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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#621 » by tonman » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:18 pm

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tonman wrote:how do you define credibility? if you poll areas where there are majority republicans they are going to say Fox. What's frustrating is you can't see the bias on Fox. I literally just heard a Fox commentator say that it was wrong to consider a shooting a school shooting because it happened in the school parking lot and did not target students.... the problem with bias is if you agree with the bias, you can't tell that you are bias yourself.

I do agree that the media tends to be left leaning. it is unfortunately the way it is as media companies are based mainly in metropolitan areas and if you are in metropolitan areas, you tend to be more liberal (uh probably because you have something called DIVERSITY). that said, you are quick to bash CNN and yet you don't say anything about MSNBC. You mention how so-and-so "destroys" CNN. if you go watch MSNBC and Rachel Maddow, you'd see logic "destroy" the Trump Administration.


I don't agree with everything on Fox and yes I agree that they are a right leaning network, one of the few. I do enjoy watching Tucker Carlson and Hannity though. MSNBC is almost as bad as CNN, I don't think Rachel Maddow is in a position to destroy anybody, watch the video of her on election week/night and see who's pompous ass got thoroughly destroyed.

You use the words "waking up thanks to Trump" and yet we are sleepwalking through yet another school shooting, another mass shooting. The "draining of the swamp" have shown how hypocritical that message is by countless top officials being accused of abusing spending off tax paper money. any person could have told you this would be the outcome if Trump replaced politicians by top exec businessmen. Why? BECAUSE TOP EXEC SALARIES have been RIDICULOUSLY RISING at a HIGHER RATE than overall wages. You have golden parachutes and stock options and CEOs having $100 million dollar potential salaries and you give them a public office and you EXPECT them to be PRUDENT???


Domestic school shootings have very little to do with politics, most of them have to do with poor upbringing, mental illness combined with an addiction to drugs, anti-depressants what have you.

Trump is putting money back into the pockets of the middle class. Have you not seen or heard of all these company bonuses as of late? People getting more money back on their tax returns? Jobs being kept in America?

I don't care that you support Trump. That's your choice. It's the blind trust you give him. You can support Trump and the Republican party and STILL be critical and bash him whenever he does something wrong. It's called making sure the people you elect does what's best for this country. I don't care if you are a Trump fan, a religious right, Alt-Right or a Bernie fan, progressive, NEITHER party knows what is best for this country for EVERY issue. You can't push a "conservative" ideology on EVERY issue and believe that it is the best solution to the problem. same thing you can' push a liberal approach on everything. but if you do not discuss the issue with ALL sides, nothing will ever be resolved. An attempt at "Health Care Reform" that only one party presents. A "Tax Cut/Tax Reform" (what reform?) that only one party presents.


Trump isn't perfect by any means but he is more transparent than Obama or especially Hillary Clinton ever were. His message and agenda has always been consistent, and that is to make America great again. He's been saying the same thing for 20 years now, just go back to his old David Letterman and even Oprah interviews. Trump isn't going to nail every policy as he comes from a business background, he has to lean on his advisors for many of his decisions. Not all will turn out great for the American people.

Just because voters voted Republicans to both houses and the white house does not mean Republicans have carte blanche to do whatever they want. And if those Republicans/Trump fans would just hold their representatives to the fire to work to get things done right, we wouldn't be here throwing barbs back and forth. We have a solid economy and yet an "unnecessary" tax bill was passed and voila, we have uncertainty in the stock market. Think about it, slow and steady growth means smaller "corrections". Quick and fast growth means larger "corrections". Thankfully, the economy is solid (and thanks goes to Obama and Yellen) and you don't see a lot of overreactions to the "corrections".


Funny how Obama gets credit for the great economy yet it's Trump's fault do to the "correction"? Fyi, the market started flourishing under Trump's watch, not Obama's. Trump shouldn't have tried to take credit for this imo because the market is very unpredictable as there are so many other factors in play that affects it. He should have just stayed quiet on this as it could very well come back to bite him.

