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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#361 » by SOUL » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:22 pm

tiderulz wrote:no one forces you on here. You dont have to root for this team if it bothers you this much


Posts like this are unnecessary. A lot of fans including myself are not happy with the direction of the franchise just losing young players year after year, and a lot of people who like all sorts of players on this team feel the same way Starwipe does, even if they don't like Elfrid. Let's try to relax on comments like this just because people are not happy with the moves made.

As long as people aren't straight up trolling and explaining why things/players/coaches/etc are bothering them, discussion and debate is welcomed.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#362 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:28 pm

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tiderulz wrote:no one forces you on here. You dont have to root for this team if it bothers you this much


Posts like this are unnecessary. A lot of fans including myself are not happy with the direction of the franchise just losing young players year after year, and a lot of people who like all sorts of players on this team feel the same way Starwipe does, even if they don't like Elfrid. Let's try to relax on comments like this just because people are not happy with the moves made.

As long as people aren't straight up trolling and explaining why things/players/coaches/etc are bothering them, discussion and debate is welcomed.

why come on here because your favorite player got traded and just rip the organization and say the same thing over and over? again, if the team bothers people that much, go somewhere else. purge the hate they have for the organization and pour it into another team, the Suns for example if it bothers someone that much. I was as much an Elf fan as anyone. I was posting about taking Elf before the draft. But i dont come on here every single day and just post how bad the team is, the FO is, the coach is. I make a comment here and there, but not the same thing 5 times a day like we see from certain people (like some pistons fans that post on here).

I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career


and the above isnt discussion and debate
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#363 » by SOUL » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:34 pm

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tiderulz wrote:no one forces you on here. You dont have to root for this team if it bothers you this much


Posts like this are unnecessary. A lot of fans including myself are not happy with the direction of the franchise just losing young players year after year, and a lot of people who like all sorts of players on this team feel the same way Starwipe does, even if they don't like Elfrid. Let's try to relax on comments like this just because people are not happy with the moves made.

As long as people aren't straight up trolling and explaining why things/players/coaches/etc are bothering them, discussion and debate is welcomed.

why come on here because your favorite player got traded and just rip the organization and say the same thing over and over? again, if the team bothers people that much, go somewhere else. purge the hate they have for the organization and pour it into another team, the Suns for example if it bothers someone that much. I was as much an Elf fan as anyone. I was posting about taking Elf before the draft. But i dont come on here every single day and just post how bad the team is, the FO is, the coach is. I make a comment here and there, but not the same thing 5 times a day like we see from certain people (like some pistons fans that post on here).

I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career


and the above isnt discussion and debate


A lot of things happening this season is the "last straw" for the past 4-5 years of just dysfunction and general cluelessness from the management. And many people's breaking points were in the first losing season. I can't recall how many posters just stopped posting here once we started losing. Some left a few years into it, and now a lot of us really have zero excitement toward the team. Starwipe still watches the games and comments in GTs because he loves the team, even if he is really down on a lot of aspects of what we're doing.

I get you don't want to read the same sort of comments, but we all repeat ourselves in one way or another with certain talking points. It'll cool down once we get some actual excitement with the draft coming up and the season coming to a close.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#364 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:40 pm

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sunsbum wrote:Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.


Phoenix are in a much better position than our sorry ass franchise. These guys are just trying to justify giving away a talented and improving 23 year old PG for nothing. Giving away young talent for nothing... something we are becoming known for around the league.

We're a terrible developmental team and pretty much everybody here acknowledges it. But somehow that doesn't apply when talking about Elfrid's career here because he was a starter and was handed the "keys". Which is actually complete BS as a handful of us have been trying to tell you all for years that none of our players have been put into a position to succeed. The culture and environment here has been terrible from top to bottom. I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career :lol:


no one forces you on here. You dont have to root for this team if it bothers you this much


So thats how it works. Thanks for telling me.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#365 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:50 pm

For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#366 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm

When nothing really positive happends for almost 6 years you can't have much positive comments. That's why people, me included are hyped about Hezonja and Birch. At least somebody that shows something. I was harsh on Gordon, mostly because of contract situation but he is another bright spot of this season where nothing else positive happend.

