2018 Trade Ideas thread

[dontforget]

This is what I'm assuming:

1) LeBron stays with the Cavs. With a new young bench and the ability to flip the BKN pick for a all-star caliber player, I think LeBron signs on, at least for 1 yr if not full max. He's going to be in the Finals again and will have a punchers shot GSW/Hou.

2) Lakers will land PG in FA with the max. OKC hands are really tied in trying to significantly upgrade the roster and Westbrook/PG duo is looking at best a 2nd rd team in the West. Lakers offer him the ability to be the man with a young and talented core and cap space to add talent too. Also Lakers are a team proven to pay LUX without hesitation, OKC is not (see Harden trade).

3) Lakers use the Cavs pick to find a trade partner to eat Deng's salary into their cap space. As this deadline proved 1st rd picks are very valuable, even if its the 30th pick.

Using these 3 assumptions and the assumption Lakers renounce all cap holds and waive Tyler Ennis non-guaranteed the Lakers will have $81M in cap space. This is what I think they should do:

1) Sign Paul George to a 2yr 62M
2) Sign Jusuf Nurkic to a 4yr 64M
3) Sign Wayne Ellington, 1yr 10M or 2yr 22M (12M Team Option for yr 2)
4) Sign Marco Bellinelli, 1yr 3M
5) Re-sign Randle, 1yr 20M
6) Re-sign Caruso, 1yr 1M, T.Bryant 1yr 1.1M

These signings give a roster breakdown as below:
PG Ball 7.4M
SG Ingram 5.7M
SF PG 30.5M
PF Randle 20M
C Nurkic 16M
SG Ellington 10M
PF Kuzma 1.6M
SG Hart 1.6M
G/F Bellinelli 3M
PG Caruso 1M
C Zubac 1.5M
F/C Thomas Bryant 1.1M
Roster Charge 2x831K 1.6M
Total: 101M

In summary, like I said, I think Paul George is coming. His 2 year deal allows him to sign a 10 yr vet max in 2 years. My top 3 C options were Cousins, Nurkic, and Noel. With Cousin's Achilles injury I have to take him off the board. I have no idea what his market is. I don't want Deandre Jordan because while I love his fit, the only way you get him is if you give him a long term near max deal and I just can't do that for a 30 yr old C. Noel and Nurkic are 2 strong defensive C's but I just like Nurkic passing ability at the 5 and that will make him an ideal fit in Luke's system. Plus he's only 23 and has a strong understanding of the game. Portland is also in cap hell and I don't think they'll be able to keep him. Ellington and Bellinelli are targets I have to improve 3pt shooting on this team. Adding 3 pt range to Ball/Ingram/PG who will handle the ball will be excellent for floor spacing and movement. The team option for Ellington is get him to LA and give LA flexibility in 2019 if it doesn't work out. The big question in my roster speculation is what to do with Randle. He's not an ideal roster fit, but his production is too good to just assume you can replace. His market value is a big question. So the solution for me is to get him on a balloon 1 yr deal (similar to KCP or JJ Reddick). This way the Lakers can get a better feel on how Randle will work on a PG led roster and Randle will be able to get paid for at least 1 yr and be able to show teams how he can fit on a playoff type team and if successful paving him in for a huge payday in 2019. TFinally, these moves also allow the Lakers with flexibility to make a run at a 2019 top FA like Kawhi or Butler if they become available. So the Lakers can get the best of both worlds in going for it in 2018 and keeping an eye out for 2019.

Now, this is just my projection on how I see the league, and my values and fit, and it's wild speculation at its best. But that's how I would describe my prefect 2018 FA period.

[Vae Victus]

Dumping Deng with zero salary coming back is gonna cost the team at least 2 1st round picks, a coupla 2nds, and some cash. If the team is willing to take a smaller junk contract back (to stretch) the team can gain a few mil more cap and only need to trade a 1st/2nd and cash.

My cap clearing shenanigans has been posted ad nauseum but the general easiest gist would be this.

Deng + 1st + 2nd + Cash for Omer Asik (2.8m per year if stretched). Capulator is wrong cuz it cant calcuate Asik's ETO of 3 mil, thus (2 year ~14m would be the stretched amount)

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=4117812565a82156bf33fd764560313

My original Plan A was PG13/Boogie.

Plan B LBJ/Boogie

Plan C PG13/LBJ

Plan D PG13

In all scenarios try to resign Randle to a reasonable deal (2 year 18-22m, 2nd year player option), the Asik trade opened up a significant amount of cap, that lets the Lakers not need to renounce him and thus go into the RFA game. If some team goes full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and throws him a match offer sheet we say buh bye.