And then you say stupid things like the "Justice department have been heavily influenced by Obama and Hillary" when the department is stocked with career people who were there for decades including during the Bush administration. Meuller for example as mentioned is a Republican. The guy who texted those anti-Trump messages was the guy who pushed to renew the investigation into Hillary for the emails just before the election. If you don't look at the whole picture, you can easily find enough evidence to justify your claim. The fact that the Republican Congress refused to let Obama select a Supreme Court appointee during his last year of office would indicate an "influence" of the Supreme Court by the Republican Party. Yet you don't say anything. Wonder what happens if the Dems win Congress in 2018 and there needs to be a nomination for Supreme Court during Trump's LAST year in office. You really think that Congress is going to allow Trump to select the next justice now that precedence was set?


Everybody knows that the Justice dept and the FBI were at the mercy of Obama and Hillary Clinton. Remember the private conversation Loretta Lynch had with Clinton at the tarmac? Comey was also a Clinton/Obama puppet as were the rest of the high-level cronies.


You don't get it. A few bucks for a short period pales to the huge cut the rich get. The reduction in revenue causes increase in debt and other things that may negatively affect the economy. Getting rid of the mandate for health care that money people see just disappeared as he's done nothing for health care. Transparency? How come the white house doesn't inform the country that trump spoke to Putin leaving us to hear from Tass or other.foreign news outlets? Also you complain about the tarmac but have no.issues with trump expecting sessions to protect him? Wasn't Comey appointed by Bush???? Has trump ever acknowledged how good the economy was before he started? Unemployment rate?
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#622 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:41 am

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13th Man wrote:You guys have been exposed to fake news for too long, that is all that I can say. Gotta get back to work.


You parrot talking points that come from Breitbart, Fox News, and Infowars. You have no moral standing to even say this to anyone else.

also, this just happened:

13 Russians charged with meddling to help Trump in election

https://www.yahoo.com/news/13-russian-nationals-charged-mueller-investigation-180554016--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Thirteen Russians and three Russian companies were charged Friday with an elaborate plot to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election through social media propaganda aimed at helping Republican Donald Trump and harming the prospects of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, prosecutors announced Friday.

The indictment, brought by the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, represents the most direct allegation to date of illegal Russian meddling during the election. It says Russians created bogus Internet postings, posed online as American political activists and fraudulently purchased advertisements — all with the goal of swaying political opinion during the bitterly contested race.

The intent of the meddling, the indictment says, was to "sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 presidential election."

The indictment arises from Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the election and whether there was improper coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. The charges are similar to the assessment of the U.S. intelligence community, which months after the election described a Russian government effort to meddle in the election on Trump's behalf.

The Russians' "strategic goal" was to sow discord, the indictment says. By early-to-mid 2016, their efforts "included" supporting Trump's campaign and disparaging Democrat Clinton. The charges say that Russians also communicated with "unwitting individuals" associated with the Trump campaign and other political activists to coordinate activities.

Trump himself has been reluctant to acknowledge the meddling. His spokeswoman, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said Friday that Trump had been briefed on the indictment but there was no other immediate comment.

The charges are the latest allegations arising from Mueller's probe and represent the first criminal case against Russians. Before Friday, four people, including Trump's former national security adviser and former campaign chairman, had been charged.

According to the indictment, the Internet Research Agency, a Russian troll farm, started interfering as early as 2014 in U.S. politics, extending to the 2016 presidential election. The defendants, "posing as U.S. persons and creating false U.S. personas," operated social media groups designed to attract U.S. audiences by stealing U.S. identities and falsely claiming to be U.S. activists.


fake news indeed. Mueller and the FBI/Intelligence community isn't playing around with Donald Trump. It will be a long sleepless night for that fat orange son of a bitch. Mueller has also been interviewing Steve Bannon this week. You don't really have many options when you're being interviewed by federal investigators. You can either be forthcoming, answer everything truthfully (especially since they aren't asking you questions they already don't have answers to) and even offer new information on your own accord, or you can lie to them and be indicted for lying to the FBI just like George Papadapoulos and Michael Flynn did. I take Steve Bannon for a morally bankrupt racist drunken nutjob, but he's not stupid.

You can scream fake news, Obama and Hillary all you want. Maybe when you see Jared Kushner being perp walked like Michael Flynn was for his arraignment proceedings, or the gavel gets slammed down by Chief Justice Roberts to commence Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate, if he doesn't resign first, you'll begin to realize that all of this is for real, and the only ones that will be going to jail will be a bunch of traitors to the United States.



Not fake but irrelevant news. So the Russians tried to meddle in the elections? Big deal. Countries try to influence elections all the time, that is not a crime in itself.

