Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[NBlue]

Post all the cute gifs and excuses you want, it’s not making Payton any better than he actually is.

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

Over 3 games, lets slow the roll and see how he does the rest of the way. Also helps he's getting 35 minutes as they have no NBA capable backup.

The sample size argument is fair. The 35 minutes argument is pretty ignorant. He's killing it in TS%, PER and really every advanced offensive measure. Its only been a few games and I'm sure he'll come back to earth to some extent but he has been efficient and effective in his time.

[drsd]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that?

INDEED!

His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Payton has been unguarded. Players are laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession, and going under every screen. Yes this means that he gets great stats, but it allows the opponent defense to completely shut down the other four players. That's called strategy.
(edit: for example, if Curry was guarded this way, he'd be shooting 60%+ with the three ball)

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Excellent point. So far with the Suns he is averaging 20.3 - 8.8 - 8.3 with a TS% of .645 and a 22.6 PER.

Thank god we got rid of that anchor around our necks.

Over 3 games, lets slow the roll and see how he does the rest of the way. Also helps he's getting 35 minutes as they have no NBA capable backup.

The sample size argument is fair. The 35 minutes argument is pretty ignorant. He's killing it in TS%, PER and really every advanced offensive measure. Its only been a few games and I'm sure he'll come back to earth to some extent but he has been efficient and effective in his time.

wasn't an ignorant comment, sorry it came off that way. Should've included my next 2 points... He's getting all the run he can because they have no options therefore he's probably seeing a slight uptick in usage. With that said it doesn't surprise me with a slight uptick in usage he's still keeping his efficiency high as he is not one to force shots..

[Skin]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Lol, if this forum has major attachment issues it is highly justified by the organization's recent history, including shipping off a 23 yo who is now an All-Star at 25 yo.

I get that one, but everyone who goes or gets traded or even gets talked about as getting traded is loved... Mo Harkless, Kyle O'Quinn, Andrew Nicholson, Tobias Harris, Dewayne Dedmon, Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier, Mario Hezonja, Nikola Vucevic...

We can't trade or talk about trades because WE LOVE OUR PLAYERZZZZZZZ and we love them more after they are gone!

[NBlue]

Kennedy: When you saw that you were traded for a second-round pick, what was your reaction? Did you feel disrespected at all?

Payton: I mean… A little bit. I think a lot of other people were more upset about it than I was, though. Others took it to heart more than I did, but that’s just because of the type of person I am. I’m pretty nonchalant and I don’t really get worked up, so it wasn’t really that big of a deal to me. I’ve always felt underrated and felt like I have to prove myself. I’m the kind of player who feels like you have to prove yourself every single night – no matter what you’ve done or who you are – because in this league everyone is thinking, “What have you done for me lately?” So it wasn’t too big of a deal to me.

(Long pause) It was kind of crazy, though. I’ve seen a lot of people say that it was a steal for Phoenix and stuff like that; I guess time will tell. I heard they were offered a lot more than a second-round pick [from other teams], but they just didn’t decide to do one of those other trades… I don’t know all of the details, but I know they had offers from a team in the East and a different West Coast team other than Phoenix.

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Perhaps now there’s one less lottery team (in Phoenix) interested in drafting Trae Young this summer? Only time will tell.

This latter point is interesting. Orlando could have been setting-a-screen so to say in trading Payton to the Suns. After all, trading Payton to the Knicks is more directly damaging to the Magic.


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Great read. Obviously the Magic could've gotten more. We sent him to PHX so that we could get Trae Young and I'm thrilled about it. Trojan Horse action.

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

His stats are good because he has played damn well. What's fair to say is that its only been 3 games. What its rather absurd to say is that other teams are letting EP go free or that he is stat stuffing. Dude is getting 8+ assists per game while scoring 20+ and has a TS% of .645 -- teams aren't just going to give that to you.

The Suns have been losing because they are young. That's what young teams do in the NBA do. However, generally, those players get older and better. That's when we tend to let the players go. If it were just EP that we did this with then I think it would be one thing. However, when it has been emblematic of the organizations repeated actions over the last several years (See Tobias, Dipo, Mario and now EP) you tend to see a pattern.