Preferred targets in all scenarios is Nerlens Noel, Jarret Jack. Jack is prolly getable with a 2-3mil deal, solid heady veteran backup good for 15-20 mins. Noel will be interesting as i dunno how to judge his open market value after his doghouse season in DAL. But basically he's the prototype C i want the Lakers to have patrolling the paint and capable of switching on PnR.

Other targets i like in all scenarios is Favors, Len, Nogeira (assuming no Randle), Speights for starting or bench bigs. Beasley, Casspi for bench Wings.

The goal is to get affordable contracts that are easy to dump or package if another disgruntled superstar shows up.

Dumping Deng is key and allows for maximum flexibility if we're on track for the 2 superstar plan. If its just PG13, we'll just keep Deng and see how the trade market unfolds.

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[Landsberger]

try to resign Randle to a reasonable deal (2 year 18-22m, 2nd year player option)

Why would Randle do this? He's arguably rising right now and he's in a position where if we get the guys we want he's not going to be guaranteed a starting slot. In a league where you can get injured at any moment limiting your earning potential I'm not sure he'd sign for a 2 year deal when he will most certainly get 4 and 5 year offers.

This benefits the Lakers a lot more than it does Randle. My guess, in listening to him and watching his actions, is that he wants to get PAID..... and that's not a 2 year deal with an option. I think it's 4 or 5 years at $15 to $18 million per for him.

[Dloading99]

I think Lebron is in Cleveland if he can get control of everything. and it seems like he is getting all of that Control. he doesn't like playing for the owner but maybe there is a plan for him to sale the team. I can see Lebron forcing them to draft Trae Young. like he did with Napear. and if he leaves he's going to Houston.

it's all good we don't need Lebron and he plays a lot of Locker room games. he's the best player in the league but I don't think he's coming here to win championships. and we just don't look like a team that can offer him that. he forces Cleveland to hire Mark Jackson in the off season klutch sports.

We are a in a win win. We sign Paul George resign Randle sign Isiah Thomas on a 1 year deal. and look at Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma in summer league.

[snaquille oatmeal]

ok you lost me at GS is not deep beyond the starters

Okay, here's another way to put it... their best bench player is 37.

The Mavericks of Dallas from the year 2011 wave hi at you

[TyCobb]

ok you lost me at GS is not deep beyond the starters

Okay, here's another way to put it... their best bench player is 37.

The Mavericks of Dallas from the year 2011 wave hi at you

$24 mill to Iguodala and Livingston say hi back.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Okay, here's another way to put it... their best bench player is 37.

The Mavericks of Dallas from the year 2011 wave hi at you

$24 mill to Iguodala and Livingston say hi back.

your changing of the game rules is also saying hi to me. I thought we were talking about age and not salary

[TyCobb]

The Mavericks of Dallas from the year 2011 wave hi at you

$24 mill to Iguodala and Livingston say hi back.

your changing of the game rules is also saying hi to me. I thought we were talking about age and not salary

I thought we were talking about next season and them being maxed out financially with damn near their entire current bench about to be FA? Hence the..."no depth beyond starter"...

[snaquille oatmeal]

$24 mill to Iguodala and Livingston say hi back.

your changing of the game rules is also saying hi to me. I thought we were talking about age and not salary

I thought we were talking about next season and them being maxed out financially with damn near their entire current bench about to be FA? Hence the..."no depth beyond starter"...

like I said you lost me at no depth so I didn't read the whole post lol

[TyCobb]

your changing of the game rules is also saying hi to me. I thought we were talking about age and not salary

I thought we were talking about next season and them being maxed out financially with damn near their entire current bench about to be FA? Hence the..."no depth beyond starter"...

like I said you lost me at no depth so I didn't read the whole post lol

And I'm talking about next season...

[stan francisco]

1) Durant is currently best two way player in the world, imo. We should do all we can to bring him in. We'd be total idiots not to go all out.

Yes, in June 2018 he'll be "tired of" back to back finals MVPs and rings with GSW, knows they'll be on a decline, will start looking at long term legacy and a retired jersey at Staples next to Kobe. Will he take a $5M a year cut to stay with GSW? We won't know until we offer him max. I'd pull all the stops to get him. Is $36M his max? If we can convince him, the rest is easy. Offer him a six year deal. I think GSW max out at $31M(?) for him.

2) If that doesn't work, get PG13 on a 1+1

3) When either 1) or 2) is done, sign Nurkic or Capela (who is a good fit in a different way)

4) Let KCP, IT, Lopez, Ennis, Frye go. Fill with ring chasing vets and suitable bench players. Brewer is good to stay if he takes a good deal.

5) Shed Deng's curse by trading his stretched (or not) contract and our first round pick packaged with Zubać.