The question is whether the Trump administration knowingly colluded with the Russians, which has yet to be proven. As Van Jones from CNN stated, "It's a Nothing Burger".
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#623 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:45 am

tonman wrote:You don't get it. A few bucks for a short period pales to the huge cut the rich get. The reduction in revenue causes increase in debt and other things that may negatively affect the economy. Getting rid of the mandate for health care that money people see just disappeared as he's done nothing for health care. Transparency? How come the white house doesn't inform the country that trump spoke to Putin leaving us to hear from Tass or other.foreign news outlets? Also you complain about the tarmac but have no.issues with trump expecting sessions to protect him? Wasn't Comey appointed by Bush???? Has trump ever acknowledged how good the economy was before he started? Unemployment rate?


Why are you trying to pin the state of health care in the U.S. on Trump? Like he can easily eradicate the mess created from Obamacare? Btw, Trump's approval rating after one year is higher than what Obama's was after his first year. You are speculating the doom of America, while in reality unemployment has dropped while people's wallets have gotten fatter.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#624 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:50 am

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There are confederate sympathizers who use the same arguments, hiding behind ‘ideologies’ to justify being racist, or at the very least, supporting racist initiatives. The ideologies you support are racist & the mere fact that this needs to be explained to you means you are a racist


Totally absurd. I didn't want to go there but BLM is probably one of the most racist groups out there. Shapiro has schooled many a BLM with facts that they couldn't counter by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#625 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:55 am

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Cruz is white. You can have a Hispanic last name and still be Caucasian...a fact that I notice has come as a shock to alt righters who try to disavow Cruz whose posts are in line with their god awful racist views.

But yes, I saw that the racist **** bag who openly bragged about this murderer being among their ranks is now walking his story back:

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbp37y/white-supremacist-tries-to-walk-back-made-up-story-about-nikolas-cruz-blames-media



^sounds like a real winner right there. Whether his was lying initially or not, we'll see. More than likely it must have occurred to him that bragging about Cruz being apart of their backwater militia would more than likely have federal investigators knocking on his door.

So, do you share his views on the "lying jew media"? Which is basically what people like Trump and yourself are referring to you when you say "fake news" to everything that doesn't adhere to your confirmation bias from extreme right wing media sources.

Also, I chose not to respond to your other post from days prior because I really prefer to keep things peaceful on here since we're here for the Nets, but I will say this to you. You don't have to be white to espouse or support the beliefs and rhetoric of white supremacy. I see non whites doing it all the time. The names I see you dropping in here are hardcore racist scum, so its really hard for me not to think that you're in support of a lot of this stuff. Then there's the whole MAGA thing, which in itself is basically "Make America White Again". I have no ill will towards you, but you say you're half Asian right? These same people that you're kowtowing to or singing the praises of hate you just like they hate me and other black/asian/indian/arab/muslim folks. You'll understand one day.


I'm older than most folks on here and have lived in the U.S. for many years as well, hence why I have an interest in U.S. politics. I've lived in California, the same area as where Lin is from, Allen, Texas (near Dallas) and Indiana. Attended both Purdue and Stanford University. So when it comes to diversity, I've seen it all.

Of course I don't condone nor respect the views from any white supremacist, including the one from your reference. That guy is a POS.

Just because I support Trump doesn't mean that I am alt-right or am a white supremacist. Just because I believe in MAGA doesn't imply this either. Also because I am a fan of Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson doesn't mean that I am a racist, just means that I agree with their ideologies, which aren't racist at all when you drill down to the facts.

You have a right to be offended based on your perceptions. I just don't agree with why you should be offended by my stance. I would say that a vast majority of American citizens are reasonable people with the exception of the extreme left or the alt-right, which I don't consider myself to be a part of.

It's a shame that America is so divided and I don't attribute this to Trump either, it's been like this for awhile now.


Some of Shapiro's views are outright racist and bigoted.

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?


It was never proven that Trump actually said that, like everything else with the MSM they went bazonkers and ran with it noteably CNN, which made a huge fool out of themselves repeatedly swearing on television. So trivial and childish.

Btw, there are countries that are indeed sholes there's no denying that. It's not something that a President should be saying though...again this is just heresay and not proven.