We didn't have rookie to watch for two years now, one traded ,other missed 3 of 4 months of basketball
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#367 » by Audi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:58 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.


You have that right. This organization hasn't really done anything to warrant otherwise. As evidenced by the wall of freaking 23 yo developing players gifted to other teams for gift cards to Cheesecake Factory.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#368 » by Audi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 pm

pepe1991 wrote:When nothing really positive happends for almost 6 years you can't have much positive comments. That's why people, me included are hyped about Hezonja and Birch. At least somebody that shows something. I was harsh on Gordon, mostly because of contract situation but he is another bright spot of this season where nothing else positive happend.

We didn't have rookie to watch for two years now, one traded ,other missed 3 of 4 months of basketball


This is a good point - things could be a little sunnier here if we at least had Isaac on the floor. We've definitely been missing that ability to watch our prized rookie.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#369 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:04 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


i didnt tell you how to post. I didnt tell you not to post. I just said that if it bothers you this much, you can go root for another team, since it really seems to bother you.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#370 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:05 pm

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tiderulz wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Posts like this are unnecessary. A lot of fans including myself are not happy with the direction of the franchise just losing young players year after year, and a lot of people who like all sorts of players on this team feel the same way Starwipe does, even if they don't like Elfrid. Let's try to relax on comments like this just because people are not happy with the moves made.

As long as people aren't straight up trolling and explaining why things/players/coaches/etc are bothering them, discussion and debate is welcomed.

why come on here because your favorite player got traded and just rip the organization and say the same thing over and over? again, if the team bothers people that much, go somewhere else. purge the hate they have for the organization and pour it into another team, the Suns for example if it bothers someone that much. I was as much an Elf fan as anyone. I was posting about taking Elf before the draft. But i dont come on here every single day and just post how bad the team is, the FO is, the coach is. I make a comment here and there, but not the same thing 5 times a day like we see from certain people (like some pistons fans that post on here).

I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career


and the above isnt discussion and debate


A lot of things happening this season is the "last straw" for the past 4-5 years of just dysfunction and general cluelessness from the management. And many people's breaking points were in the first losing season. I can't recall how many posters just stopped posting here once we started losing. Some left a few years into it, and now a lot of us really have zero excitement toward the team. Starwipe still watches the games and comments in GTs because he loves the team, even if he is really down on a lot of aspects of what we're doing.

I get you don't want to read the same sort of comments, but we all repeat ourselves in one way or another with certain talking points. It'll cool down once we get some actual excitement with the draft coming up and the season coming to a close.


and maybe, just maybe, some people have stopped posting here because of all the negativity on this board. Not saying a lot of it isnt warranted, but after awhile you get it, know it and are tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#371 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:09 pm

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MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


i didnt tell you how to post. I didnt tell you not to post. I just said that if it bothers you this much, you can go root for another team, since it really seems to bother you.

Once again thank you for telling me what my options are, but I am already aware. I do wonder why it doesn't bother you.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#372 » by SOUL » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:15 pm

tiderulz wrote:and maybe, just maybe, some people have stopped posting here because of all the negativity on this board. Not saying a lot of it isnt warranted, but after awhile you get it, know it and are tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.


I'd say the negativity is just beginning to become widespread. As a whole, I think fans have given the franchise a long enough leash before being too negative. I mean there were always arguments and debates about how the team should be ran, but now there's just straight up apathy. I frequent a lot of boards on here, and quite a few of them are pretty down on their franchise/owners/coaches even as a winning squad. We, as a fanbase, have been kinda lenient and forgiving when it's going good.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#373 » by NBlue » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:00 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


I'm with you 1000%. To me essentially the only good thing ownership has done is keep the team in Orlando. Aside from that we are pretty much rotten from stem to stern. I'm not going to stop watching magic games and rooting for us but it is painful to watch. Calling out ownership and management for incompetence doesn't make one less of a fan imo -- probably more of one.

