2018 Trade Ideas thread

[Pythagoras]

Randle is becoming a huge topic around here as if something has changed. Nothing I've seen in the past day has changed my mind. Lakers are still on the same path, make room for two max slots. How much money are guys expecting Randle to make? My guess is around 15 million. Once we come up with a dollar figure we can figure out the rest.

I think they're going all in for PG this season, and will lock up Randle for 12-15 this offseason. Use whatever is left to absorb a bad contract for an asset. I think they're going to hang onto Deng for another year and try again to come off his contract with more assets. I think they're going to look to 2019 to try to nab their 2nd max guy.

[Landsberger]

If we get Bron and PG then I think Randle is gone one way or another. He's not a center on a good team. Kuzma, Ingram, PG and LeBron all are somewhat interchangeable pieces. Even with this group Kuzma will be off the bench.

Randle is having more success this year doing what he's always done but his game isn't expanding as much as he's knowing where he's good and doing less from where he's not good. I think his defense is overrated around here and his defensive rebounding is spotty. He can defend on the perimeter but in the post he's not that good and his instinct is still to chase the ball rather than find his man when rebounding. He gives up a lot of rebounds in the paint. To me he's not worth $15M if we have those 4 forwards. I'd let someone make an offer to him and then sign/trade him if we get Bron and PG.

Hell.... we may trade Kuzma as well to get veteran depth if we get those 2. It will be a 2 to 3 year window at best and my guess is that we'd become the landing spot for a lot of 30 something vets chasing a ring. The team could be a lot different next year but it will all be based on if we get those 2. I think if we don't get one of them we won't get either of them as well.

[TylersLakers]

I hope this works out for Isaiah. As a fit, when he's at his best, I think he'd be perfect next to Lonzo.

I hope he can regain himself to what he was and make this a longterm fit.

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[BBBKobe]

Randle is becoming a huge topic around here as if something has changed. Nothing I've seen in the past day has changed my mind. Lakers are still on the same path, make room for two max slots. How much money are guys expecting Randle to make? My guess is around 15 million. Once we come up with a dollar figure we can figure out the rest.

Lakers were dangling Randle around two days ago and people think he's a Laker for life now haha. The only reason he's still a Laker right now is because no team offered a 1st for him.

He'll be renounced this summer if we get commitments from superstars. If we don't, we'll sign him for the QO and or give him a 1 year 25 million dollar deal and let him walk the next summer.

[JohnVancouver]

I hope this works out for Isaiah. As a fit, when he's at his best, I think he'd be perfect next to Lonzo.

I hope he can regain himself to what he was and make this a longterm fit.

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Ah, if only he meant all that .... and maybe he does. We'll have to wait and see.

[myersia]

I hope this works out for Isaiah. As a fit, when he's at his best, I think he'd be perfect next to Lonzo.

I hope he can regain himself to what he was and make this a longterm fit.

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Ah, if only he meant all that .... and maybe he does. We'll have to wait and see.

What is more interesting is that Lonzo looks quite healthy and ready to ball in the background

[Landsberger]

So, how do we build a balanced team with a roster full of decent forwards and a list of Max guys who are all forwards?

We want:
Leonard (next year)
LeBron (this year)
PG (this year)
(I'm leaving Cousins out of this because I can't even fathom the thought of him here)

We have:
Kuzma
Ingram
Randle (maybe)

At this stage LeBron is probably best as a 4 on a team with a guy like Ball. PG can be a 2 or a 3. Leonard is a clone of Bron in many ways so he's best at either forward position.

So... if we get max guys on the roster my guess is that neither are coming off the bench so that ties up 2 of the 3 slots. Ingram and Kuzma will in all likelihood be here next year so one of them is riding the bench (most likely Kuzma) so in the scenario where we re-sign Randle that everyone has hoped for my question is to you; do you think he'll sign here to come off the bench? I don't see him as a center for more than a few minutes in the right scenarios so does a guy like him sign to be a bench player?

I know it's all wild conjecture but it would seem that our top options in FA all overlap with our current crop of young guys in many ways. Kuzma will be the cheapest the longest with Ingram next.

The discussion here has been about IF we can re-sign Randle.... not if Randle wants to re-sign here. I don't see him taking less than market in either time or $$ to be here and I'm not sure we need a $15M back up forward off the bench with the holes we will need to fill around the Max guys. Further, does he want to be a bench forward?

[ShowtimeFan]

I would rather keep Randle, Lopez and IT (on 1-year deals) and only bring in George in 2018, then see what is needed and who is available in the 2019 FA market.

Bringing George and LeBron in and losing Lopez and Randle will make the Lakers very week in the middle (even through Lopez rarely plays there on offense). If Ingram can continue to bulk up, he could be a PF in 2 or 3 years...

[One Love]

Our focus should be 100% on PG who will be 28 next year, plays both ends and is a respected player in the NBA... PG & another year with pups will give us 10-12 more wins which puts us in the mix without the LBJ Circus...

Lakeshow Baby...

[Slava]

Then attention will shift to resigning Randle in a way that ensures another shot at a max FA in 2019. I believe Randle being a RFA ensures the timing of it all works out. Randle won’t get huge offers out the gate.

I think Dallas will make him a big offer, at around 4/$56M. Carlisle really likes him and always makes sure to namedrop him as a match up problem in the games against us.

