Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Russia has been indicted on CRIMINAL activities. At this point the Trump team better pray the only thing Mueller finds is collusion.

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For the record, we know they meddled. Obama already told us. But this whole "investigation" started out with charges that "trump colluded with russians to rig the election." I know this because i can vaguely recall CNN talking about 24/7 for 14 straight months. yes, vaguely. its hazy. just a memory in a "the past is gone... like dust to dawn..." kind of way... but you never figured out how to lose to eventually learn how to win. see what i did there? no? keep reading.

Then once they began to figure out that trump likely did not collude they tried to turn it into "trump is obstructing justice on the collusion investigation." But then they realized this one aint got no teeth either.

So now the left is running with, "see!! russia did meddle!!!" "trump is a liar!!!!" But never denyhide that there was meddling. He only called collusion a hoax.

But meddling? yeah we already knew that. Obama already said Russia meddled when Obama was still president. and Obama said it did not effect the outcome of the election. All of which trump accepted when he was president-elect.

So Trump never lied about that. at all. on any level. Trump said russian COLLUSION was a hoax. not russian meddling.

but the left is desperate and melting down. digging up some kind of weird victory. when all we have is russian meddled. and we know they meddled. Obama already told is in November and December 2016. So we live and learn from fools of the obama administration and from #MAGA sages of the Donald trump donctrine. get it?

In the sad end, the left is just not going to get a do-over on this election. they also are not going to get their desired coup-de-tats either. Ya know? Well, do ya? but you will get those feelings. yes, "those" feelin's ahhhhhhhhhhhh those feelin's. ahhhhhhh yes!! "they come back to you."

(and Donald trump just turned up his stereo) the chorus is playing (sing it with me now) "dream on!! dream on!! dream on!!!"

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Russia has been indicted on CRIMINAL activities. At this point the Trump team better pray the only thing Mueller finds is collusion.

what a silly rabbit.

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I think at this point we should hear from some of the observers and readers of this thread. And get some feedback. what say you in regards to myself and Nate being the only guys telling the truth in this thread. What say you, casual observers and readers? Are you satidfied in the truth and fairness and balance reported to you by SD20? And are you pertubed at all from the lies and disinformation from pointgog, gtn to name a few?

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Conservatives from Hannity and the RNC on down are conveniently ignoring the fact that this is just one indictment from an investigation that is still ongoing. The indictment indicates that Trump-associated political operatives were unwitting participants in this specific series of alleged criminal activities. It does not say that the illegal actions it describes encompass the entirety of the Russian election-meddling campaign. There very well may be more indictments on the way, and they could be related to known instances of Russian interference that today’s indictment didn’t touch on at all: the hacking of the DNC’s emails, the July 2016 Trump Tower meeting, etc.

Exactly what I was sayin

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Conservatives from Hannity and the RNC on down are conveniently ignoring the fact that this is just one indictment from an investigation that is still ongoing. The indictment indicates that Trump-associated political operatives were unwitting participants in this specific series of alleged criminal activities. It does not say that the illegal actions it describes encompass the entirety of the Russian election-meddling campaign. There very well may be more indictments on the way, and they could be related to known instances of Russian interference that today’s indictment didn’t touch on at all: the hacking of the DNC’s emails, the July 2016 Trump Tower meeting, etc.

Exactly what I was sayin

This is actually bad news for Trumpsters. Anyone on his team could be brought up on conspiracy charges for actively engaging with the Russians. Bannon, Papa, Flynn, Gates are all cooperating with Mueller. If they had nothing to give Mueller and if there was no wrongdoing then why would they work with Mueller?

Remember Cambridge Analytica

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The question is when and no long will Kushner be ousted from the White House and how many more will join him in the Exodus.

The document, titled “Improvements to the clearance process,” is addressed to McGahn and national security adviser H.R. McMaster. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and FBI Director Christopher A. Wray are copied.

The memo says the FBI and Justice Department have offered their cooperation with Kelly’s requests in recent days, and that “going forward, all [background investigations] of potential Commissioned Officers should be flagged for the FBI at the outset and then hand-delivered to the White House Counsel personally upon completion. The FBI official who delivers these files should verbally brief the White House Counsel on any information in those files they deem to be significantly derogatory.”

“Effective one week today, discontinue any Top Secret or SCI-level interim clearances for individuals whose investigations or adjudications have been pending since June 1, 2017 or before,” the memo states as one of the White House’s new guidelines.

How it was developed, some critical aspects of the plan such as the fact that funding will be available to private entities, that large amounts of discretion will be given to the Trump administration to choose projects they will award,” [Policy Director] Ciorciari said as examples. “So the plan itself is concerning.”

The plan appears to be a “big grab bag for private companies that want to make a buck out of the American people and their water bill,” Corrigan added…..”We think it’s important that the American people are able to, as legally required, have some light on what’s going on in an office that is operating behind closed doors,” Ciorciari said.

Attorney Karianne Jones, who is representing both groups, told Newsweek that the office is obligated to comply with the Freedom of Information Act because it is engaging in “agency-type work.”

Another concern, Ciorciari said, is that Kushner has been allowed to work with only interim security clearance.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/16/1742092/-Jared-Kushner-s-Been-Sued-By-Three-Watchdog-Groups-May-Lose-Security-Clearance-Anyhow-Due-To-Kelly

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Have the Republicans lost the women vote for a generation or more!
Really interesting question it relates to LBJ knowing the Democrats had lost the southern white vote by passing the Civil Rights Act.

n the Congress that passed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, the eleven former Confederate states—Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia—had a total of 128 senators and representatives, of whom 115 were white Democrats…...(By 2011), however, it seems that white Southern Democrats have met their Appomattox: they will account for just 24 of the South's 155 senators and congressmen in the incoming Congress. The delegations from Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina held only white Democrats in 1963; when the new Congress convenes next January, they will have none.

