1995 Hakeem Olajuwon vs 2004 Kevin Garnet

Jonny Blaze · Post #1 » by **Jonny Blaze** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm

Who had a more dominant season?

Jim Naismith · Post #2 » by **Jim Naismith** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:30 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:Who had a more dominant season?

RS: Garnett
PS: Hakeem

Overall: Hakeem

ronnymac2 · Post #3 » by **ronnymac2** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:32 pm

Equal. Both of them made their teammates better. They are two of the greatest players in NBA history.

Jonny Blaze · Post #4 » by **Jonny Blaze** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:33 pm

2004 Kevin Garnet:
Regular Season: 24.2 PPG 13.9 rebounds, 5 assists. 2.2 Blocks, 1.5 steals, 49% shooting
Post Season (18 games): 24.3 PPG 14.6 rebounds, 5.1 assists. 2.3 Blocks, 1.3 steals, 45% shooting
Regular Season: 58-24
Post Season 10-8
(Denver 4-1, Sacramento 4-3, Los Angeles 2-4)

1995 Hakeem Olajuwon:
Regular Season: 27.8 PPG 10.8 rebounds, 3.1 assists. 3.4 Blocks, 1.8 steals, 51% shooting
Post Season (22 games): 33 PPG 10.3 rebounds, 4.5 assists. 2.8 Blocks, 1.2 steals, 53% shooting
Regular Season 47-35
Post Season: 15-7
(Utah 3-2, Phoenix 4-3, San Antonio 4-2, Orlando 4-0)

mischievous · Post #5 » by **mischievous** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:48 pm

For me it’s Hakeem pretty comfortably. But i can tell this is a bait thread.

eminence · Post #6 » by **eminence** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:58 pm

Give me KG here, not super impressed with Hakeem's defense by this point.

dhsilv2 · Post #7 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am

Not a big fan of 95 dream, would be a better comparison if we were talking 93.

ItsThatEasy · Post #8 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:59 am

Can't go wrong either way tbh

Kool_Name_Right · Post #9 » by **Kool_Name_Right** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:59 am

Hakeem

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pandrade83 · Post #10 » by **pandrade83** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:07 am

Took KG. He acquitted himself pretty well in those playoffs - I don't blame him for the loss to LA and he had a clearly better RS.

70sFan · Post #11 » by **70sFan** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:10 am

One one hand, KG season is more complete and he was amazing in RS. It's not his fault that they lost to Lakers (Minny lost Cassell).

On the other hand, Hakeem in 1995 playoffs made things that are unbelievable by any standard. He was really unstoppable, you couldn't do anything to slow him down. That's the level KG never reached and this leads me to going on Dream favour. Still not sure though.

dhsilv2 · Post #12 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:45 am

70sFan wrote:One one hand, KG season is more complete and he was amazing in RS. It's not his fault that they lost to Lakers (Minny lost Cassell).

On the other hand, Hakeem in 1995 playoffs made things that are unbelievable by any standard. He was really unstoppable, you couldn't do anything to slow him down. That's the level KG never reached and this leads me to going on Dream favour. Still not sure though.

That 95 rockets team has some killer offensive fire power. Drexler, Horry, Smith, Elie, and Casel as the 6th man.

ardee · Post #13 » by **ardee** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:28 am

I mean this is clearly Hakeem. That 1995 run was one of the best in history.

ardee · Post #14 » by **ardee** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:00 am

pandrade83 wrote:Took KG. He acquitted himself pretty well in those playoffs - I don't blame him for the loss to LA and he had a clearly better RS.

51% TS, 100 ORtg.... He definitely couldn't have played any better, yeah.

pandrade83 · Post #15 » by **pandrade83** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:19 pm

ardee wrote:
pandrade83 wrote:Took KG. He acquitted himself pretty well in those playoffs - I don't blame him for the loss to LA and he had a clearly better RS.

51% TS, 100 ORtg.... He definitely couldn't have played any better, yeah.

Context matters. Cassell got hurt in that series and played all of Game 1, 1 minute of Game 2 & 6 minutes combined in Games 3 & 4. He was limited to being a pure spot up shooter in Game 3; his limitations contributed to the Wolves having their worst game of the series.

