Should the Magic resign Mario Hezonja?

[drsd]

Can the Magic resign Mario?

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[prizm]

He is still being played out of position. Dont see him as mazochistical person liking to be hindered in development.
It could be next level if he ends up playing goose in top vic movie next october.

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Is he though?

His handle isn't good enough to play the wing role really.

To me he still has big flaws but he's working things out and finding ways to contribute now, i still don't see him as a legit NBA starter yet but he young.

We should try and resign him, who knows might happen. This offseason is going to be very tight for money which is why we saw lou sign so cheaply the other day.

He is being played out of position. If the magic are planning on trying to keep hezonja in orlando... Imo, to be able to develop him into his full potential, they should play him at SF 70/80% most of the time. Move him into the starting line up and put Simms back on the bench as the 6th man, which Simms would be perfect for

The "handle" thing doesn't make any sense... Simms have worse handles than hezonja yet he plays SF... bojan bogdanovic, gallinari, Wiggins, chandler... I can go on and on who's handles are at the same level as hezonja or even worse are playing SF... so I don't see why hezonja can't play the wing...

The only way I see Orlando being able to resign hezonja is if they offer him a starting spot... which I don't see happening with Simms around

[woosah]

We are.

that's why i lol.

Ohhhhhhh

I really didn't find any clarification on giving him the max we can give him next year, plus an extension. Meaning like 4.5m next year and like 40m for 3 years after. I don't see why we can't do this. The NBA just doesn't want us to circumvent the cap next season.

You would be circumventing it by doing that. Continuing him on the rookie scale means starting at the 4.5 and the pre-determined raises thereafter. The FO knows they f'd up and adamthegreek posted the tweet where they all but acknowledged it.

[basketballRob]

Ohhhhhhh

I really didn't find any clarification on giving him the max we can give him next year, plus an extension. Meaning like 4.5m next year and like 40m for 3 years after. I don't see why we can't do this. The NBA just doesn't want us to circumvent the cap next season.

You would be circumventing it by doing that. Continuing him on the rookie scale means starting at the 4.5 and the pre-determined raises thereafter. The FO knows they f'd up and adamthegreek posted the tweet where they all but acknowledged it.

The pre-determined raise is next season, but after the final season of a rookie scale contract, teams can offer up to the max.

Meaning teams can offer an extension before a rookies final season on a rookie scale contract. The player association would probably argue that we could offer whatever extension we want up to the max before next season. That's not circumventing at all.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Throw some guaranteed playing time in his face, hope for the best.

[woosah]

I really didn't find any clarification on giving him the max we can give him next year, plus an extension. Meaning like 4.5m next year and like 40m for 3 years after. I don't see why we can't do this. The NBA just doesn't want us to circumvent the cap next season.

You would be circumventing it by doing that. Continuing him on the rookie scale means starting at the 4.5 and the pre-determined raises thereafter. The FO knows they f'd up and adamthegreek posted the tweet where they all but acknowledged it.

The pre-determined raise is next season, but after the final season of a rookie scale contract, teams can offer up to the max.

Meaning teams can offer an extension before a rookies final season on a rookie scale contract. The player association would probably argue that we could offer whatever extension we want up to the max before next season. That's not circumventing at all.

not when you have already declined the option.

[prizm]

The only thing I can think of now, is if Vogel and the Magic go above and beyond to make Mario feel comfortable and wanted here.

They're also going to have to promise a good contract around the corner, along with continued development and extended minutes. If they can convince him that starting over in a new town with a new coach and new teammates might mean fighting for playing time, maybe we can keep him. But, I don't even know what Mario's playing time would look like here next season, anyways. Looks like another wasted lottery pick.

And yeah, maybe the market for Mario will suck. Who knows. But I just a have a feeling there's going to be one team out there that says "Hey, we'll give you $6 million" or whatever type of number necessary to convince him to leave. I hope not.

I don't think money is priority with hezonja...who's to say interested teams won't guarantee him a starting spot or more minutes... but if Orlando give their word that he'll get the SF starting spot or at least give him 30+ mins a game to continue his development further... I think he wouldn't even give other teams a listen and resign with us right on the spot...

[woosah]

There is a thread about this in the cba part of realgm. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1633223&p=63362159#p63362159

I asked just to clarify.

[trebone]

I think at the 5 or so we are allowed to offer we have a real chance of him staying, with lou williams signing at 8 per and a lot of wing type established players out there he may not garner more than the minimum from any other team.

[bargnanimvp]

He is still being played out of position. Dont see him as mazochistical person liking to be hindered in development.
It could be next level if he ends up playing goose in top vic movie next october.

