Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[SOUL]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Just funny seeing somebody so pressed about Payton if you don't like him. Some people just go out of the way to piss in people's Cheerios, I guess.

[MagicStarwipe]

This thread has been very interesting to say the least lol. I will say this, Elf gets a lot more free reign with Phoenix than I've ever seen him with the Magic. Jay Triano already seems to trust him with running the offense and attacking when necessary.

So you're saying... we DIDN'T hand him the keys?

[KillMonger]

Why is this thread still up? What's done is done is it not?

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[SOUL]

Why is this thread still up? What's done is done is it not?

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Since when have we ever locked threads about Dwight or Oladipo or Tobias or whoever it is that we've lost?

[prizm]

Payton sucks. Get over it.

Lol the classic incredulous Cormier

[npiper17]

The proof in the Elfrid pudding so-to-speak will be the contract he gets in the offseason.

Personally I had no issue moving on from him as I don’t see him being a top 10 starting pg with the way the league is right now / will be in the future.

However I think he has value potentially as a backup and would have been happy paying around $5-6m for around a 3 year deal. I suspect Elf will want and potentially get more than that so I wish him luck.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

This thread has been very interesting to say the least lol. I will say this, Elf gets a lot more free reign with Phoenix than I've ever seen him with the Magic. Jay Triano already seems to trust him with running the offense and attacking when necessary.

I mean if it's Ullis or EP I'd rather give it to EP that's common sense. Suns PG rotation was G League level before this trade and now its at least NBA level. Nothing he's done so far is any different to what he's done here in Orlando. We saw plenty of triple doubles with other nights of inconsistent effort..

[drsd]

Kennedy: When you saw that you were traded for a second-round pick, what was your reaction? Did you feel disrespected at all?

Payton: I mean… A little bit. I think a lot of other people were more upset about it than I was, though. Others took it to heart more than I did, but that’s just because of the type of person I am. I’m pretty nonchalant and I don’t really get worked up, so it wasn’t really that big of a deal to me. I’ve always felt underrated and felt like I have to prove myself. I’m the kind of player who feels like you have to prove yourself every single night – no matter what you’ve done or who you are – because in this league everyone is thinking, “What have you done for me lately?” So it wasn’t too big of a deal to me.

(Long pause) It was kind of crazy, though. I’ve seen a lot of people say that it was a steal for Phoenix and stuff like that; I guess time will tell. I heard they were offered a lot more than a second-round pick [from other teams], but they just didn’t decide to do one of those other trades… I don’t know all of the details, but I know they had offers from a team in the East and a different West Coast team other than Phoenix.

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Perhaps now there’s one less lottery team (in Phoenix) interested in drafting Trae Young this summer? Only time will tell.

This latter point is interesting. Orlando could have been setting-a-screen so to say in trading Payton to the Suns. After all, trading Payton to the Knicks is more directly damaging to the Magic.


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[NBlue]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

[Audi]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

Not to mention he was a locker room cancer.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

Over 3 games, lets slow the roll and see how he does the rest of the way. Also helps he's getting 35 minutes as they have no NBA capable backup.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

Not to mention he was a locker room cancer.

where did this crap come from.. I mean people are grasping for straws huh?

[PennytoShaq]

I hope Payton kills it in PHO, but I don't think the team will win long term with him unless Jackson becomes a knock down shooter.

I am not surprised that Payton is putting up numbers. He usually does. I watched 3 Suns games already and they are fun. What they do different is run with young guys in a smaller lineup. The Magic are always trying to run with either slow bigs or vets that don't play that style. Besides that, I do not see a huge change in how much control Payton has of the offense. He has a lot of control just like before. The difference is that he is on a new team and he has to deliver every single night in this honeymoon phase.

Payton is a very nice player, but the things he is bad at are the worst things to be bad at. Isiah Thomas, a better shooter and worse defender was booted from Cleveland super fast for having poor defense. Elf's not that bad, but he will have to step it up big time on that side of the floor night after night, and then start really killing it from 3 for Phoenix to have gotten a steal.

As for Phoenix taking Young early to screw us. LOL, I hope they do. That means a guy like MPj or JJj will be there.The Magic can take the BPA and move on. I personally think Phoenix takes a big man who can shoot the 3 ball. I don't see Bender as a starting C. If they had Bagley, Ayton or even Bamba, they would have a really nice frontcourt.

I personally do not think the Magic dumped Payton just to draft Young. I believe they have many options to pursue, and are not locked into one.

[Audi]

Payton is a very nice player, but the things he is bad at are the worst things to be bad at. Isiah Thomas, a better shooter and worse defender was booted from Cleveland super fast for having poor defense. Elf's not that bad, but he will have to step it up big time on that side of the floor night after night, and then start really killing it from 3 for Phoenix to have gotten a steal.

IT was traded for more than just bad defense though - he couldn't even get his offense going.

I think we need to just accept that PHX definitely got a steal here. Even if Elf only improves by the small but steady increments that he displayed playing for us...that at 23 yo in exchange for a second round pick is an absolute steal by all measures. We can try to paint it as a necessity to clear future money, but we still bent over and gave him away regardless...no getting around it.

[PennytoShaq]

Payton is a very nice player, but the things he is bad at are the worst things to be bad at. Isiah Thomas, a better shooter and worse defender was booted from Cleveland super fast for having poor defense. Elf's not that bad, but he will have to step it up big time on that side of the floor night after night, and then start really killing it from 3 for Phoenix to have gotten a steal.