Angry white men will have something to be angry about. The country is becoming more diverse. Women have become energized not only to vote, but also to run for office. The oft-predicted "blue wave" will surely have a tinge of pink. And moderate Republicans who have been abandoned by pirates from the right may be looking for safer harbor.

The Republicans have been poor at recruiting women and the ones then do are in most cases as reprehensible as Republican men. Sarah Palin as the VP candidate is a perfect example of what cranks a Republican libido.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/16/1740682/-Highjacked-Republicans-may-have-lost-a-generation-of-women-voters-and-their-party

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This is actually bad news for Trumpsters. Anyone on his team could be brought up on conspiracy charges for actively engaging with the Russians. Bannon, Papa, Flynn, Gates are all cooperating with Mueller. If they had nothing to give Mueller and if there was no wrongdoing then why would they work with Mueller?

Remember Cambridge Analytica

Exactly. It is bad news for Trumpeters because the factual basis for these indictments cannot be dismissed, smeared, or somehow used against that evil Deep State FBI. If Mueller has the goods to tie any of these guys to this criminal endeavor, it is going to come out and no amount of crazy spin from the right-wing echo chamber will be able to spin it. Let's see them try to make this about poor Carter Page again.

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Duh and spin, the propaganda effort was meant to be as disruptive as-possible, but the primary beneficiary of the Russian effort was DJT. There was no Russian effort to seriously get Hillary elected, Putin feared her.

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I'd encourage people to actually read through the indictment.

For all the hysterics over Russia hacking the election over the last 18 months, the activity that's laid out in the indictment is surprisingly trivial in scale and scope. The indictment is written in a way to make the Russian troll effort look like a big deal, but the money involved is very small compared with what the campaigns and parties spent. They set up some fake social media accounts. Bought a couple thousand dollars worth of FB ads. Helped set up some minor rallies for Trump, did things against Rubio and Cruz as well as Clinton, and tried to help Bernie and Jill Stein. Just about all the activities they engaged in would be legal if they were undertaken by Americans, except of course for the identity theft that was necessary for them to pose as Americans.

I'm very open to believing that Trump is compromised by the Russians (is anything the Russians have on Trump more compromising than what's actually come out in the last few weeks?), is getting paid off, is trading favorable policy positions on Russia for money or whatever, etc.

Maybe Mueller will find something with Cambridge Analytica, or Deustche Bank payments, or something else.

But nothing we've seen so far gets anywhere close to that or really gets close to implicating Trump in something criminal. If anyone from the Trump campaign was actively conspiring with these Russians, we would know. Their communications would be intercepted, the case would be made, and they would have been arrested today.

Manafort and Gates are accused of shady stuff that predates their involvement with Trump. Flynn and Papadopoulos pled guilty to lying to the FBI about meetings that were probably legal. Plus, there are some interesting recent developments in the Flynn case, raising the possibility that it might be dismissed.

If all Mueller has are the Steele dossier, the Trump Tower meeting, and an obstruction case based on Trump firing Comey and stuff he spouted off to people in the White House, that's problematic for those who are counting on this to get rid of Trump.

Again, we don't know what Mueller has. Until today, I thought it was likely that they at least had something that ties Trump to shady business deals involving Russians. But looking at this indictment today, I'm starting to think that maybe they don't have anything beyond the stuff that's out there that's falling apart.

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I'd encourage people to actually read through the indictment.

For all the hysterics over Russia hacking the election over the last 18 months, the activity that's laid out in the indictment is surprisingly trivial in scale and scope. The indictment is written in a way to make the Russian troll effort look like a big deal, but the money involved is very small compared with what the campaigns and parties spent. They set up some fake social media accounts. Bought a couple thousand dollars worth of FB ads. Helped set up some minor rallies for Trump, did things against Rubio and Cruz as well as Clinton, and tried to help Bernie and Jill Stein. Just about all the activities they engaged in would be legal if they were undertaken by Americans, except of course for the identity theft that was necessary for them to pose as Americans.

I'm very open to believing that Trump is compromised by the Russians (is anything the Russians have on Trump more compromising than what's actually come out in the last few weeks?), is getting paid off, is trading favorable policy positions on Russia for money or whatever, etc.

Maybe Mueller will find something with Cambridge Analytica, or Deustche Bank payments, or something else.

But nothing we've seen so far gets anywhere close to that or really gets close to implicating Trump in something criminal. If anyone from the Trump campaign was actively conspiring with these Russians, we would know. Their communications would be intercepted, the case would be made, and they would have been arrested today.

Manafort and Gates are accused of shady stuff that predates their involvement with Trump. Flynn and Papadopoulos pled guilty to lying to the FBI about meetings that were probably legal. Plus, there are some interesting recent developments in the Flynn case, raising the possibility that it might be dismissed.

If all Mueller has are the Steele dossier, the Trump Tower meeting, and an obstruction case based on Trump firing Comey and stuff he spouted off to people in the White House, that's problematic for those who are counting on this to get rid of Trump.

Again, we don't know what Mueller has. Until today, I thought it was likely that they at least had something that ties Trump to shady business deals involving Russians. But looking at this indictment today, I'm starting to think that maybe they don't have anything beyond the stuff that's out there that's falling apart.

great post. i nominate this post for the hall of fame!!!!

i would add that today Rosenstein mentioned 1 million dollars. His exacts words were "more than 1 million."

which means definately less than 2 million or else he would have said more than 2 million. For comparison sakes, HRC/DNC spent $560 million. facebook and twitter has already testified that the ad money spent was less $50,000.00.

The level of rediculousness in all of this is far beyond rotflmfao!! its rotflmfaowjomf (while jizzing on my...well we dont hgave to go there).

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