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Is he though?

His handle isn't good enough to play the wing role really.

To me he still has big flaws but he's working things out and finding ways to contribute now, i still don't see him as a legit NBA starter yet but he young.

We should try and resign him, who knows might happen. This offseason is going to be very tight for money which is why we saw lou sign so cheaply the other day.

He is being played out of position. If the magic are planning on trying to keep hezonja in orlando... Imo, to be able to develop him into his full potential, they should play him at SF 70/80% most of the time. Move him into the starting line up and put Simms back on the bench as the 6th man, which Simms would be perfect for

The "handle" thing doesn't make any sense... Simms have worse handles than hezonja yet he plays SF... bojan bogdanovic, gallinari, Wiggins, chandler... I can go on and on who's handles are at the same level as hezonja or even worse are playing SF... so I don't see why hezonja can't play the wing...

The only way I see Orlando being able to resign hezonja is if they offer him a starting spot... which I don't see happening with Simms around

Hezonja can't dribble a basketball at speed, all those other guys you mentioned can dribble a ball. Hezonja's handles are awful for a wing.

[Mario_Kasun]

You gotta give the kid credit.. Mario has hung in there and has actually looked like an NBA player lately. I hope the Magic find a way to retain him.

[mbn23]

4yrs/32 or 4yrs/36. Get it done WeHam!

This seems like a fair deal. Look what Lou Williams got with the Clippers. I understand that Mario is younger, but with Lou proving himself with better numbers than Mario, Mario should in theory get similar payday as Lou Williams.

Mario getting 4yr/36 would be sufficient, then sign A Gordon to a 4 yr 84 Mill extension, keep Vooch and trade Biyambo

[prizm]

Is he though?

His handle isn't good enough to play the wing role really.

To me he still has big flaws but he's working things out and finding ways to contribute now, i still don't see him as a legit NBA starter yet but he young.

We should try and resign him, who knows might happen. This offseason is going to be very tight for money which is why we saw lou sign so cheaply the other day.

He is being played out of position. If the magic are planning on trying to keep hezonja in orlando... Imo, to be able to develop him into his full potential, they should play him at SF 70/80% most of the time. Move him into the starting line up and put Simms back on the bench as the 6th man, which Simms would be perfect for

The "handle" thing doesn't make any sense... Simms have worse handles than hezonja yet he plays SF... bojan bogdanovic, gallinari, Wiggins, chandler... I can go on and on who's handles are at the same level as hezonja or even worse are playing SF... so I don't see why hezonja can't play the wing...

The only way I see Orlando being able to resign hezonja is if they offer him a starting spot... which I don't see happening with Simms around

Hezonja can't dribble a basketball at speed, all those other guys you mentioned can dribble a ball. Hezonja's handles are awful for a wing.

Weird, I guess we must had watched different games... he's been dribbling the ball at full speed, slashing then finishing a lot at the rim... seems like decent enough handles for a wing... just like the other guys I mentioned.

[ladovina]

Is he though?

His handle isn't good enough to play the wing role really.

To me he still has big flaws but he's working things out and finding ways to contribute now, i still don't see him as a legit NBA starter yet but he young.

We should try and resign him, who knows might happen. This offseason is going to be very tight for money which is why we saw lou sign so cheaply the other day.

He is being played out of position. If the magic are planning on trying to keep hezonja in orlando... Imo, to be able to develop him into his full potential, they should play him at SF 70/80% most of the time. Move him into the starting line up and put Simms back on the bench as the 6th man, which Simms would be perfect for

The "handle" thing doesn't make any sense... Simms have worse handles than hezonja yet he plays SF... bojan bogdanovic, gallinari, Wiggins, chandler... I can go on and on who's handles are at the same level as hezonja or even worse are playing SF... so I don't see why hezonja can't play the wing...

The only way I see Orlando being able to resign hezonja is if they offer him a starting spot... which I don't see happening with Simms around

Hezonja can't dribble a basketball at speed, all those other guys you mentioned can dribble a ball. Hezonja's handles are awful for a wing.

I dont think he has been awful at handling this year, then again i might have an eye issue since i dont see how he is any worse at that from the likes of ariza, carrol, ingram, MKG... he isnt lebron james though, in that i am certain .