Also, to me you have to go back one more year. The writing was on the wall with how ownership handled SVG. They enabled D12 to walk all over the organization rather than playing it smart. Their actions completely cut SVGs legs out from under him and essentially neutered him as a coach even before he was fired. It was the actions of an immature ownership that lacks sophistication and professionalism. That is, sadly, what we continue to have here except we haven't won the lottery in a while...
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#374 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:01 pm

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MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


i didnt tell you how to post. I didnt tell you not to post. I just said that if it bothers you this much, you can go root for another team, since it really seems to bother you.

Once again thank you for telling me what my options are, but I am already aware. I do wonder why it doesn't bother you.

it does bother me. something seems wrong in the development strategy of our young players. But I cant bring myself to harp on the same thing time after time. I used to think, what does it matter, no one on here who reads these things can really do anything, but we now know that isnt true, after the post about the closed door meeting last year (I forget who posted it) and the statements made from Hennigan (Pooper Mario i think) and it having to be quickly taken down. But its like complaining about Alex Martins. I get it, i do believe he interferes, but there is nothing I can do about it, so complaining about him on every thread (not that I am saying you do that) accomplishes nothing.

I also was on the Vogel fan club. I saw what he did with Hibbert, Solomon Hill, George Hill to some extent, Myles Turner his rookie year, and thought he would do well here. I knew the offense wouldnt be cutting edge but i thought our defense would be a lot better than it is now. And his handling of Mario, Birch, Iwundu, his rotations, etc, have been pretty bad. His handling of Mario I do believe played a part in the FO not taking the 4th year option on Mario. They didnt have much exposure with Mario and probably took Vogel at his word that Mario wasnt cutting it.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#375 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:02 pm

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MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


I'm with you 1000%. To me essentially the only good thing ownership has done is keep the team in Orlando. Aside from that we are pretty much rotten from stem to stern. I'm not going to stop watching magic games and rooting for us but it is painful to watch. Calling out ownership and management for incompetence doesn't make one less of a fan imo -- probably more of one.

Also, to me you have to go back one more year. The writing was on the wall with how ownership handled SVG. They enabled D12 to walk all over the organization rather than playing it smart. Their actions completely cut SVGs legs out from under him and essentially neutered him as a coach even before he was fired. It was the actions of an immature ownership that lacks sophistication and professionalism. That is, sadly, what we continue to have here except we haven't won the lottery in a while...


While i agree mostly, SVG played his own (small) part in that saga. Just because you are shared some info from a GM or front office person, you dont immediately go right to the media and publicize it.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#376 » by NBlue » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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MagicStarwipe wrote:For the record I've been ripping the team for a while now, because they deserve it. I don't have much faith in this organisation anymore after the last 6 years. But not ALL of my posts are ripping the team. I've been giving Birch plenty of love. He's one of the lone bright spots in a very dark time. And I don't even post that often so I don't see how you could be TOO sick of me. And in my opinion, being that I have sat through every single summer league, pre season and regular season game of this rebuild... I've earned the right to rip into the team from time to time if I feel like it.

I get ticked off with the way plenty of posters here go about posting too. But I don't tell them how to post, how to be a fan or to go away and stop following the team.


I'm with you 1000%. To me essentially the only good thing ownership has done is keep the team in Orlando. Aside from that we are pretty much rotten from stem to stern. I'm not going to stop watching magic games and rooting for us but it is painful to watch. Calling out ownership and management for incompetence doesn't make one less of a fan imo -- probably more of one.