Shapiro has constantly defended his views with facts, that does not make him a racist.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#626 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:10 am

Donald J. Trump

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@realDonaldTrump


Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#627 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:11 am

Meanwhile.....the Dems colluded with the Russians to have the dossier made.
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Post#628 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:13 am

There is proof that Hillary paid a company to try to get dirt from the Russians. Meanwhile still zero proof that the Trump administration had any dealings with the Russians that would impact the outcome of the election.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#629 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:41 am

13th Man wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
13th Man wrote:You guys have been exposed to fake news for too long, that is all that I can say. Gotta get back to work.


You parrot talking points that come from Breitbart, Fox News, and Infowars. You have no moral standing to even say this to anyone else.

also, this just happened:

13 Russians charged with meddling to help Trump in election

https://www.yahoo.com/news/13-russian-nationals-charged-mueller-investigation-180554016--politics.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Thirteen Russians and three Russian companies were charged Friday with an elaborate plot to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election through social media propaganda aimed at helping Republican Donald Trump and harming the prospects of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, prosecutors announced Friday.

The indictment, brought by the office of special counsel Robert Mueller, represents the most direct allegation to date of illegal Russian meddling during the election. It says Russians created bogus Internet postings, posed online as American political activists and fraudulently purchased advertisements — all with the goal of swaying political opinion during the bitterly contested race.

The intent of the meddling, the indictment says, was to "sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 presidential election."

The indictment arises from Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the election and whether there was improper coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. The charges are similar to the assessment of the U.S. intelligence community, which months after the election described a Russian government effort to meddle in the election on Trump's behalf.

The Russians' "strategic goal" was to sow discord, the indictment says. By early-to-mid 2016, their efforts "included" supporting Trump's campaign and disparaging Democrat Clinton. The charges say that Russians also communicated with "unwitting individuals" associated with the Trump campaign and other political activists to coordinate activities.

Trump himself has been reluctant to acknowledge the meddling. His spokeswoman, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said Friday that Trump had been briefed on the indictment but there was no other immediate comment.

The charges are the latest allegations arising from Mueller's probe and represent the first criminal case against Russians. Before Friday, four people, including Trump's former national security adviser and former campaign chairman, had been charged.

According to the indictment, the Internet Research Agency, a Russian troll farm, started interfering as early as 2014 in U.S. politics, extending to the 2016 presidential election. The defendants, "posing as U.S. persons and creating false U.S. personas," operated social media groups designed to attract U.S. audiences by stealing U.S. identities and falsely claiming to be U.S. activists.


fake news indeed. Mueller and the FBI/Intelligence community isn't playing around with Donald Trump. It will be a long sleepless night for that fat orange son of a bitch. Mueller has also been interviewing Steve Bannon this week. You don't really have many options when you're being interviewed by federal investigators. You can either be forthcoming, answer everything truthfully (especially since they aren't asking you questions they already don't have answers to) and even offer new information on your own accord, or you can lie to them and be indicted for lying to the FBI just like George Papadapoulos and Michael Flynn did. I take Steve Bannon for a morally bankrupt racist drunken nutjob, but he's not stupid.

You can scream fake news, Obama and Hillary all you want. Maybe when you see Jared Kushner being perp walked like Michael Flynn was for his arraignment proceedings, or the gavel gets slammed down by Chief Justice Roberts to commence Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate, if he doesn't resign first, you'll begin to realize that all of this is for real, and the only ones that will be going to jail will be a bunch of traitors to the United States.



Not fake but irrelevant news. So the Russians tried to meddle in the elections? Big deal. Countries try to influence elections all the time, that is not a crime in itself.

The question is whether the Trump administration knowingly colluded with the Russians, which has yet to be proven. As Van Jones from CNN stated, "It's a Nothing Burger".


:lol: "irrelevant"? stop lying to yourself. you need to unfollow paul joseph watson, jack posobiec, cernovich, and the rest of the alt right trolls that push outright lies to people on your side of the political spectrum. this is not a nothing burger.

923. 18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States (Manafort and Gates were also charged with this, by the way)

965. Conspiracy to Violate the Mail Fraud or Wire Fraud Statutes

18 U.S. Code § 1028A - Aggravated identity theft

^these are serious crimes. Just because you don't care that the Russians actively tampered with the US Electoral process doesn't mean that it isn't a crime.

