Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[cammac]

The Special election in PA18 should be a runaway for the Republican candidate Saccone in a district won by Trump by over 20 points and the candidate crows he was Trump before Trump. PA currently is one of the most gerrymandered States in the Union and the seat is 92% white. But both Pence and Trump have visited the area and Trump will visit again before election day. The results will be interesting with a much more dynamic Democratic candidate in Lamb.

Obviously in the midterms PA18 borders will change because of new districts that will be drawn by the PA supreme court. But this is now a indicator of the Trump popularity or lack off!
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/373730-dems-vie-to-win-back-blue-collar-voters-in-pivotal-pa-race

My bet is on Lamb 51% to Saccone 49%.

[Pointgod]

Yeah, if he was going to be a cop or something. But he's in an office job. Again, do we really want to set a standard where a guy who has been alleged to have been involved in spousal abuse (admittedly alleged with good evidence) can't be permitted to hold down a job 15 years later?

Nate,

here's what i think. The top of the FBI has a major hard on for Trump right now.

1. They are pissed that he "released the memo" that made many of them look bad.
2. Think about Rod Rosenstein walking into the intel committe and threatening to "release their emails" on all of them.
3. Think about Wray coming out publicly and claiming "sources and methods" would be compromised.
4. When sources and methods were not compromised at all. Everyone already knew about the Fisa and how dirty it was. I wrote about last march on realgm for christ's sake. Worst kept secret in the FBI.
5. Think about Comey's Tweet.
6. Wray released a statement just today expressing "grave concerns" over the R memo to say nothing of the D memo.


1. So the FBI must have leaked this whole thing with Porter as retaliation. Remember, its the FBI that performs the background investigations for security clearances. So its the FBI that held this "dirt" on Trump administration. They purposefully leaked it to make trump look bad.

Then after Trump pretended to not know about it. Wray came out today said that the White house had been previously briefed. And even contradicted the White House's timeline. I mean. Come on, man. Wray is acting in bad faith as a political appointee because he knows Trump can not fire him because Mueller will consider "obstruction."

Talk about tangles the phuck up. The FBI was out to sink him from day one. he let them hang around long enough to launch a phony collusion investigation against him and now have him tripping over obstruction charges at every door he opens. Meanwhile they are deliberately leaking info like this dirt from the previous "Porter" security clearance investigation.

talk about a rock and a hard place. and D's are ready to impeach. All they need is about 25 seats in the house and 7 in the senate. I say 7 because Mccain, Flake, and Corker will happily caucus with D's to impeach and they can likely strum up 2-3 more R's to impeach.

Basically its the 4th quarter. Game 7. He is Lebron. Down 65 to to the GSW to start the 4th quarter. Thats how tight he is being squeezed from all sides right now.

I think he can get through it.

1. He cant lose the House in 2018. His best friends are the house intel committee. House judiciary committee. House oversight committee.
2. His most powerful allies are Nunes, Jim Jordan. and Trey Gowdy. He should promise to nominate 1 of them to FBI director (nunes). Another to AG (Gowdy). And another deputy director or depuity AG (jordan). Dangle that carrot out in front for them in year 2019 for each of them.
3. Obviously they would need to navigate him through all of these trap doors.

But how about Wray? Purposefully contradicting the White house? If the FBI had completed their investigation, if that's true? then why not just deny the security clearance for Porter??

Read on Twitter

One thing is clear and been clear. This FBI is out to sink trump. Even Wray. Wray is a political appointee. Weird that he would be so brazenly defiant. Which means they are all in with either route of "death of a thousand cuts" or worse, "show me the guy and I will show you the crime..." leading to eventual impeachment.

I dont even need to mention main stream media. This road will be tough. Land mines everywhere. Wray, Rosenstein, perhaps Mueller, and lower level FBI are going to leak away and dare trump to fire someone. Just so trump can get walk into another trap. They just dont want this man to Govern.

I will be fine with his presidency if he can do immigration reform and entitlement reform in 2018. Combined with Tax reform and the infrastructure bill that spends money here in the USA instead of on foreign wars, i feel like we covered a lot of ground. even if he is impeached in 2019, I think he would have made his mark. It will be the best 2 years in office for fiscal policy in over 50 years. By far. especially he is gets the wall fully appropriated. Still some work to do but if thats all we get i will be happy enough.

