign with us outright, if he likes it here.

And yes, our offer could easily have been beaten (I suppose other teams just go to Euroleague to get their Elfrid-Payton-level PGs for free, without having to give up that precious 2nd Rd pick. I just learned that was a thing from the "A guide to Elfrid Payton" thread! )

[Wilber85]

Crazy how some fans automatically hate Payton and talk crap about his hair .

Y’all are pathetic . Dude looked good and I liked how he ran the offense !

so people judge someone because of their appearance and you judge those people based on their freedom to express their opinion. I hate white knights and SJWs in general, but you're just better off not making comments. And yes, I do see the irony of this post... as I'm commenting on a comment I disagree with...

I am commenting because as a suns fan it pisses me off that a lot of posters aren’t giving dude a shot !

He already almost had a double double and close to a triple double days after joining the team.

Y’all wanna cry about his hair. Let the dude play his game!

We got a steal with this trade

[Frank Lee]

By no means am I making a blanket statement about millennials, but you'll never convince me his hair doesn't effect his shot. It's like shooting with a baseball hat on. There's no way you can shoot with proper mechanics and not hit the bill of the cap (or in his case his wonky hairdo) thereby affecting the shot.

Also, please note it's not a racist thing or an out of touch older white dude thing. My favorite player in the NFL this year was Alvin Kamara who has a septum piercing, gold teeth and dreds. It would make no difference if his hair were 2 feet tall if it didn't effect his play.

Not just his shot, but his vision. I know he has a really high assist %, but the hair literally bobs up and down in front of his forehead as he runs. That has to impact vision, even if just peripheral. I would consider a hair contingency in the deal personally. When he first entered the league he had a fro but it didn't crawl out in front like that, so it probably impacted his shot still, but not his vision.

I would wager he cuts his hair within the next month.

if not, we fans should start up charity ... a fun fund raiser for his hair. If the ticket got up to $50k-100k+ how could he not cut it? Proceeds going to charity of his choice or Locks of Love or something.

That or get him a sports barrette endorsement deal and he can keep his floppy Hdo.

[Puff]

Rockets are signing Wright and Joe Johnson in the buyout market

Not sure where Belinelli or Tony Allen are going but if I am OKC - I would like a somewhat healthy Allen to replace Roberson

But the Rockets - that team added Tucker and Luc Mbah Moute over the offseason - solid tough veterans - smart, know the role and can defend

Gordon could always be your scorer of the bench now they added Joe Johnson

Wright and Nene are good depth at C off the bench

Houston can score and now they have enough wing defenders: Arizona, Luc, Tucker to go against GSW. Better bench scoring Its too early to say they are better than GSW but the gap has closed considerably.

I expect MDA is loving life in Houston. He has depth that he has never had at any stop in his career as an NBA head coach.

If only he would have had an owner and GM like he has in Houston while he was coaching your Phoenix Suns.

If Harden and Paul are healthy come the playoffs the Warriors will have their hands full.

Sarver spent a lot of money while Mike was coach here. Mike was a terrible gm while here, over paying for Banks, and then almost never played him. Rushed to get Piat, when no one else wanted him, and so on. It seems it’s too easy to blame Sarver for things that wasn’t his fault. Mike could have one a chip here, but his stubbornness got in the way often. He always seemed a game behind in adjustments.

Mike never wanted to be GM. Sarver was too cheap to hire a real GM so he added that job to Mike's plate as head coach of the Suns and lead assistant for Coach K on the Olympic team. Sarver had a real GM in BC but would not pay him. Get your facts straight. Sarver actually thought that it was not an important job and thought he did not even need a GM. He thought that he could make those decisions on his own.

I guess we should blame Mike for everything that has happened since he left 7 years ago. We have stunk it up and Sarver has been the one constant.

Most of the reasons for us not winning a championship falls on the shoulders of Robert Sarver and certainly not MDA. If you believe otherwise you really have your head in the sand.

Even if we had a great owner or Phil Jackson as our head coach we might not have won a championhips but Sarver destroyed all possibilites by selling draft picks and being unwilling to pay for legitmate bench players. He only signed over the hill veterans so that the league would finance most of their salary.

[BobbieL]

As little as we have to on a 4 year contract (3 Guaranteed + 1 Team Option).

4/32 with year 4 a team option.

I wouldn't offer him that much or long unless there were other bidders, and I am not sure there will be. If no other bidders, I would give him less..maybe like 3 years, $21 with team option in 3rd. The only reason I would pay him more than market dictates is if he threatened to take the QO otherwise. It also depends on the draft, but it's a little early to judge. At this point I think it's certainly worth keeping him around though, even if we draft a PG....he would likely start to begin season unless we get Doncic, or maybe Young.

with the lack of dollars out there this summer - not many teams have $$ to spend. even if Payton has a really good 26 games with the Suns - hard to think he is getting more than Lou Williams got. I agree 3 years/21m with an option in year 3. If the Suns get him for 7m per year - that's 3m in savings from what his cap hold is

From 2018/2019 salary cap:
Len: 8m
Ulis: 1.5
Payton: 3m savings from cap hold
Heat pick: 2m
Chriss: 3m or Bender 5m

that's 16 to 18mm to spent on a player

If I am McD: I am trying really hard to not move chandler, Dudley, Daniels , Sauce - as that money is close to max money the next summer - granted, if Paul George wants to come here, by Sauce and Daniels immediately

But for a guy like Capela, Aaron Gordon - I think the above is closer to what they can get by with

[King4Day]

As some have suggested, 3 years 7mil per with a team option the 3rd year.
That'd give him some security and a chance to really prove himself.

[bigfoot]

23/21/21/24/20

Age of our starting lineup for the rest of the season !!!