These indictments establish now the fact that Russians did indeed interfere with our election process (corroborating what the FBI director and other officials said this week during the hearing before congress). It is a very big deal. it now lays out there that crimes have been committed. it also sets up Trump for more obstruction of justice charges if he dares to interfere with the investigation from this point on.

Now comes the part where Mueller connects the Trump campaign to this. That will come via Carter Page, Cambridge Analytica, Jared Kusher, the hacked voter data from key battleground states, and other aspects. This doesn't include the money laundering crimes and god knows what else.

Listen, I'm going to offer you some ketchup with that nothing burger when this all comes to a head. the prosecutors on Mueller's team are no joke and if you take a look at the line up and what the specialize in, you'd realize just how serious this is and how **** ed Donald Trump and anyone else who took part in this scheme, which amounts to outright treason, is.

Notice that the orange dotard stopped calling the Russian meddling a "hoax" today? he and his sycophants are trying to push the narrative that this somehow vindicates them. it doesn't.

:nod: i'm sure Barack and Hillary will be arrested any time now though.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#630 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:49 am

I have no idea who those names that you rambled off are. You seem to know 100x more about alt-right sources than I do. Anyway, as it stands right now the Trump administration have done nothing wrong.
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Post#631 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:55 am

13th Man wrote:Meanwhile.....the Dems colluded with the Russians to have the dossier made.


The Dossier was first funded by Republicans who were doing opposition research. Please stop lying.

and there's nothing illegal or wrong with the dossier being made, nor has anything in the dossier been disproved.
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Post#632 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:01 am

13th Man wrote:I have no idea who those names that you rambled off are. You seem to know 100x more about alt-right sources than I do. Anyway, as it stands right now the Trump administration have done nothing wrong.


sure you don't. You just parrot the same talking points that those names do, but you somehow....have no idea who any of them are, yet you are clearly up on what goes on in the alt right stratosphere. alright.

4 members of the campaign have been indicted, 2 plead guilty, one is now negotiating to cooperate. but you can continue to believe that no wrong doing connected to Trump has gone on. reality will tell a different tale.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#633 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:06 am

13th Man wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
13th Man wrote:
I'm older than most folks on here and have lived in the U.S. for many years as well, hence why I have an interest in U.S. politics. I've lived in California, the same area as where Lin is from, Allen, Texas (near Dallas) and Indiana. Attended both Purdue and Stanford University. So when it comes to diversity, I've seen it all.

Of course I don't condone nor respect the views from any white supremacist, including the one from your reference. That guy is a POS.

Just because I support Trump doesn't mean that I am alt-right or am a white supremacist. Just because I believe in MAGA doesn't imply this either. Also because I am a fan of Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson doesn't mean that I am a racist, just means that I agree with their ideologies, which aren't racist at all when you drill down to the facts.

You have a right to be offended based on your perceptions. I just don't agree with why you should be offended by my stance. I would say that a vast majority of American citizens are reasonable people with the exception of the extreme left or the alt-right, which I don't consider myself to be a part of.

It's a shame that America is so divided and I don't attribute this to Trump either, it's been like this for awhile now.


Some of Shapiro's views are outright racist and bigoted.

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?


It was never proven that Trump actually said that, like everything else with the MSM they went bazonkers and ran with it noteably CNN, which made a huge fool out of themselves repeatedly swearing on television. So trivial and childish.

Btw, there are countries that are indeed sholes there's no denying that. It's not something that a President should be saying though...again this is just heresay and not proven.

Shapiro has constantly defended his views with facts, that does not make him a racist.


Stop it. Lindsey Graham, a Republican confirmed that Trump said this, and he rebuked him for it because the comments were not only racist but beneath the office of the POTUS. So...

i'll ask again:

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?

also, have you yourself ever been to said **** hole countries to make that assessment?
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#634 » by shakendfries » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:22 am

13th Man wrote:
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There are confederate sympathizers who use the same arguments, hiding behind ‘ideologies’ to justify being racist, or at the very least, supporting racist initiatives. The ideologies you support are racist & the mere fact that this needs to be explained to you means you are a racist


Totally absurd. I didn't want to go there but BLM is probably one of the most racist groups out there. Shapiro has schooled many a BLM with facts that they couldn't counter by any stretch of the imagination.


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Post#635 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:38 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
13th Man wrote:Meanwhile.....the Dems colluded with the Russians to have the dossier made.