Durant and Nurkic would be badass. Durant and Capela would be, too.

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: Ingram, Hart
SF: Durant, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

Badass. The defense. The length and footspeed and flexibility... And what pipe, I know. But I'd still present it to Durant's agent.

The Los Angeles Lakers would be his. He worships Kobe, views Ingram like a lil brother, digs Luke's scene...

Do it, Pelagic.


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Even with "only" PG13 added (instead of Durant), we're making the playoffs next season. Anything less than landing him will be a disappointment. This lineup is less pipe but pretty badass, too:

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: PG13, Hart
SF: Ingram, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

[Vae Victus]

try to resign Randle to a reasonable deal (2 year 18-22m, 2nd year player option)

Why would Randle do this? He's arguably rising right now and he's in a position where if we get the guys we want he's not going to be guaranteed a starting slot. In a league where you can get injured at any moment limiting your earning potential I'm not sure he'd sign for a 2 year deal when he will most certainly get 4 and 5 year offers.

This benefits the Lakers a lot more than it does Randle. My guess, in listening to him and watching his actions, is that he wants to get PAID..... and that's not a 2 year deal with an option. I think it's 4 or 5 years at $15 to $18 million per for him.

I'm a fully admitted Randle and Clarkson hater. I just think Randle's warts is severe enough to impact his market value. He's not big enough to be a good defensive rim protector, he's not skilled enough to play the 3, he lacks a 3pt shot to basically go Draymond-Lite on people to take advantage of his on ball skills.

He's a nice bench player who can fill in at the 4/5 as situations dictate IMHO. No contender can use a player like Randle with his weaknesses, nor have money cap space. Rebuilding squads i dont think would want to build around a team to work around Randle's weaknesses. Shot blocking, 3pt shooting, size, basically Randle needs a unicorn to play next to him to not let his shortcomings hurt a team.

If only he were 4 inches taller and 20 more pounds of muscle.

Edit: Only reason i'd be willing to resign him is that he's been with the Lakers for awhile and his familiarity of Luke's system will allow for better chemistry with the incoming pieces. Still personally if forced to choose on hwere to spend dwindling cap resources, i'd spend it on Nerlens Noel at simialr value.

[DNP-Old]

1) Durant is currently best two way player in the world, imo. We should do all we can to bring him in. We'd be total idiots not to go all out.

Yes, in June 2018 he'll be "tired of" back to back finals MVPs and rings with GSW, knows they'll be on a decline, will start looking at long term legacy and a retired jersey at Staples next to Kobe. Will he take a $5M a year cut to stay with GSW? We won't know until we offer him max. I'd pull all the stops to get him. Is $36M his max? If we can convince him, the rest is easy. Offer him a six year deal. I think GSW max out at $31M(?) for him.

2) If that doesn't work, get PG13 on a 1+1

3) When either 1) or 2) is done, sign Nurkic or Capela (who is a good fit in a different way)

4) Let KCP, IT, Lopez, Ennis, Frye go. Fill with ring chasing vets and suitable bench players. Brewer is good to stay if he takes a good deal.

5) Shed Deng's curse by trading his stretched (or not) contract and our first round pick packaged with Zubać.


Durant and Nurkic would be badass. Durant and Capela would be, too.

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: Ingram, Hart
SF: Durant, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

Badass. The defense. The length and footspeed and flexibility... And what pipe, I know. But I'd still present it to Durant's agent.

The Los Angeles Lakers would be his. He worships Kobe, views Ingram like a lil brother, digs Luke's scene...

Do it, Pelagic.


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Even with "only" PG13 added (instead of Durant), we're making the playoffs next season. Anything less than landing him will be a disappointment. This lineup is less pipe but pretty badass, too:

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: PG13, Hart
SF: Ingram, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

You might want to do a bit of research into the CBA. Teams can only offer FAs of other teams a maximum of four year deals...

[stan francisco]

1) Durant is currently best two way player in the world, imo. We should do all we can to bring him in. We'd be total idiots not to go all out.

Yes, in June 2018 he'll be "tired of" back to back finals MVPs and rings with GSW, knows they'll be on a decline, will start looking at long term legacy and a retired jersey at Staples next to Kobe. Will he take a $5M a year cut to stay with GSW? We won't know until we offer him max. I'd pull all the stops to get him. Is $36M his max? If we can convince him, the rest is easy. Offer him a six year deal. I think GSW max out at $31M(?) for him.

2) If that doesn't work, get PG13 on a 1+1

3) When either 1) or 2) is done, sign Nurkic or Capela (who is a good fit in a different way)

4) Let KCP, IT, Lopez, Ennis, Frye go. Fill with ring chasing vets and suitable bench players. Brewer is good to stay if he takes a good deal.