[NBlue]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Lol, if this forum has major attachment issues it is highly justified by the organization's recent history, including shipping off a 23 yo who is now an All-Star at 25 yo.

I get that one, but everyone who goes or gets traded or even gets talked about as getting traded is loved... Mo Harkless, Kyle O'Quinn, Andrew Nicholson, Tobias Harris, Dewayne Dedmon, Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier, Mario Hezonja, Nikola Vucevic...

We can't trade or talk about trades because WE LOVE OUR PLAYERZZZZZZZ and we love them more after they are gone!

Strawman argument.

Are you suggesting that the decision that the decision to move on from Dedmon and instead sign Biz was a good one?

Are you suggesting that the decision to trade Tobias was a good one?

Are you suggesting that the failure to extend Mario was a good decision?

All three of those seem like pretty significant and terrible decisions. Its too early to tell on EP yet and you've already conceded that the decision to trade Dipo was terrible.

So that's at least 4 significant really bad player personnel decisions by our organization. I do like some of the players and would have liked for them to stay but, more than that, I'd like for our organization to stop being incredibly dumb. But keep on waving your pom-poms.

[Skin]

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This latter point is interesting. Orlando could have been setting-a-screen so to say in trading Payton to the Suns. After all, trading Payton to the Knicks is more directly damaging to the Magic.


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Great read. Obviously the Magic could've gotten more. We sent him to PHX so that we could get Trae Young and I'm thrilled about it. Trojan Horse action.

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

His stats are good because he has played damn well. What's fair to say is that its only been 3 games. What its rather absurd to say is that other teams are letting EP go free or that he is stat stuffing. Dude is getting 8+ assists per game while scoring 20+ and has a TS% of .645 -- teams aren't just going to give that to you.

The Suns have been losing because they are young. That's what young teams do in the NBA do. However, generally, those players get older and better. That's when we tend to let the players go. If it were just EP that we did this with then I think it would be one thing. However, when it has been emblematic of the organizations repeated actions over the last several years (See Tobias, Dipo, Mario and now EP) you tend to see a pattern.

Well it's true, but I guess you can live in la la land.

Kerr let the Warriors players coach themselves and they blew out the Suns by 48 points because they shutdown everyone else and let Payton take free open shots. Defenders sagging off Payton.... Sound familiar? Such an easy strategy, you don't even need to have a coach to tell you what to do.

[NBlue]

Great read. Obviously the Magic could've gotten more. We sent him to PHX so that we could get Trae Young and I'm thrilled about it. Trojan Horse action.

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that? His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

His stats are good because he has played damn well. What's fair to say is that its only been 3 games. What its rather absurd to say is that other teams are letting EP go free or that he is stat stuffing. Dude is getting 8+ assists per game while scoring 20+ and has a TS% of .645 -- teams aren't just going to give that to you.

The Suns have been losing because they are young. That's what young teams do in the NBA do. However, generally, those players get older and better. That's when we tend to let the players go. If it were just EP that we did this with then I think it would be one thing. However, when it has been emblematic of the organizations repeated actions over the last several years (See Tobias, Dipo, Mario and now EP) you tend to see a pattern.

Well it's true, but I guess you can live in la la land.

Kerr let the Warriors players coach themselves and they blew out the Suns by 48 points because they shutdown everyone else and let Payton take free open shots. Defenders sagging off Payton.... Sound familiar? Such an easy strategy, you don't even need to have a coach to tell you what to do.

Its actually not worth my time to go through and document the sophomoric nature of your argument. I'm sure the Warriors switched Klay Thompson onto EP during the game because Klay would then intentionally give EP more room in your world and I'm sure the fact that EP had the lowest +/- of any player playing over 20 minutes is just coincidence or something.

Look, you think EP sucks and that he doesn't help a team win -- cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You might even be right. And, of course, the majority of posters here had the same things to day when Dipo was shipped out. How did that work out?

[Skin]

Lol, if this forum has major attachment issues it is highly justified by the organization's recent history, including shipping off a 23 yo who is now an All-Star at 25 yo.