The Dossier was first funded by Republicans who were doing opposition research. Please stop lying.

and there's nothing illegal or wrong with the dossier being made, nor has anything in the dossier been disproved.


Trump dossier and Christopher Steele[edit]
Main article: Donald Trump–Russia dossier
In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[27] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[28][29][30] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[28][31] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[29][30]

Ok so the Clinton campaign paid to have Fusion GPS continue its opposition research on Trump. Research that had dealings with the Russians.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#636 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:42 am

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13th Man wrote:I have no idea who those names that you rambled off are. You seem to know 100x more about alt-right sources than I do. Anyway, as it stands right now the Trump administration have done nothing wrong.


sure you don't. You just parrot the same talking points that those names do, but you somehow....have no idea who any of them are, yet you are clearly up on what goes on in the alt right stratosphere. alright.

4 members of the campaign have been indicted, 2 plead guilty, one is now negotiating to cooperate. but you can continue to believe that no wrong doing connected to Trump has gone on. reality will tell a different tale.


I don't. Why would I lie about this? I don't need to justify anything do you as you are the one that is clearly obsessed with the alt-right, not me. It's no wonder you accuse anybody supporting Trump of being alt-right because that's the alt-world that you live in. Very strange.

I suggest that you quit delving into alt-right sources as it's messing with how you percieve normal people views in the real world.
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#637 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:42 am

shakendfries wrote:
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shakendfries wrote:
There are confederate sympathizers who use the same arguments, hiding behind ‘ideologies’ to justify being racist, or at the very least, supporting racist initiatives. The ideologies you support are racist & the mere fact that this needs to be explained to you means you are a racist


Totally absurd. I didn't want to go there but BLM is probably one of the most racist groups out there. Shapiro has schooled many a BLM with facts that they couldn't counter by any stretch of the imagination.


are you a confederate sympathizer?


Nope. Anything else?
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#638 » by 13th Man » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:47 am

MrDollarBills wrote:i'll ask again:

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?

also, have you yourself ever been to said **** hole countries to make that assessment?


I already gave my opinion on this and don't need to answer anything more to you. I am not on trial here and you guys need to step back and not accuse anybody not sharing your views as being racist. It is quite disturbing actually.

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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#639 » by shakendfries » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:14 pm

13th Man wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:i'll ask again:

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?

also, have you yourself ever been to said **** hole countries to make that assessment?


I already gave my opinion on this and don't need to answer anything more to you. I am not on trial here and you guys need to step back and not accuse anybody not sharing your views as being racist. It is quite disturbing actually.

I'm out, have to teach classes tomorrow morning and need to prep for them. Cheers.


There you have it - 13th Man refuses to deny or denounce supporting racist ideologies, and is more likely than not a racist himself


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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#640 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:18 pm

shakendfries wrote:
13th Man wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:i'll ask again:

Do you agree with Trump's ideology behind saying that the US shouldn't allow people from African **** hole countries (the same African immigrants who are some of the most highly educated people in this country and are more educated than natural born Americans) and should be letting in people from places like Norway?

Do you happen to understand the underlying sentiment behind that statement?

Do you support that sentiment, since you also support Trump?

also, have you yourself ever been to said **** hole countries to make that assessment?


I already gave my opinion on this and don't need to answer anything more to you. I am not on trial here and you guys need to step back and not accuse anybody not sharing your views as being racist. It is quite disturbing actually.

I'm out, have to teach classes tomorrow morning and need to prep for them. Cheers.


There you have it - 13th Man refuses to deny or denounce supporting racist ideologies, and is more likely than not a racist himself


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An assault on a poster's character should be a ban-able offense. This thread is a disgusting microcosm of the deterioration of our society. Instead of open-minded dialogue, people have been manipulated into binary thinking and attack anybody that disagrees with their biases that get amplified within the comforts of their echo-chambers. Society is being manipulated into pure blue or red, but deep down most people are varying shades of purple.

The opposing side is not a bunch of racist hillbillies or whiny, entitled snow flakes. They are mostly educated people with unique needs, perspectives and experiences. Don't let the rating seeking media on either side plant seeds of manufactured outrage in your mind. The down turn of society began when the media stopped reporting facts and instead air opinions and editorials under a false sense of "news" legitimacy.

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