Also, to me you have to go back one more year. The writing was on the wall with how ownership handled SVG. They enabled D12 to walk all over the organization rather than playing it smart. Their actions completely cut SVGs legs out from under him and essentially neutered him as a coach even before he was fired. It was the actions of an immature ownership that lacks sophistication and professionalism. That is, sadly, what we continue to have here except we haven't won the lottery in a while...


While i agree mostly, SVG played his own (small) part in that saga. Just because you are shared some info from a GM or front office person, you dont immediately go right to the media and publicize it.


You are referring to the D12 press conference? SVG was a dead man walking at that moment. The deed had been done long ago. Dude was walking around with a knife sticking out of his back. The issue was ownership's actions well before that. The locker room had become a completely dysfunctional environment well before that and I think SVG was just trying something desperate to buoy a sinking ship. It didn't work. Regardless of his motivations in that presser -- its the actions that led to it that are the issue. Whether SVG came out with what happened or he didn't -- it wouldn't really matter in the end, the deed was done.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#377 » by Audi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:45 pm

Hoops Hype caught up with Elf about the trade - here's some snippits. Bold/Italics are emphasis mine.
http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/14/elfrid-payton-on-being-traded-from-magic-to-suns-phoenixs-young-core-and-his-interest-in-re-signing/


When you saw that you were traded for a second-round pick, what was your reaction? Did you feel disrespected at all?

EP: I mean… A little bit. I think a lot of other people were more upset about it than I was, though. Others took it to heart more than I did, but that’s just because of the type of person I am. I’m pretty nonchalant and I don’t really get worked up, so it wasn’t really that big of a deal to me. I’ve always felt underrated and felt like I have to prove myself. I’m the kind of player who feels like you have to prove yourself every single night – no matter what you’ve done or who you are – because in this league everyone is thinking, “What have you done for me lately?” So it wasn’t too big of a deal to me.

(Long pause) It was kind of crazy, though. I’ve seen a lot of people say that it was a steal for Phoenix and stuff like that; I guess time will tell. I heard they were offered a lot more than a second-round pick [from other teams], but they just didn’t decide to do one of those other trades… I don’t know all of the details, but I know they had offers from a team in the East and a different West Coast team other than Phoenix.


WTF? Man, I hope we can somehow find out what these other offers were. Could be very telling of the type of guys we handed the keys over to.


Interesting. So how much did you know or hear as everything was unfolding that afternoon?


EP: Honestly, I wasn’t super involved. My agents were the ones who were hearing different things and they were trying to keep me updated throughout the day. About 30 to 45 minutes before the trade actually went down, my agent told me, “It seems like the talks are over and it looks like you’ll be staying in Orlando, at least until the end of the season.” They had heard from John [Hammond] or Jeff [Weltman] – I don’t know which one exactly, I’m not sure. But they were basically saying the talks were done and a trade was unlikely. Then, maybe seven or eight minutes before the deadline, the deal happened.


Kinda makes it seem like it was a panic move and something done just to make a move happen.

What was your initial reaction when you found out you were traded? That has to be tough, especially when you’re told that you probably aren’t getting dealt and then it happens anyway.

EP: Yeah, it was tough. I was just like, “Dang, this is crazy.” I was definitely a little bit shocked. But then when they told me I was going to Phoenix, I started getting excited about the opportunity.


You were close with a lot of your teammates in Orlando. How did other Magic players react when they heard about the trade?

EP: Man, a lot of guys were upset. The timing of this wasn’t the best, for a lot of reasons. A lot of the guys let me know that they were disappointed, but they were very encouraging. I think every single player on the team texted or called me to offer me encouragement or say that it was a pleasure playing with me, so that meant a lot. They were torn because they were upset about the trade, but happy for me because they knew that this was a good opportunity for my career. I also got texts and calls from a lot of people who worked within the organization, like members of the training staff and other employees. They wanted to wish me well too. I really appreciated all of the support.


Would be interested to know what all they are - other than it being midway through the season, ofc.