5) Shed Deng's curse by trading his stretched (or not) contract and our first round pick packaged with Zubać.


Durant and Nurkic would be badass. Durant and Capela would be, too.

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: Ingram, Hart
SF: Durant, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

Badass. The defense. The length and footspeed and flexibility... And what pipe, I know. But I'd still present it to Durant's agent.

The Los Angeles Lakers would be his. He worships Kobe, views Ingram like a lil brother, digs Luke's scene...

Do it, Pelagic.


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Even with "only" PG13 added (instead of Durant), we're making the playoffs next season. Anything less than landing him will be a disappointment. This lineup is less pipe but pretty badass, too:

PG: Ball, Caruso
SG: PG13, Hart
SF: Ingram, (3&D vet)
PF: Randle, Kuzma
C: Nurkic, Bryant

You might want to do a bit of research into the CBA. Teams can only offer FAs of other teams a maximum of four year deals...

Cool. Four years it is. All else good then?

[Landsberger]

try to resign Randle to a reasonable deal (2 year 18-22m, 2nd year player option)

Why would Randle do this? He's arguably rising right now and he's in a position where if we get the guys we want he's not going to be guaranteed a starting slot. In a league where you can get injured at any moment limiting your earning potential I'm not sure he'd sign for a 2 year deal when he will most certainly get 4 and 5 year offers.

This benefits the Lakers a lot more than it does Randle. My guess, in listening to him and watching his actions, is that he wants to get PAID..... and that's not a 2 year deal with an option. I think it's 4 or 5 years at $15 to $18 million per for him.

I'm a fully admitted Randle and Clarkson hater. I just think Randle's warts is severe enough to impact his market value. He's not big enough to be a good defensive rim protector, he's not skilled enough to play the 3, he lacks a 3pt shot to basically go Draymond-Lite on people to take advantage of his on ball skills.

He's a nice bench player who can fill in at the 4/5 as situations dictate IMHO. No contender can use a player like Randle with his weaknesses, nor have money cap space. Rebuilding squads i dont think would want to build around a team to work around Randle's weaknesses. Shot blocking, 3pt shooting, size, basically Randle needs a unicorn to play next to him to not let his shortcomings hurt a team.

If only he were 4 inches taller and 20 more pounds of muscle.

Edit: Only reason i'd be willing to resign him is that he's been with the Lakers for awhile and his familiarity of Luke's system will allow for better chemistry with the incoming pieces. Still personally if forced to choose on hwere to spend dwindling cap resources, i'd spend it on Nerlens Noel at simialr value.

This is a league where guys like Deng and Mozgov get signed for 4 and 5 year deals so I'm pretty sure at his age he gets a max term deal from someone. I can agree with some of Randle's shortcomings (defense is very overrated for one) however I do see him understanding HIS game and not trying to do things he can't (like shoot facing up). He's valuable but he's not a guy we sign until we get who we really want IMHO. If it's 2 forwards then with Ingram and Kuzma where does he fit? Does he want to fit there? I have a hard time thinking he wants to be a bench guy and it would seem a 4 or 5 year $15M deal for a bench PF is a bit much if we're trying to fill in around a 2 or 3 year window team. I like what he brings but at the price and the position available my guess is that we let someone make an offer and we sign/trade him(is that still legal?.... not sure).

[Vae Victus]

Mozgov and Deng signings were just about the stupidest signings ever and was seen literally a lightyear away as being albatross deals before the ink dryed. Using those stupid (Please Use More Appropriate Word) deals as a measuring stick is like using Billy King-Danny Ainge trade as a barometer. Pretty much those were the absolute 2 worst moves anyone could do and no one could realistically recreate it.

Anyone throwing 15+ mil at Randle is basically following the path of previous Laker stupidity. I pity any team dumb enough to handcuff their cap on Randle over 4 years for that amount of money.

Team needs a legit C for next season. We need a Noel/Capella type manning the middle sucking in boards, protecting the paint, and slamming lobs. 4 outside who can shoot with our big able to run like a gazelle and range all over hte court, is imho the best combination. Whether we sign PG13/LBJ or not.

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The Thomas Bryant part of this sounds to me like a "Life after Julius" sort of statement... Could be a negotiation tactic I guess, but it kind of sounds like they're still in the "Randle isn't a part of our future" mind-set...

Which is a little unfortunate if true, because the trade should have locked Randle in for the rest of the season, but if Pelinka and Magic are going to start jumping on the TB train, he's back to having to justify PT... Dude can't catch a break in LA.

[Michael Lucky]

I read that more as Pelinka over-hyping our players like usual.

[Slava]

Yeah he should have just said Thomas Bryant, he's going to wash out of the league in a year anyways.