We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[Robot Rock]

I appreciate that we've given MKG five seasons to prove himself and Biz got four. Monk, however, gets two months. Reasonable.

[DY_nasty]

also i've never even heard of a rookie at monk's size being even an average defender

[Robot Rock]

Hoops Malone is to Malik Monk what leoluvinliberal was to Kemba Walker.

[BeesWax]

I'd never completely write a guy off as a 19 year old rookie. But Monk is as close as you can come to a total lost cause at the 2 guard.

He's one of the worst defenders in the entire NBA. He's been brutal offensively, but I think those skills will come with time as he shouldn't be shooting this poorly. It just takes time to adjust to the NBA line. Your depth perception/muscle memory is off with the different markings on the court. These are all arenas not gyms. It's common for guys not to shoot well.

But i just don't think he can defend in the NBA. We are going to need to pair him with a SG who can guard the opposing PG (think MCW but someone who doesnt suck so hard) so that we can hide Monk on defense where he is hot garbage.

I think you mean a PG who can guard an opposing SG. Sort of the way they handled Iverson in Philly. Big PGs that he can play off of and that will guard SGs on the other end.

[KembaWalker]

Hoops Malone is to Malik Monk what leoluvinliberal was to Kemba Walker.

Dang I had forgotten that guy. Lmao

[Liver_Pooty]

I appreciate that we've given MKG five seasons to prove himself and Biz got four. Monk, however, gets two months. Reasonable.

This is actually one of the more valid points on here lately.

[HoopsMalone]

I'd never completely write a guy off as a 19 year old rookie. But Monk is as close as you can come to a total lost cause at the 2 guard.

He's one of the worst defenders in the entire NBA. He's been brutal offensively, but I think those skills will come with time as he shouldn't be shooting this poorly. It just takes time to adjust to the NBA line. Your depth perception/muscle memory is off with the different markings on the court. These are all arenas not gyms. It's common for guys not to shoot well.

But i just don't think he can defend in the NBA. We are going to need to pair him with a SG who can guard the opposing PG (think MCW but someone who doesnt suck so hard) so that we can hide Monk on defense where he is hot garbage.

I think you mean a PG who can guard an opposing SG. Sort of the way they handled Iverson in Philly. Big PGs that he can play off of and that will guard SGs on the other end.

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

[BeesWax]

I'd never completely write a guy off as a 19 year old rookie. But Monk is as close as you can come to a total lost cause at the 2 guard.

He's one of the worst defenders in the entire NBA. He's been brutal offensively, but I think those skills will come with time as he shouldn't be shooting this poorly. It just takes time to adjust to the NBA line. Your depth perception/muscle memory is off with the different markings on the court. These are all arenas not gyms. It's common for guys not to shoot well.

But i just don't think he can defend in the NBA. We are going to need to pair him with a SG who can guard the opposing PG (think MCW but someone who doesnt suck so hard) so that we can hide Monk on defense where he is hot garbage.

I think you mean a PG who can guard an opposing SG. Sort of the way they handled Iverson in Philly. Big PGs that he can play off of and that will guard SGs on the other end.

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think you mean a PG who can guard an opposing SG. Sort of the way they handled Iverson in Philly. Big PGs that he can play off of and that will guard SGs on the other end.

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

To be fair watching Monk try to guard Westbrook or any of the elite pgs would make me physically sick

[BeesWax]

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

To be fair watching Monk try to guard Westbrook or any of the elite pgs would make me physically sick

But how much worse would it be if he was trying to guard and elite SG that he was losing 4 to 6 inches to. Right now his defense is bad across the board but he has a much better shot against guys his size than giving away a ton of height and mass.

[HoopsMalone]

I think you mean a PG who can guard an opposing SG. Sort of the way they handled Iverson in Philly. Big PGs that he can play off of and that will guard SGs on the other end.

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

Did you even read what i wrote? No. It's the exact opposite of that.

[BeesWax]

No I meant exactly what I said. Having a large human guard the opposing point guard is becoming almost a necessity. If the large human can't slow the center down in the PNR and get back into position to contest a floater, drive, or pullup then he is essentially worthless. This is why we are seeing large PG's like Lonzo Ball, and Ben Simmons be so successful defensively this year.

Playing a small guy against the opponents main ball handler is a disaster waiting to happen. You can hide him all day on a non scoring threat wing but the second he becomes involved in the PNR he's a giant liability.

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

Did you even read what i wrote? No. It's the exact opposite of that.