In your first two games with the Suns, you’ve averaged 24 points, 7 assists and 7 rebounds while shooting 61.3 percent from the field and 50 percent from three. Did you want to send a message that the Magic made the wrong move by trading you, or are those numbers just a result of you fitting better with Phoenix’s system and players?

EP: I think it’s a combination of those things (laughs). I’ve always tried to play with a chip on my shoulder and this trade just added a little more fuel to my fire. But a lot of it does have to do with this system, my new teammates and the fact that the coaches are putting the ball in my hands and asking me to make something happen.


A little jab at Vogel?

You’re only 23 years old. Sometimes a change of scenery and some patience is all a player needs to break out. I mean, we’re seeing that with your friend and former teammate Victor Oladipo in Indiana. How much room for improvement do you still have and what is your ceiling?

EP: I feel like I still have a very high ceiling. Obviously, my shooting has gotten better this year, but I still feel like I can become a way better shooter. And there are still so many different things that I’m learning about the game and so many areas where I know I can improve. For example, I’m finding little tricks to get to the free-throw line more and get my team in the bonus. I’m also working hard to improve on the defensive end. I feel like my ceiling is still pretty high and I have a lot of room for growth.
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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#378 » by woosah » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:57 pm

Audi wrote:Hoops Hype caught up with Elf about the trade - here's some snippits. Bold/Italics are emphasis mine.
http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/14/elfrid-payton-on-being-traded-from-magic-to-suns-phoenixs-young-core-and-his-interest-in-re-signing/

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EP: Man, a lot of guys were upset. The timing of this wasn’t the best, for a lot of reasons. A lot of the guys let me know that they were disappointed, but they were very encouraging. I think every single player on the team texted or called me to offer me encouragement or say that it was a pleasure playing with me, so that meant a lot. They were torn because they were upset about the trade, but happy for me because they knew that this was a good opportunity for my career. I also got texts and calls from a lot of people who worked within the organization, like members of the training staff and other employees. They wanted to wish me well too. I really appreciated all of the support.


That puts to rest the people who were saying, "oh the chemistry seems to be better since Elf is gone." The local radio personalities were suggesting there may have been locker room problems involving Elfrid.

Also he has come a looooonng way in interviews. Remember that first presser with AG and Marble? The short answers. The blank stare afterward. :lol:
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Re: RE: Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#379 » by cedric76 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:00 pm

Audi wrote:Hoops Hype caught up with Elf about the trade - here's some snippits. Bold/Italics are emphasis mine.
http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/14/elfrid-payton-on-being-traded-from-magic-to-suns-phoenixs-young-core-and-his-interest-in-re-signing/


When you saw that you were traded for a second-round pick, what was your reaction? Did you feel disrespected at all?

EP: I mean… A little bit. I think a lot of other people were more upset about it than I was, though. Others took it to heart more than I did, but that’s just because of the type of person I am. I’m pretty nonchalant and I don’t really get worked up, so it wasn’t really that big of a deal to me. I’ve always felt underrated and felt like I have to prove myself. I’m the kind of player who feels like you have to prove yourself every single night – no matter what you’ve done or who you are – because in this league everyone is thinking, “What have you done for me lately?” So it wasn’t too big of a deal to me.

(Long pause) It was kind of crazy, though. I’ve seen a lot of people say that it was a steal for Phoenix and stuff like that; I guess time will tell. I heard they were offered a lot more than a second-round pick [from other teams], but they just didn’t decide to do one of those other trades… I don’t know all of the details, but I know they had offers from a team in the East and a different West Coast team other than Phoenix.


WTF? Man, I hope we can somehow find out what these other offers were. Could be very telling of the type of guys we handed the keys over to.


Interesting. So how much did you know or hear as everything was unfolding that afternoon?