The cherry on top will be if Trump can last at least 4 years and get a stronger AG (like Guiliani) STAT, along with a better FBI director to go after all the Obama deep state hold overs for their 2016 election scandals. Then win re-election in 2020 resign off into the sunset and let professional politicians finish the job--just so CNN will STFU!!! My Gawd, remeber when CNN would cover Obama's kids regularly and fondly. The presidential puppies. At this point, i'm good with Mike Pence (the devil). Anything to shut these phuckers up!!

How do you see this playing thing out?

The alternate and real reality is the Trump Administration is so Micky Mouse that they keep screwing up on a almost daily basis and try to blame others than take responsibility.

His lame brain rantings are even stupider than that. Considering that Wray was a Trump appointee there's no way to blame the deep state. SD20 thinks the Justice department's job is to lie for Trump not do their actual jobs.

[nate33]

Cmon Nate. You’re conveniently overlooking the revenue side of the ledger.

From the Congressional Budget Office:

[nate33]

Nate,

here's what i think. The top of the FBI has a major hard on for Trump right now.

1. They are pissed that he "released the memo" that made many of them look bad.
2. Think about Rod Rosenstein walking into the intel committe and threatening to "release their emails" on all of them.
3. Think about Wray coming out publicly and claiming "sources and methods" would be compromised.
4. When sources and methods were not compromised at all. Everyone already knew about the Fisa and how dirty it was. I wrote about last march on realgm for christ's sake. Worst kept secret in the FBI.
5. Think about Comey's Tweet.
6. Wray released a statement just today expressing "grave concerns" over the R memo to say nothing of the D memo.


1. So the FBI must have leaked this whole thing with Porter as retaliation. Remember, its the FBI that performs the background investigations for security clearances. So its the FBI that held this "dirt" on Trump administration. They purposefully leaked it to make trump look bad.

Then after Trump pretended to not know about it. Wray came out today said that the White house had been previously briefed. And even contradicted the White House's timeline. I mean. Come on, man. Wray is acting in bad faith as a political appointee because he knows Trump can not fire him because Mueller will consider "obstruction."

Talk about tangles the phuck up. The FBI was out to sink him from day one. he let them hang around long enough to launch a phony collusion investigation against him and now have him tripping over obstruction charges at every door he opens. Meanwhile they are deliberately leaking info like this dirt from the previous "Porter" security clearance investigation.

talk about a rock and a hard place. and D's are ready to impeach. All they need is about 25 seats in the house and 7 in the senate. I say 7 because Mccain, Flake, and Corker will happily caucus with D's to impeach and they can likely strum up 2-3 more R's to impeach.

Basically its the 4th quarter. Game 7. He is Lebron. Down 65 to to the GSW to start the 4th quarter. Thats how tight he is being squeezed from all sides right now.

I think he can get through it.

1. He cant lose the House in 2018. His best friends are the house intel committee. House judiciary committee. House oversight committee.
2. His most powerful allies are Nunes, Jim Jordan. and Trey Gowdy. He should promise to nominate 1 of them to FBI director (nunes). Another to AG (Gowdy). And another deputy director or depuity AG (jordan). Dangle that carrot out in front for them in year 2019 for each of them.
3. Obviously they would need to navigate him through all of these trap doors.

But how about Wray? Purposefully contradicting the White house? If the FBI had completed their investigation, if that's true? then why not just deny the security clearance for Porter??

Read on Twitter

One thing is clear and been clear. This FBI is out to sink trump. Even Wray. Wray is a political appointee. Weird that he would be so brazenly defiant. Which means they are all in with either route of "death of a thousand cuts" or worse, "show me the guy and I will show you the crime..." leading to eventual impeachment.

I dont even need to mention main stream media. This road will be tough. Land mines everywhere. Wray, Rosenstein, perhaps Mueller, and lower level FBI are going to leak away and dare trump to fire someone. Just so trump can get walk into another trap. They just dont want this man to Govern.

I will be fine with his presidency if he can do immigration reform and entitlement reform in 2018. Combined with Tax reform and the infrastructure bill that spends money here in the USA instead of on foreign wars, i feel like we covered a lot of ground. even if he is impeached in 2019, I think he would have made his mark. It will be the best 2 years in office for fiscal policy in over 50 years. By far. especially he is gets the wall fully appropriated. Still some work to do but if thats all we get i will be happy enough.