I get that one, but everyone who goes or gets traded or even gets talked about as getting traded is loved... Mo Harkless, Kyle O'Quinn, Andrew Nicholson, Tobias Harris, Dewayne Dedmon, Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier, Mario Hezonja, Nikola Vucevic...

We can't trade or talk about trades because WE LOVE OUR PLAYERZZZZZZZ and we love them more after they are gone!

Strawman argument.

Are you suggesting that the decision that the decision to move on from Dedmon and instead sign Biz was a good one?

Are you suggesting that the decision to trade Tobias was a good one?

Are you suggesting that the failure to extend Mario was a good decision?

All three of those seem like pretty significant and terrible decisions. Its too early to tell on EP yet and you've already conceded that the decision to trade Dipo was terrible.

So that's at least 4 significant really bad player personnel decisions by our organization. I do like some of the players and would have liked for them to stay but, more than that, I'd like for our organization to stop being incredibly dumb. But keep on waving your pom-poms.

That's not strawman at all. You're not even arguing my point.

I ain't waving no pom poms for this organization. lol. They have been stupid beyond comprehension.

What I'm saying is.... let these guys go... they are not right for us...

Just because they chose the wrong guy to replace him doesn't mean letting go of Dedmon was wrong. What if they had chosen the right guy? Besides, Dedmon has a PO and will probably be a FA this summer if he wants to.

Letting Tobias go was the right choice too. It's just that the trade value was crap. Still wouldn't want him here to help us fiddle in NBA mediocrity like the Pistons are doing. They'll never win anything.

Not tendering Mario was the wrong choice... But it shouldn't have stopped us talking about trading him. Now he could leave and we get nothing in return.

[Skin]

His stats are good because he has played damn well. What's fair to say is that its only been 3 games. What its rather absurd to say is that other teams are letting EP go free or that he is stat stuffing. Dude is getting 8+ assists per game while scoring 20+ and has a TS% of .645 -- teams aren't just going to give that to you.

The Suns have been losing because they are young. That's what young teams do in the NBA do. However, generally, those players get older and better. That's when we tend to let the players go. If it were just EP that we did this with then I think it would be one thing. However, when it has been emblematic of the organizations repeated actions over the last several years (See Tobias, Dipo, Mario and now EP) you tend to see a pattern.

Well it's true, but I guess you can live in la la land.

Kerr let the Warriors players coach themselves and they blew out the Suns by 48 points because they shutdown everyone else and let Payton take free open shots. Defenders sagging off Payton.... Sound familiar? Such an easy strategy, you don't even need to have a coach to tell you what to do.

Its actually not worth my time to go through and document the sophomoric nature of your argument. I'm sure the Warriors switched Klay Thompson onto EP during the game because Klay would then intentionally give EP more room in your world and I'm sure the fact that EP had the lowest +/- of any player playing over 20 minutes is just coincidence or something.

Look, you think EP sucks and that he doesn't help a team win -- cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You might even be right. And, of course, the majority of posters here had the same things to day when Dipo was shipped out. How did that work out?

Well, I always chose Dipo over Fournier even when it was unpopular. So I'm comfortable with how I feel about letting Payton go. He had a lot of good games here. I didn't expect that to stop. In fact, I'm banking on him going into Triple Double Super Saiyan mode down the stretch to help the Suns get a worse pick. Will I be regretful when that happens? Hell no. I'll find something better.

[Patrick1978]

Well it's true, but I guess you can live in la la land.

Kerr let the Warriors players coach themselves and they blew out the Suns by 48 points because they shutdown everyone else and let Payton take free open shots. Defenders sagging off Payton.... Sound familiar? Such an easy strategy, you don't even need to have a coach to tell you what to do.

Its actually not worth my time to go through and document the sophomoric nature of your argument. I'm sure the Warriors switched Klay Thompson onto EP during the game because Klay would then intentionally give EP more room in your world and I'm sure the fact that EP had the lowest +/- of any player playing over 20 minutes is just coincidence or something.

Look, you think EP sucks and that he doesn't help a team win -- cool, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You might even be right. And, of course, the majority of posters here had the same things to day when Dipo was shipped out. How did that work out?