EP: Honestly, I wasn’t super involved. My agents were the ones who were hearing different things and they were trying to keep me updated throughout the day. About 30 to 45 minutes before the trade actually went down, my agent told me, “It seems like the talks are over and it looks like you’ll be staying in Orlando, at least until the end of the season.” They had heard from John [Hammond] or Jeff [Weltman] – I don’t know which one exactly, I’m not sure. But they were basically saying the talks were done and a trade was unlikely. Then, maybe seven or eight minutes before the deadline, the deal happened.


Kinda makes it seem like it was a panic move and something done just to make a move happen.

What was your initial reaction when you found out you were traded? That has to be tough, especially when you’re told that you probably aren’t getting dealt and then it happens anyway.

EP: Yeah, it was tough. I was just like, “Dang, this is crazy.” I was definitely a little bit shocked. But then when they told me I was going to Phoenix, I started getting excited about the opportunity.


You were close with a lot of your teammates in Orlando. How did other Magic players react when they heard about the trade?

EP: Man, a lot of guys were upset. The timing of this wasn’t the best, for a lot of reasons. A lot of the guys let me know that they were disappointed, but they were very encouraging. I think every single player on the team texted or called me to offer me encouragement or say that it was a pleasure playing with me, so that meant a lot. They were torn because they were upset about the trade, but happy for me because they knew that this was a good opportunity for my career. I also got texts and calls from a lot of people who worked within the organization, like members of the training staff and other employees. They wanted to wish me well too. I really appreciated all of the support.


Would be interested to know what all they are - other than it being midway through the season, ofc.

In your first two games with the Suns, you’ve averaged 24 points, 7 assists and 7 rebounds while shooting 61.3 percent from the field and 50 percent from three. Did you want to send a message that the Magic made the wrong move by trading you, or are those numbers just a result of you fitting better with Phoenix’s system and players?

EP: I think it’s a combination of those things (laughs). I’ve always tried to play with a chip on my shoulder and this trade just added a little more fuel to my fire. But a lot of it does have to do with this system, my new teammates and the fact that the coaches are putting the ball in my hands and asking me to make something happen.


A little jab at Vogel?

You’re only 23 years old. Sometimes a change of scenery and some patience is all a player needs to break out. I mean, we’re seeing that with your friend and former teammate Victor Oladipo in Indiana. How much room for improvement do you still have and what is your ceiling?

EP: I feel like I still have a very high ceiling. Obviously, my shooting has gotten better this year, but I still feel like I can become a way better shooter. And there are still so many different things that I’m learning about the game and so many areas where I know I can improve. For example, I’m finding little tricks to get to the free-throw line more and get my team in the bonus. I’m also working hard to improve on the defensive end. I feel like my ceiling is still pretty high and I have a lot of room for growth.

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Re: Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder 

Post#380 » by Audi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:16 pm

woosah wrote:
Audi wrote:Hoops Hype caught up with Elf about the trade - here's some snippits. Bold/Italics are emphasis mine.
http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/14/elfrid-payton-on-being-traded-from-magic-to-suns-phoenixs-young-core-and-his-interest-in-re-signing/

...
EP: Man, a lot of guys were upset. The timing of this wasn’t the best, for a lot of reasons. A lot of the guys let me know that they were disappointed, but they were very encouraging. I think every single player on the team texted or called me to offer me encouragement or say that it was a pleasure playing with me, so that meant a lot. They were torn because they were upset about the trade, but happy for me because they knew that this was a good opportunity for my career. I also got texts and calls from a lot of people who worked within the organization, like members of the training staff and other employees. They wanted to wish me well too. I really appreciated all of the support.


That puts to rest the people who were saying, "oh the chemistry seems to be better since Elf is gone." The local radio personalities were suggesting there may have been locker room problems involving Elfrid.

Also he has come a looooonng way in interviews. Remember that first presser with AG and Marble? The short answers. The blank stare afterward. :lol:


Lol, didn't Elf also win all of the DeVos community awards too? Yea - horrible human being and major locker room cancer right there :crazy:
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