Then I completely disagree because putting Monk on a SG is literally the worst case scenario. He needs to defend the PG while we have a big PG to defense the SG in order for us to have any chance to stop anyone. While he needs to improve his defense to be able to do this putting him on a much bigger cover will assure he fails every game.

[Rich4114]

Can’t you overcome individual defensive flaws with a better team defense or more zone? I feel we are bad collectively at man on man defense anyway. Without Monk seeing the floor, guys are constantly creating space with screens or getting into the paint. Monk doesn’t seem like he would make that any worse than it already is but provide a better offensive output once he can settle down and take better shots.

[MasterIchiro]

He's a project but at least not a bust like MKG and Frank. Man, Cody is a role player as well picked at #4. Biz and Vonleh both role players.

How long did some of you cling to Biz and MKG and how badly did you flip about Cliff's usage of Vonleh?

And now you're down on Monk?

Haha, one of you in particular rode YMCAPJ's jock for like 2 years.

[catch20two]

He's a project but at least not a bust like MKG and Frank. Man, Cody is a role player as well picked at #4. Biz and Vonleh both role players.

How long did some of you cling to Biz and MKG and how badly did you flip about Cliff's usage of Vonleh?

And now you're down on Monk?

Haha, one of you in particular rode YMCAPJ's jock for like 2 years.

Eh they gave Kemba their ass to kiss for almost 5 years. I think they’re just allergic to nice things.

[MasterIchiro]

I forgot Cho traded Shabazz Napier for PJ. How stupid was that? I was at the arena when Napier was drafted and I went berserk. Cho tricked me.

[MasterIchiro]

He's a project but at least not a bust like MKG and Frank. Man, Cody is a role player as well picked at #4. Biz and Vonleh both role players.

How long did some of you cling to Biz and MKG and how badly did you flip about Cliff's usage of Vonleh?

And now you're down on Monk?

Haha, one of you in particular rode YMCAPJ's jock for like 2 years.

Eh they gave Kemba their ass to kiss for almost 5 years. I think they’re just allergic to nice things.

Game threads consisted of mods (Slam) bashing Kemba relentlessly while sucking up to Gerald Henderson and MKG. This place seems intent on rooting against the thing they should be rooting for. A few insisted Kemba was gonna work hard and continue to get better. And I think Kemba's right about Monk. You can't teach his knack for shooting and scoring. Eventually he will become a star.

[HoopsMalone]

You said you need a SG who can guard an opponents PG. Monk is plenty tall for a PG what he isn't is tall for a SG. We need Monk on PGs on defense and playing SG on offense. We need a large PG to guard the opposing SG to Monk can take the PG.

Did you even read what i wrote? No. It's the exact opposite of that.

Then I completely disagree because putting Monk on a SG is literally the worst case scenario. He needs to defend the PG while we have a big PG to defense the SG in order for us to have any chance to stop anyone. While he needs to improve his defense to be able to do this putting him on a much bigger cover will assure he fails every game.

It's the opposite of what you are saying. You are talking about the 1990's and I'm discussing modern basketball.

[BeesWax]

Did you even read what i wrote? No. It's the exact opposite of that.

Then I completely disagree because putting Monk on a SG is literally the worst case scenario. He needs to defend the PG while we have a big PG to defense the SG in order for us to have any chance to stop anyone. While he needs to improve his defense to be able to do this putting him on a much bigger cover will assure he fails every game.

It's the opposite of what you are saying. You are talking about the 1990's and I'm discussing modern basketball.

I am talking about today. I would much rather have him on Curry than Thompson. He would have a 100% better chance to slow down someone his size than he would someone killing him in length. In the modern NBA it is about mismatches and he is terrible mismatched against any position but SG. If you are right and he can't guard a PG then we need to trade him now because it only gets worse as you move him to another position.

[HoopsMalone]

Then I completely disagree because putting Monk on a SG is literally the worst case scenario. He needs to defend the PG while we have a big PG to defense the SG in order for us to have any chance to stop anyone. While he needs to improve his defense to be able to do this putting him on a much bigger cover will assure he fails every game.

It's the opposite of what you are saying. You are talking about the 1990's and I'm discussing modern basketball.

I am talking about today. I would much rather have him on Curry than Thompson. He would have a 100% better chance to slow down someone his size than he would someone killing him in length. In the modern NBA it is about mismatches and he is terrible mismatched against any position but SG. If you are right and he can't guard a PG then we need to trade him now because it only gets worse as you move him to another position.

I disagree 1000%