Well, I always chose Dipo over Fournier even when it was unpopular. So I'm comfortable with how I feel about letting Payton go. He had a lot of good games here. I didn't expect that to stop. In fact, I'm banking on him going into Triple Double Super Saiyan mode down the stretch to help the Suns get a worse pick. Will I be regretful when that happens? Hell no. I'll find something better.

For me the payton chapter is closed

[Audi]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that?

INDEED!

His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Payton has been unguarded. Players are laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession, and going under every screen. Yes this means that he gets great stats, but it allows the opponent defense to completely shut down the other four players. That's called strategy.
(edit: for example, if Curry was guarded this way, he'd be shooting 60%+ with the three ball)

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My God, how desperate are you to avoid crediting Payton with playing well that you have to fabricate such garbage? It's freaking pathetic.

Vs Denver - Bender for 23, Warren for 31, Jackson for 20 = that's some "shut down strategy"
Vs Utah - Booker for 28, Jackson for 22 = another great "shut down strategy" (also, not sure sagging off and allowing a player to pile on assists and rebounds for a triple double is much of a 'strategy').
Vs GS - Pretty much every Sun but Elf sucked against GS and it's not because they just sagged off and let him "get his". Let's take a look:

Watch on YouTube

:19 - man Curry is like, 5 feet away!
:43 - look at Curry go under that screen! Whoa!
1:06 - look at them just sag off and roll out the red carpet. Elf just walked to the basket.
1:40 - look at Curry playing 3-5 feet off of him on this possession - and such an easy bucket for Payton too!
1:50 - Geez - such sagging defense from Curry

Yea, I'm done. Point made. I can't believe he's not even on this team anymore and some people still feel the need to crap on him. *sigh*

[Skin]

LOL@the posters who are committing suicide over this. This forum has major attachment issues. The Suns have been losing. Nobody is noticing that?

INDEED!

His stats are good because teams are shutting down his teammates and letting Payton go free. Same thing that has been happening here. Just need to hope their honeymoon period lasts past the draft and they don't draft Trae.

Payton has been unguarded. Players are laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession, and going under every screen. Yes this means that he gets great stats, but it allows the opponent defense to completely shut down the other four players. That's called strategy.
(edit: for example, if Curry was guarded this way, he'd be shooting 60%+ with the three ball)

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My God, how desperate are you to avoid crediting Payton with playing well that you have to fabricate such garbage? It's freaking pathetic.

Vs Denver - Bender for 23, Warren for 31, Jackson for 20 = that's some "shut down strategy"
Last night Booker for 28, Jackson for 22 = another great "shut down strategy"
Vs. GS, everyone but Elf sucked against GS and it's not because they just sagged off and let him "get his". Let's take a look:

Watch on YouTube

:19 - man Curry is like, 5 feet away!
:43 - look at Curry go under that screen! Whoa!
1:06 - look at them just sag off and roll out the red carpet. Elf just walked to the basket.
1:40 - look at Curry playing 3-5 feet off of him on this possession - and such an easy bucket for Payton too!
1:50 - Geez - such sagging defense from Curry - that crossover from Elfrid was just for show

Yea, I'm done. Point made. I can't believe he's not even on this team anymore and some people still feel the need to crap on him. *sigh*

You're getting it all wrong. There's a difference between letting a guy go and not having to be mad about it vs crapping on him.

I'm not crapping on him. I hope he does well and I hope most of all that he helps the Suns win. Unfortunately, they still haven't won. Same thing that used to happen here. It's the net effect of a team being run by Elf. They will struggle to win. Who cares if his teammates score points? Think guys like Evan, Simmons, Aaron, Vuc and a plethora of others haven't had 20+ point games with Elf here? Of course they have. What do you think the point was? That an NBA score would be 110 vs some 25 points that Elf put up? Of course his teammates will score. C'mon now. You know very well how teams play defense against us with Elf and the same thing is happening in PHX.

I'm glad he's playing with a little more motivation. He should since he got traded for a late 2nd rounder and is heading to FA.

[Audi]

INDEED!