The cherry on top will be if Trump can last at least 4 years and get a stronger AG (like Guiliani) STAT, along with a better FBI director to go after all the Obama deep state hold overs for their 2016 election scandals. Then win re-election in 2020 resign off into the sunset and let professional politicians finish the job--just so CNN will STFU!!! My Gawd, remeber when CNN would cover Obama's kids regularly and fondly. The presidential puppies. At this point, i'm good with Mike Pence (the devil). Anything to shut these phuckers up!!

How do you see this playing thing out?

I'm not quite there yet. I think Rosenstein is compromised and definitely has to go, as did Comey. I'm not convinced about Wray yet.

I'm also fully confident that Trump will get through this. Once the IG report comes out, there's going to be so much evidence of malfeasance within the FBI that Trump will be able to clean house without concern about impeachment. Public opinion is already swinging Trump's way. A February 6th Reuters poll says that 73% of the public believes "members of the FBI and Department of Justice are working to delegitimize Trump through politically motivated investigations.”

The Democrats will never be able to impeach Trump over this, and if they try, it'll only hurt them in the polls.

[cammac]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-directors-shock-claim-chinese-students-are-a-potential-threat?ref=home
I agree with some of the concerns the FBI has.
My stepdaughter had a part time job in university with the Confucius Institute which is mostly financed by the Chinese Government. She told me of Chinese students being paid to counter demonstrate against Falun Gong or in support of some Chinese measures. That said a certain segment of Chinese students could be involved in various Chinese government spying no different than cells of Russians planted in USA & Western Countries. The Xi government is much more fundamentally communist than the previous leadership and Xi himself is a Maoist Prince-ling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Institute

[Ruzious]

I mean real news is happening. Some of it very good. Excellent in fact. Much better in 2017 an din 2018 than any other year of the obama regime.

From 2009-2014 i bought over 250 homes. Every one of them was either short sale or foreclosure. In 2015 i bought 4. In 2016, 3. and in 2017 i cant touch anything. Prices have sky-rocketted. I'm not going to get into a long winded post about the economy and the real estate market to justify this sentence so I'm going to just say it. The economy sucked balls under Obama. and is red-phucking-hot under trump.

from 09-14 i bought many homes from people that lived in their homes for over 12 years. Just 2-3 years prior to 2008 they had on average $150-200K equity. when i bought the houses, the home owners were $150-200k negative equity or upside down...and in foreclosure, foreclosed, or in short sale.

The housing crisis happened because Congress cut banking regulations - and lending institutions allowed loans that made no sense and were not affordable to the buyers - who frankly were also to blame - If someone's buying a house they can't afford, they should choose a more affordable house. When Congress originally enacted regulations to increase banking restrictions there was a reason for doing so. This rampant disregard to those reasons is similar to what Trump is pushing now in his effort to cut regulations in all facets of government.

[Ruzious]

Ray Lewis won Superbowl MVP a year after being convicted of obstruction of justice in a murder trial. He was a first ballot HOFer as soon as he was eligible. The guy is a hero in Baltimore.

He asked about Ray Rice not Ray Lewis. Funny how you deflected though.

Not deflecting. Pointing out another example.

The Ray Rice example is not analogous because it was recent. If Porter beat his wife last month, I would expect him to be fired.

You're saying he should have no consequences because it was 15 years ago and it hasn't been proven that he committed other physically violent acts since then - even though he was a grown man at the time he beat up his wife. When you're going a lot farther than KellyAnn Conway to rationalize a defense for a Trump guy, you have an issue you should consider.

[nate33]

He asked about Ray Rice not Ray Lewis. Funny how you deflected though.

Not deflecting. Pointing out another example.

The Ray Rice example is not analogous because it was recent. If Porter beat his wife last month, I would expect him to be fired.

You're saying he should have no consequences because it was 15 years ago and it hasn't been proven that he committed other physically violent acts since then - even though he was a grown man at the time he beat up his wife. When you're going a lot farther than KellyAnn Conway to rationalize a defense for a Trump guy, you have an issue you should consider.

"Proven that he committed other physically violent acts since then" is a WILD exaggeration. He once, allegedly, pulled his wife out of the shower. And that was like 7 years ago. There is no evidence that this guy is running around beating women up and is somehow a menace to society.

And again, I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm not saying a wise women should date him. I'm saying the man has a right to work.

[Ruzious]

Not deflecting. Pointing out another example.

