The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

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It's funny how the more efficient player is considered a chucker by the fans of the less efficient player...

Mitchell is relied to drag this Jazz offense to wins, because he's the only shot creator on this team. And his efficiency on that USG as a rookie is nothing short of miraculous.

So if Gobert was still injured and Ingles not hitting shots.

Would Utah still be winning?

No chance...

I mean it's not like it's a team game... You mean if we took out the 2 best players other than Mitchell out of the team would the team be winning? Probably not. Would Philly be winning if you took out Embiid and Covington? Probably not...

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Noone is doing anything alone. Every player needs good teammates.

[phifans]

It's funny how the more efficient player is considered a chucker by the fans of the less efficient player...

Mitchell is relied to drag this Jazz offense to wins, because he's the only shot creator on this team. And his efficiency on that USG as a rookie is nothing short of miraculous.

So if Gobert was still injured and Ingles not hitting shots.

Would Utah still be winning?

No chance...

I mean it's not like it's a team game... You mean if we took out the 2 best players other than Mitchell out of the team would the team be winning? Probably not. Would Philly be winning if you took out Embiid and Covington? Probably not...

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Noone is doing anything alone. Every player needs good teammates.

No one could lead their team to win with 9/28. No one if only his teammates steps up and not let the game slips away too early until you finally have the chance to hit those two last shots.

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No one could lead their team to win with 9/28. No one if only his teammates steps up and not let the game slips away too early until you finally have the chance to hit those two last shots.

Of course. But is this the norm for Mitchell? Is he shooting 30% for the season? Or is he at 55% TS% at close to 30% USG? Or should we go search for every player's worst shooting games and hold them as example of how inefficient they are?

[phifans]

No one could lead their team to win with 9/28. No one if only his teammates steps up and not let the game slips away too early until you finally have the chance to hit those two last shots.

Of course. But is this the norm for Mitchell? Is he shooting 30% for the season? Or is he at 55% TS% at close to 30% USG? Or should we go search for every player's worst shooting games and hold them as example of how inefficient they are?

Well Im just referring to his last game not his overall performance of the season though.

[CoreyGallagher]

I mean it's not like it's a team game... You mean if we took out the 2 best players other than Mitchell out of the team would the team be winning? Probably not. Would Philly be winning if you took out Embiid and Covington? Probably not...

Noone is doing anything alone. Every player needs good teammates.

Conversely, it’s what you’d expect for both without the other as well.

Embiid with Simmons: +13.9
Embiid without Simmons: +2.9
+11.0 NetRtg

Gobert with Mitchell: +4.4
Gobert’s without Mitchell: -1.2
+5.6 NetRtg

[LordCovington33]

I mean it's not like it's a team game... You mean if we took out the 2 best players other than Mitchell out of the team would the team be winning? Probably not. Would Philly be winning if you took out Embiid and Covington? Probably not...

Noone is doing anything alone. Every player needs good teammates.

Conversely, it’s what you’d expect for both without the other as well.

Embiid with Simmons: +13.9
Embiid without Simmons: +2.9
+11.0 NetRtg

Gobert with Mitchell: +4.4
Gobert’s without Mitchell: -1.2
+5.6 NetRtg

I find it hard to believe that Bailey did not know this already. If he didn't, he is a terrible analyst. If he did, then he failed to mention it because it does not fit his narrative. Either way, he is a chump.

[AGE1207]

Right now, I'd be inclined to give it to Mitchell but only because he was picked at 13 and Simmons at 1. Not exactly fair I know but it seems to me Simmons has lived up to the expectations whilst Mitchell has performed beyond expectations.

Besides, money time starts now. Things may get clearer after the ASG.

[theo42]

Right now, I'd be inclined to give it to Mitchell but only because he was picked at 13 and Simmons at 1. Not exactly fair I know but it seems to me Simmons has lived up to the expectations whilst Mitchell has performed beyond expectations.

Besides, money time starts now. Things may get clearer after the ASG.

anything less than a co ROTY is a travesty if Simmons doesn't win it.

Simmons is doing things so rare that I can't even compare him to anyone. 4 steals and 3 blocks last night from the PG. No one even mentions it.

[loveandbeer]

I need to see more from Mitchell to be sure that he’s a future star. His numbers are basically like rookie OJ Mayo’s right now (similar situation where they have the green light to shoot).

[Hedda Gambler]

I need to see more from Mitchell to be sure that he’s a future star. His numbers are basically like rookie OJ Mayo’s right now (similar situation where they have the green light to shoot).

Except for the fact the Mayo played 6 minutes more per game.

[cksdayoff]

ben simmons is already an elite defender, he can guard four positions effectively.

[PLO]

I'm a bit sick of the urination contest between Mitchell and Simmons stans. Both are beasts and both are worthy of ROTY. Yes, both also have holes in their games but for rookies they are both sensational.

[karkinos]

simmons' race to lose but we see you, donovan

[Bum Adebayo]

This is your annual discussion between biased fans of the 2-3 players with more chances to win ROTY.
Between Simmons and Mitchell, they are close enough to where it depends how they play in remaining games.

[dautjazz]

So if Gobert was still injured and Ingles not hitting shots.

Would Utah still be winning?

No chance...

I mean it's not like it's a team game... You mean if we took out the 2 best players other than Mitchell out of the team would the team be winning? Probably not. Would Philly be winning if you took out Embiid and Covington? Probably not...

Read on Twitter

Noone is doing anything alone. Every player needs good teammates.

No one could lead their team to win with 9/28. No one if only his teammates steps up and not let the game slips away too early until you finally have the chance to hit those two last shots.

Don't get me wrong, Embiid is a freaking beast, so I completely agree that Embiid/Simmons is better than Gobert/Mitchell. That doesn't take anything away from Gobert who is playing very well himself, just not quite to Embiid's level. Simmons and Mitchell are close, I'm not really giving either an edge at the moment.

Now the bench for Jazz might be top 5, and remember that Favors plays most of the replacement minutes for Gobert, who does this for the Sixers? Hood was the replacement to Mitchell most of the season. So the second set of data really just speaks for the Jazz having more depth.

[dautjazz]

simmons' race to lose but we see you, donovan

He can have it, like Donovan, I prefer the 5th seed too.

[dautjazz]

I'm a bit sick of the urination contest between Mitchell and Simmons stans. Both are beasts and both are worthy of ROTY. Yes, both also have holes in their games but for rookies they are both sensational.

Yup, I'm all fine with fans posting statlines and videos, but pissing on the other to make yours look better is childish.

[jazzfan1971]

Im still in Simmon's camp. But if the wanted to do Co-ROY that would be fine by me.

[PLO]

I'm a bit sick of the urination contest between Mitchell and Simmons stans. Both are beasts and both are worthy of ROTY. Yes, both also have holes in their games but for rookies they are both sensational.

Yup, I'm all fine with fans posting statlines and videos, but pissing on the other to make yours look better is childish.

TBH I'm over 76er fans running down Mitchell to try and somehow boost Simmons - I can understand your own fans sticking up for your player, and Simmons doesn't need it either. I guess the reason its going on is our fans are somehow threatened by Mitchell which is a big compliment to him and his season. Comparisons are fine but at least be fair on both sides.

[dautjazz]

Must watch for those talking about Mitchell's inefficiency. This is what he did in the clutch last night:

https://streamable.com/lbtdn