[prizm]

He is being played out of position. If the magic are planning on trying to keep hezonja in orlando... Imo, to be able to develop him into his full potential, they should play him at SF 70/80% most of the time. Move him into the starting line up and put Simms back on the bench as the 6th man, which Simms would be perfect for

The "handle" thing doesn't make any sense... Simms have worse handles than hezonja yet he plays SF... bojan bogdanovic, gallinari, Wiggins, chandler... I can go on and on who's handles are at the same level as hezonja or even worse are playing SF... so I don't see why hezonja can't play the wing...

The only way I see Orlando being able to resign hezonja is if they offer him a starting spot... which I don't see happening with Simms around

Hezonja can't dribble a basketball at speed, all those other guys you mentioned can dribble a ball. Hezonja's handles are awful for a wing.

I dont think he has been awful at handling this year, then again i might have an eye issue since i dont see how he is any worse at that from the likes of ariza, carrol, ingram, MKG... he isnt lebron james though, in that i am certain .

Players like me and you mentioned have the same or even worse handle/ball protection level as hezonja, yet their planted on the SF spot most of the time... so his handle argument makes no sense, no offense.

[bargnanimvp]

Hezonja can't dribble a basketball at speed, all those other guys you mentioned can dribble a ball. Hezonja's handles are awful for a wing.

I dont think he has been awful at handling this year, then again i might have an eye issue since i dont see how he is any worse at that from the likes of ariza, carrol, ingram, MKG... he isnt lebron james though, in that i am certain .

Players like me and you mentioned have the same or even worse handle/ball protection level as hezonja, yet their planted on the SF spot most of the time... so his handle argument makes no sense, no offense.

In your opinion they have the same handle, in my opinion they are better than Mario is. Alot of people have issues with his handles too and that's the reason he's been playing power foward and that's why it was mentioned all through out his earlier years with us by people as a possibility. A good wing should be able to do more than just drive with his ball skills. In my opinion the reason why he's been less exposed in that area this year is because he's not playing that position, he has the ball in his hands less when pressured, his defenders are slower and not hampering him as much, most of his dribbling is just on the drive now not the open court or bringing the ball up or trying to break things down, for a power forward he's got a good handle.

[Patrick1978]

Yes

[axl_c_cool]

Who voted no...? of course we should

[prizm]

I dont think he has been awful at handling this year, then again i might have an eye issue since i dont see how he is any worse at that from the likes of ariza, carrol, ingram, MKG... he isnt lebron james though, in that i am certain .

Players like me and you mentioned have the same or even worse handle/ball protection level as hezonja, yet their planted on the SF spot most of the time... so his handle argument makes no sense, no offense.

In your opinion they have the same handle, in my opinion they are better than Mario is. Alot of people have issues with his handles too and that's the reason he's been playing power foward and that's why it was mentioned all through out his earlier years with us by people as a possibility. A good wing should be able to do more than just drive with his ball skills. In my opinion the reason why he's been less exposed in that area this year is because he's not playing that position, he has the ball in his hands less when pressured, his defenders are slower and not hampering him as much, most of his dribbling is just on the drive now not the open court or bringing the ball up or trying to break things down, for a power forward he's got a good handle.

How many are there in a lot of peope you speak of? Because if that's the case then from what I've seen a lot of people say for hezonja to fully develop properly he needs to be put in the SF spot... and I agree

Why are guys like mkg, Ariza, Wiggins, bojan, chandler etc etc are not hidden at the PF spot from the reasonings you mentioned because of their handles just like hezonja? It's because they don't have a coach who's very stubborn like Vogel and are actually put in the position that's best suited for them, which is SF...and to say the players myself and the other poster had mentioned have better handles is just too much...

Like you said we each have our own opinions so we will just leave it at that... we'll just end up going around in circles

[woosah]

We are.

that's why i lol.

Ohhhhhhh

I really didn't find any clarification on giving him the max we can give him next year, plus an extension. Meaning like 4.5m next year and like 40m for 3 years after. I don't see why we can't do this. The NBA just doesn't want us to circumvent the cap next season.

from the cba/business realgm cap dudes:

"Can this be done? " ....Are you talking about him being a free agent in 2018 and signing a contract that specifies all of the above? Or are you talking about a series of one-year contracts that he signs each summer?

here is the context if i am still not being clear https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1674422

Does he have to sign only a one year deal? IF he signs for multiple years with the team that declined the option what does that look like?

He can sign for multiple years, but the starting salary (2018-19) is maxed at the amount of his fourth year rookie scale team option. The Magic can then give him standard raises based off that start salary.

A couple of years ago, this was the case with Austin Rivers. The Clippers re-signed him to a 1+1 deal, starting with his declined rookie scale option amount, with a PO for the second year. Rivers opted out after the first year and then re-signed again to a much higher salary.