Payton has been unguarded. Players are laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession, and going under every screen. Yes this means that he gets great stats, but it allows the opponent defense to completely shut down the other four players. That's called strategy.
(edit: for example, if Curry was guarded this way, he'd be shooting 60%+ with the three ball)

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My God, how desperate are you to avoid crediting Payton with playing well that you have to fabricate such garbage? It's freaking pathetic.

Vs Denver - Bender for 23, Warren for 31, Jackson for 20 = that's some "shut down strategy"
Last night Booker for 28, Jackson for 22 = another great "shut down strategy"
Vs. GS, everyone but Elf sucked against GS and it's not because they just sagged off and let him "get his". Let's take a look:

Watch on YouTube

:19 - man Curry is like, 5 feet away!
:43 - look at Curry go under that screen! Whoa!
1:06 - look at them just sag off and roll out the red carpet. Elf just walked to the basket.
1:40 - look at Curry playing 3-5 feet off of him on this possession - and such an easy bucket for Payton too!
1:50 - Geez - such sagging defense from Curry - that crossover from Elfrid was just for show

Yea, I'm done. Point made. I can't believe he's not even on this team anymore and some people still feel the need to crap on him. *sigh*

You're getting it all wrong. There's a difference between letting a guy go and not having to be mad about it vs crapping on him.

I'm not crapping on him. I hope he does well and I hope most of all that he helps the Suns win. Unfortunately, they still haven't won. Same thing that used to happen here. It's the net effect of a team being run by Elf. They will struggle to win. Who cares if his teammates score points? Think guys like Evan, Simmons, Aaron, Vuc and a plethora of others haven't had 20+ point games with Elf here? Of course they have. What do you think the point was? That an NBA score would be 110 vs some 25 points that Elf put up? Of course his teammates will score. C'mon now. You know very well how teams play defense against us with Elf and the same thing is happening in PHX.

I'm glad he's playing with a little more motivation. He should since he got traded for a late 2nd rounder and is heading to FA.

Nah man, I get that. He's not helping a crappy team suddenly start to win, just like he couldn't do for us. But when I hear ignorant statements like "empty stats" because he's "been unguarded" and they are "laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession and going under every screen"...it just gets under my skin (no pun intended). I know good basketball when I see it, most of us here do, and when I see people go out of their way fabricating and twisting reality to try and discredit it ... shiz is annoying and I gotta call it out.

[Skin]

My God, how desperate are you to avoid crediting Payton with playing well that you have to fabricate such garbage? It's freaking pathetic.

Vs Denver - Bender for 23, Warren for 31, Jackson for 20 = that's some "shut down strategy"
Last night Booker for 28, Jackson for 22 = another great "shut down strategy"
Vs. GS, everyone but Elf sucked against GS and it's not because they just sagged off and let him "get his". Let's take a look:

Watch on YouTube

:19 - man Curry is like, 5 feet away!
:43 - look at Curry go under that screen! Whoa!
1:06 - look at them just sag off and roll out the red carpet. Elf just walked to the basket.
1:40 - look at Curry playing 3-5 feet off of him on this possession - and such an easy bucket for Payton too!
1:50 - Geez - such sagging defense from Curry - that crossover from Elfrid was just for show

Yea, I'm done. Point made. I can't believe he's not even on this team anymore and some people still feel the need to crap on him. *sigh*

You're getting it all wrong. There's a difference between letting a guy go and not having to be mad about it vs crapping on him.

I'm not crapping on him. I hope he does well and I hope most of all that he helps the Suns win. Unfortunately, they still haven't won. Same thing that used to happen here. It's the net effect of a team being run by Elf. They will struggle to win. Who cares if his teammates score points? Think guys like Evan, Simmons, Aaron, Vuc and a plethora of others haven't had 20+ point games with Elf here? Of course they have. What do you think the point was? That an NBA score would be 110 vs some 25 points that Elf put up? Of course his teammates will score. C'mon now. You know very well how teams play defense against us with Elf and the same thing is happening in PHX.

I'm glad he's playing with a little more motivation. He should since he got traded for a late 2nd rounder and is heading to FA.