IT was traded for more than just bad defense though - he couldn't even get his offense going.

I think we need to just accept that PHX definitely got a steal here. Even if Elf only improves by the small but steady increments that he displayed playing for us...that at 23 yo in exchange for a second round pick is an absolute steal by all measures. We can try to paint it as a necessity to clear future money, but we still bent over and gave him away regardless...no getting around it.

Uhh, not really. He did not have much value in the league, and now Phoenix will need to resign him. It was basically a salary dump.It's even apparent from his own quotes. He said that the Magic got offered some players for him and passed for the picks - salary dump.

No one needs to accept anything after 4 games in Phoenix unless they want to be hot take artists. We have a 3+ year sample size that told us Payton was not the future at PG. You want to invest 10+mill a year to find that out again? Hard pass for me, and apparently the Magic brass as well.

[pepe1991]

Payton is a very nice player, but the things he is bad at are the worst things to be bad at. Isiah Thomas, a better shooter and worse defender was booted from Cleveland super fast for having poor defense. Elf's not that bad, but he will have to step it up big time on that side of the floor night after night, and then start really killing it from 3 for Phoenix to have gotten a steal.

IT was traded for more than just bad defense though - he couldn't even get his offense going.

I think we need to just accept that PHX definitely got a steal here. Even if Elf only improves by the small but steady increments that he displayed playing for us...that at 23 yo in exchange for a second round pick is an absolute steal by all measures. We can try to paint it as a necessity to clear future money, but we still bent over and gave him away regardless...no getting around it.

It's too early to tell. Suns could draft Young or Doncic and simply let Payton go in offseason. In that scenario they drafted second round pick for nothing.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Payton is a very nice player, but the things he is bad at are the worst things to be bad at. Isiah Thomas, a better shooter and worse defender was booted from Cleveland super fast for having poor defense. Elf's not that bad, but he will have to step it up big time on that side of the floor night after night, and then start really killing it from 3 for Phoenix to have gotten a steal.

IT was traded for more than just bad defense though - he couldn't even get his offense going.

I think we need to just accept that PHX definitely got a steal here. Even if Elf only improves by the small but steady increments that he displayed playing for us...that at 23 yo in exchange for a second round pick is an absolute steal by all measures. We can try to paint it as a necessity to clear future money, but we still bent over and gave him away regardless...no getting around it.

Uhh, not really. He did not have much value in the league, and now Phoenix will need to resign him. It was basically a salary dump.It's even apparent from his own quotes. He said that the Magic got offered some players for him and passed for the picks - salary dump.

No one needs to accept anything after 4 games in Phoenix unless they want to be hot take artists. We have a 3+ year sample size that told us Payton was not the future at PG. You want to invest 10+mill a year to find that out again? Hard pass for me, and apparently the Magic brass as well.

would love to know what players he's talking about... that comment was total PR 101 mention just enough to have people wonder while upping your value as a RFA.

[Skin]

Kennedy: When you saw that you were traded for a second-round pick, what was your reaction? Did you feel disrespected at all?

Payton: I mean… A little bit. I think a lot of other people were more upset about it than I was, though. Others took it to heart more than I did, but that’s just because of the type of person I am. I’m pretty nonchalant and I don’t really get worked up, so it wasn’t really that big of a deal to me. I’ve always felt underrated and felt like I have to prove myself. I’m the kind of player who feels like you have to prove yourself every single night – no matter what you’ve done or who you are – because in this league everyone is thinking, “What have you done for me lately?” So it wasn’t too big of a deal to me.

(Long pause) It was kind of crazy, though. I’ve seen a lot of people say that it was a steal for Phoenix and stuff like that; I guess time will tell. I heard they were offered a lot more than a second-round pick [from other teams], but they just didn’t decide to do one of those other trades… I don’t know all of the details, but I know they had offers from a team in the East and a different West Coast team other than Phoenix.

LINK

Perhaps now there’s one less lottery team (in Phoenix) interested in drafting Trae Young this summer? Only time will tell.

This latter point is interesting. Orlando could have been setting-a-screen so to say in trading Payton to the Suns. After all, trading Payton to the Knicks is more directly damaging to the Magic.


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Great read. Obviously the Magic could've gotten more. We sent him to PHX so that we could get Trae Young and I'm thrilled about it. Trojan Horse action.

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

[Audi]

Great read. Obviously the Magic could've gotten more. We sent him to PHX so that we could get Trae Young and I'm thrilled about it. Trojan Horse action.

Man that Trojan horse can backfire so freaking easily though, especially if we pile on more W's. Philly had no need for a PG when they picked Elf in the draft. Depending on where we land, I think there are plenty of teams that could pick ahead of us that would look to A. Potentially exploit us ala Philly or B. Take a chance on Young if we were to call their bluff and draft someone else.

The true master plan/trojan horse would be to tank hard, pick high, and grab someone another team wants and turned THAT shiz into Young (or whoever we really want) + more. Instead I just see us barely losing games with more W's in the future once the injury bug moves on.

[Audi]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Lol, if this forum has major attachment issues it is highly justified by the organization's recent history, including shipping off a 23 yo who is now an All-Star at 25 yo.