The Ray Rice example is not analogous because it was recent. If Porter beat his wife last month, I would expect him to be fired.

You're saying he should have no consequences because it was 15 years ago and it hasn't been proven that he committed other physically violent acts since then - even though he was a grown man at the time he beat up his wife. When you're going a lot farther than KellyAnn Conway to rationalize a defense for a Trump guy, you have an issue you should consider.

"Proven that he committed other physically violent acts since then" is a WILD exaggeration. He once, allegedly, pulled his wife out of the shower. And that was like 7 years ago. There is no evidence that this guy is running around beating women up and is somehow a menace to society.

And again, I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm not saying a wise women should date him. I'm saying the man has a right to work.

You didn't read my post correctly.

[nate33]

Republicans now leading Democrats by 1% in the generic congressional ballot.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-polling-democrats-republicans-407315

[cammac]

Republicans now leading Democrats by 1% in the generic congressional ballot.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-polling-democrats-republicans-407315

While factual correct it is incorrect.
Ipso Poll Feb. 3 to 7 Republican 37% Democratic 42% Difference 5%
Ipso Poll Feb. 8 to 12 Republican 35% Democratic 43% Difference 8%
Marist College Feb. 5 to 7 Republican 38% Democratic 49% Difference 11%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Both are considered A type polls
Plus in Florida the Republican Party suffered another loss in a State Special Election.

[closg00]

Read on Twitter

Yeah-right, he paid out of his own pocket. Let's play can you imagine if Obama did it

[TGW]

Read on Twitter

Yeah-right, he paid out of his own pocket. Let's play can you imagine if Obama did it

This is just proof that the evangelical right are a bunch of hypocrites. People like whats her name in Minnesota talk about how Trump is a "man of God" and that now that he's accepted God in his life as President, everything he's done beforehand doesn't count. As a person who is deeply religious, those people truly disgust me with their hypocrisy.

[gtn130]

I'm not quite there yet. I think Rosenstein is compromised and definitely has to go, as did Comey. I'm not convinced about Wray yet.

I'm also fully confident that Trump will get through this. Once the IG report comes out, there's going to be so much evidence of malfeasance within the FBI that Trump will be able to clean house without concern about impeachment. Public opinion is already swinging Trump's way. A February 6th Reuters poll says that 73% of the public believes "members of the FBI and Department of Justice are working to delegitimize Trump through politically motivated investigations.”

The Democrats will never be able to impeach Trump over this, and if they try, it'll only hurt them in the polls.

Funny how all these Trump appointees become COMPROMISED so quickly. You'd think a stable genius such as Trump could manage to avoid appointing democrats by mistake.

[gtn130]

Republicans now leading Democrats by 1% in the generic congressional ballot.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-polling-democrats-republicans-407315

Oh, here we have Nate cherry-picking a single random poll that supports his narrative. Literally anyone with a brain understands that aggregate polling is the only way to look at anything, but meticulous propagandist Nate "Goebbels" 33 was mysteriously unaware.

Guys, Nate isn't arguing in good faith. He's trying to misleading people.

[gtn130]

But let's get back to how beating your wife 15 years ago is fine, especially at the young age of 27. It's merely an office job, guys

[gtn130]

This is just proof that the evangelical right are a bunch of hypocrites. People like whats her name in Minnesota talk about how Trump is a "man of God" and that now that he's accepted God in his life as President, everything he's done beforehand doesn't count. As a person who is deeply religious, those people truly disgust me with their hypocrisy.

Additionally, beating your wife is fine if it happened 15+ years ago and you were 27 years old or younger.

[gtn130]

Which party railed against spending for the last decade? What does the Freedom Caucus claim to be about?

[closg00]

Watch on YouTube

Devastating, Trump is allowing the Russians to interfere in our elections. #Dossierrightontrump

[closg00]

Read on Twitter

Yeah-right, he paid out of his own pocket. Let's play can you imagine if Obama did it

This is just proof that the evangelical right are a bunch of hypocrites. People like whats her name in Minnesota talk about how Trump is a "man of God" and that now that he's accepted God in his life as President, everything he's done beforehand doesn't count. As a person who is deeply religious, those people truly disgust me with their hypocrisy.

BTW, this sleaze ball Cohen, is mentioned 15 times in the Steele Dossier, he does all of Donald's dirty work, he holds all of the secrets.