[dockingsched]

Then attention will shift to resigning Randle in a way that ensures another shot at a max FA in 2019. I believe Randle being a RFA ensures the timing of it all works out. Randle won’t get huge offers out the gate.

I think Dallas will make him a big offer, at around 4/$56M. Carlisle really likes him and always makes sure to namedrop him as a match up problem in the games against us.

Yup, that’s a possibility. So many variables, going to be interesting how it plays out.

I think a possibility to combat this by LA is to put a huge one year offer for Randle on the table out the gate, KCP type deal. 1yr $20 mil and Randle gets to test the market in a year again this time as an UFA and presumably after a whole year of starting and raising his value even more. I haven’t looked ahead that far, but I gotta imagine the market will be a lot more free agent friendly next summer than how it projects to be this summer with so little buyers.

Everything this summer is set up against Randle. Few teams with cap, RFA status, your own team has higher priorities. Not crazy to think he’d be open to taking a huge one year payout and try again next summer.

[iQon]

My priorities would be Julius, PG, a 5, and possibly another 3 and D guy. Preferably a 3 and D guy that can actually score and make some damn FT's.

Big no on LeBron in 2018. He's not worth the headache, nor hostage situations while he drags his player options out.

[Slava]

Then attention will shift to resigning Randle in a way that ensures another shot at a max FA in 2019. I believe Randle being a RFA ensures the timing of it all works out. Randle won’t get huge offers out the gate.

I think Dallas will make him a big offer, at around 4/$56M. Carlisle really likes him and always makes sure to namedrop him as a match up problem in the games against us.

Yup, that’s a possibility. So many variables, going to be interesting how it plays out.

I think a possibility to combat this by LA is to put a huge one year offer for Randle on the table out the gate, KCP type deal. 1yr $20 mil and Randle gets to test the market in a year again this time as an UFA and presumably after a whole year of starting and raising his value even more. I haven’t looked ahead that far, but I gotta imagine the market will be a lot more free agent friendly next summer than how it projects to be this summer with so little buyers.

Everything this summer is set up against Randle. Few teams with cap, RFA status, your own team has higher priorities. Not crazy to think he’d be open to taking a huge one year payout and try again next summer.

I would think he'd take the multi-year offer even for lesser money unless the offers he's seeing are around MLE level but you never know especially with his agent being in lock step with Pelinka so far and he also shares the agent with George, making it easier to engineer both deals around each other.

[Michael Lucky]

Then attention will shift to resigning Randle in a way that ensures another shot at a max FA in 2019. I believe Randle being a RFA ensures the timing of it all works out. Randle won’t get huge offers out the gate.

I think Dallas will make him a big offer, at around 4/$56M. Carlisle really likes him and always makes sure to namedrop him as a match up problem in the games against us.

The match up problem for Dallas is real due to personnel though. I mean Dirk is so ridiculously slow and Randle on the other end so quick. Pretty sure Carlisle knows that the issue here is more against his team than necessarily against everyone else.

[Slava]

Then attention will shift to resigning Randle in a way that ensures another shot at a max FA in 2019. I believe Randle being a RFA ensures the timing of it all works out. Randle won’t get huge offers out the gate.

I think Dallas will make him a big offer, at around 4/$56M. Carlisle really likes him and always makes sure to namedrop him as a match up problem in the games against us.

The match up problem for Dallas is real due to personnel though. I mean Dirk is so ridiculously slow and Randle on the other end so quick. Pretty sure Carlisle knows that the issue here is more against his team than necessarily against everyone else.

They also have Powell and Barnes, even if Barnes isn't strong enough, Powell is a good match up. Carlisle pretty much doubled him on the catch like he was Kobe.

[snaquille oatmeal]

I haven't seen it discussed (which doesn't mean that it hasn't been talked about, if so please point me to the correct thread), but are we confident that LeBron + PG + the current roster (minus whoever's going to be cut and minor additions through the draft, MLE, or other ways) can beat the Warriors? Or even the Rockets? Would we be committing too much for these 2 while not exactly ensuring definite contention and potentially jeopardizing our ability to resign our young players?

I'm not really arguing one way or another, I have a hard time figuring it out myself, just wanted to know if this was discussed somewhere and if not, to start the debate.

- Golden State is not bullet proof.
- Golden State is not deep beyond the starters.
- Golden State is racking up the games going deep into playoffs each season. Normal wear and tear.
- Matchups are key. Youth and size is on our side.
- Our young guns are still getting better (Ingram and Zo, specifically) 4 stars.
- No white flag (surrender) mentality here. Competitiveness is key.
- Our identity of defense first, getting out and running, and sharing the ball is not getting lost with the addition of George and James.

ok you lost me at GS is not deep beyond the starters

[Michael Lucky]

Yeah, i'm not going there either. GSW is arguably one year removed from the having the best year of all time for an NBA team.

[TyCobb]

ok you lost me at GS is not deep beyond the starters

Okay, here's another way to put it... their best bench player is 37.

[Michael Lucky]

True but he's been great off the bench.

[TyCobb]

What are they doing for next season though to fill it out? Expect KD to take another paycut? I'm curious to see how they operate this offseason. Who knows... maybe KD enters another chapter...