Here's your starting lineups for the 3 games where Cassell didn't start - keep in mind that in Game 2 where he did start, he played 1 minute.

Shaq-Malone-George-Kobe-GP (I'm aware that these are post-prime versions of Malone & GP, but I'd rather have the post-prime versions of those guys than anyone listed for KG's squad)
Olokwandi-KG-Hassell-Sprewell-Martin

In no-win situations like that where you don't really have credible offensive threats around you, I kind of assume that the offensive efficiency metrics are going to drop precipitously. So then I look at:

-Did you contribute in other ways - i.e. - did your other metrics stay strong besides the shooting %'s dropping?
-Did your team credibly compete in the no-win situation?

The answer to the above questions is a clear yes (for me at least). Not to bash on TD but the point differential per 100 in this series was closer than what happened to the Spurs despite the crappy circumstances.

So when I look at what happened overall, I don't see this series as a blemish on his resume; I think he acquitted himself in a no-win situation.

70sFan · Post #16 » by **70sFan** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:26 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
70sFan wrote:One one hand, KG season is more complete and he was amazing in RS. It's not his fault that they lost to Lakers (Minny lost Cassell).

On the other hand, Hakeem in 1995 playoffs made things that are unbelievable by any standard. He was really unstoppable, you couldn't do anything to slow him down. That's the level KG never reached and this leads me to going on Dream favour. Still not sure though.

That 95 rockets team has some killer offensive fire power. Drexler, Horry, Smith, Elie, and Casel as the 6th man.

I know but it doesn't change the fact that Hakeem played out of mind. He was by far the best player in his team and in the whole playoffs. Just because he had good supporting cast doesn't change anything.

Jiminy Glick · Post #17 » by **Jiminy Glick** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:32 pm

Garnett is a more defensively and offensively versatile player due to his style and athleticism. No doubt he is the more valuable player. Garnett and Kareem is better than Duncan and Hakeem.

Styrian · Post #18 » by **Styrian** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:37 pm

Garnett. Regular season difference was so massive that it makes 20 games of postseason almost irrelevant.

dhsilv2 · Post #19 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:50 pm

70sFan wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
70sFan wrote:One one hand, KG season is more complete and he was amazing in RS. It's not his fault that they lost to Lakers (Minny lost Cassell).

On the other hand, Hakeem in 1995 playoffs made things that are unbelievable by any standard. He was really unstoppable, you couldn't do anything to slow him down. That's the level KG never reached and this leads me to going on Dream favour. Still not sure though.

That 95 rockets team has some killer offensive fire power. Drexler, Horry, Smith, Elie, and Casel as the 6th man.

I know but it doesn't change the fact that Hakeem played out of mind. He was by far the best player in his team and in the whole playoffs. Just because he had good supporting cast doesn't change anything.

Having great teammates certainly makes one look better in the playoffs. They were 2-3 misses or other team makes from being eliminated in the first round. Does Hakeem have the same mystic today if he'd lost in the first round to the Jazz? They were legit 1 worse player as a starter and that likely happens.

70sFan · Post #20 » by **70sFan** » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:13 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
70sFan wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
That 95 rockets team has some killer offensive fire power. Drexler, Horry, Smith, Elie, and Casel as the 6th man.

I know but it doesn't change the fact that Hakeem played out of mind. He was by far the best player in his team and in the whole playoffs. Just because he had good supporting cast doesn't change anything.

Having great teammates certainly makes one look better in the playoffs. They were 2-3 misses or other team makes from being eliminated in the first round. Does Hakeem have the same mystic today if he'd lost in the first round to the Jazz? They were legit 1 worse player as a starter and that likely happens.

Who cares? By that logic most of the championship teams had close series which they would lost with a few misses more. This logic doesn't make sense.

Besides, yoy say about series in which Hakeem averaged over 35 ppg on 60% TS? If Olajuwon played bad, you can make this case. But he played on GOAT level. Garnett never played as good in PS and he was younger than Hakeem when he played for the Celtics (with better supporting cast). Hakeem played great regadless of the help. Even in first round losses he played great. Why should I assume that KG could do the same with good help when he never did that?

1995 Hakeem vs 2004 Kevin Garnet