Nah man, I get that. He's not helping a crappy team suddenly start to win, just like he couldn't do for us. But when I hear ignorant statements like "empty stats" because he's "been unguarded" and they are "laying off of him 3-5 feet on every possession and going under every screen"...it just gets under my skin (no pun intended). I know good basketball when I see it, most of us here do, and when I see people go out of their way fabricating and twisting reality to try and discredit it ... shiz is annoying and I gotta call it out.

Call me when they start winning because of Elf. I still might not be mad tho.

[PennytoShaq]

There is a crazy victim theme here that almost resembles some sort of actual physical abuse, and not just being fans of a sport.

When a bad decision is made by a prior regime,it is still brought up as some kind of a point. It's not. We have a new regime now that has barely started making moves and people already bring up old trades and lump them together as if it's all the same people making these decisions.

Then we now have the "dipo is an all-star" argument. It's terrible. These guys are actually different people. They are not the same person. Therefore just because Dipo goes somewhere else, gets traded again and has now become a star this year, does not mean that every player we move will have the same thing happen. Harris is a role player. I know that is tough to accept, but he is. Nicholson and Harkless and Oquinn are bench bros. That's it. The term "blow it up" has been typed a million times by a million people and when the Magic start to do just that, people get soft about it. There is no reason for that.

Just because Elf gets traded does not mean that he will go somewhere else and develop a motor and a 3 point shot. It just doesn't.

To save time, the response is usually. "what do you expect? We have been bad for so long. This franchise can't do anything right".

Get over it. The NBA is not a sport to follow if you are this negative and morose. It rewards the patient fan, not the one who needs everything to be perfect and all trades, signings, draft picks to be nailed. Many teams that people say they envy have never even been to the Finals. We have been to 2 Finals. That's not bad at all. Sometimes you just have to drop the victim complex and support the team.

If you want to understand this perspective, go to a game and hang out with the Fat Guy. He just roots for the team, and knows as much or more about them than anyone here. He is always in a good mood and enjoys the game for what it is - entertainment.

[Skin]

There is a crazy victim theme here that almost resembles some sort of actual physical abuse, and not just being fans of a sport.

When a bad decision is made by a prior regime,it is still brought up as some kind of a point. It's not. We have a new regime now that has barely started making moves and people already bring up old trades and lump them together as if it's all the same people making these decisions.

Then we now have the "dipo is an all-star" argument. It's terrible. These guys are actually different people. They are not the same person. Therefore just because Dipo goes somewhere else, gets traded again and has now become a star this year, does not mean that every player we move will have the same thing happen. Harris is a role player. I know that is tough to accept, but he is. Nicholson and Harkless and Oquinn are bench bros. That's it. The term "blow it up" has been typed a million times by a million people and when the Magic start to do just that, people get soft about it. There is no reason for that.

Just because Elf gets traded does not mean that he will go somewhere else and develop a motor and a 3 point shot. It just doesn't.

To save time, the response is usually. "what do you expect? We have been bad for so long. This franchise can't do anything right".

Get over it. The NBA is not a sport to follow if you are this negative and morose. It rewards the patient fan, not the one who needs everything to be perfect and all trades, signings, draft picks to be nailed. Many teams that people say they envy have never even been to the Finals. We have been to 2 Finals. That's not bad at all. Sometimes you just have to drop the victim complex and support the team.

If you want to understand this perspective, go to a game and hang out with the Fat Guy. He just roots for the team, and knows as much or more about them than anyone here. He is always in a good mood and enjoys the game for what it is - entertainment.

Well said.

[SOUL]

What people are frustrated about are people spouting things that may have applied here, but have zero application on his games with the Suns yet. I don't like when people falsely attribute things to any player on our team. Just like when Courtside said Oladipo is "Monta Ellis" which can't be further from the truth.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Now Orlando’s considered a team that farms good players for other teams? How all of a sudden is Payton considered a hot commodity by outsiders. He’s doing the exact same thing he did in Orlando but no one batted an eye then...

[Tayswagzzz]

Now Orlando’s considered a team that farms good players for other teams? How all of a sudden is Payton considered a hot commodity by outsiders. He’s doing the exact same thing he did in Orlando but no one batted an eye then...

We have always been the NBA's farm team...