Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[cammac]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.

“I’m not running against the president, I’m running against Rick Saccone,” Lamb likes to say, pivoting to a litany of his opponent’s shortcomings. “He votes against education funding, he voted against Narcan, the thing that saves people’s lives, and he’s gonna have some explaining about his support for Paul Ryan, who now wants to come after Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

[cammac]

In my posts I try to not always follow the daily topics and this is a more obscure in emerging trade policies by Trump. Let me preface by saying that China does dump tremendous amounts of steel and aluminum into the world market because of overcapacity a mostly government owned facilities.

Ross said that the measures would boost US aluminum and steel capacity utilization rates — essentially, how much they produce. But observers said it could have a number of unintended consequences, including driving up prices for companies that use a lot of aluminum or steel, such as the auto industry, and unintentionally harm US allies, such as Canada, Brazil, and South Korea, which import steel to the US as well. They also say they could set off a trade war.

Let me give a example the best selling Vehicle in North America is the Ford F150
The F-150 is assembled at plants in Dearborn, Mich., and Kansas City, Mo., and the Super-Duty F-series is produced at a factory near Louisville, Ky. Ford also announced recently that it is moving production of its medium-duty F-series trucks from Mexico to Ohio.
Ford has used Aluminum extensively in the F Series and with tariffs those jobs could easily be moved to Canada and Mexico.
It is like the tariff on solar panels wasn't just targeted at China but many other countries like Canada! The American officials are inept when it comes to trade. Prime example is NAFTA with demands no soverign nation with dignity would accept.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/17/17023400/trump-might-be-close-to-escalating-a-trade-fight-with-china

[nate33]

I find it strange that Nate and SD20 were up in arms over the Nunes Memo and were all weepy eyed over poor Carter Page. This week Mueller in essence destroys the Memo and say the Russian interference is a nothing burger. What Mueller uncovered is likely only the tip of the iceberg what he knows and was just a sample of his strategic thinking versus the BINGO played at the White House. Trump won the election but it was with significant foreign interference. Did it help turn the tide in Wisconsin, Michigan & Pennsylvania it is impossible to determine. But nothing has been done to countermeasure this aggression as was indicated by the Russian bots supporting the Nunes Memo and lack of firewalls for the upcoming 2018 and 2020 election cycles.

Significant foreign interference? Are you even paying attention?

The Russians funded a bunch of Twitter bots who had 1 5000th of 1% the funding of the Clinton campaign. And their ads weren't even solely for Trump. Some were for Clinton, some were for Bernie, some were for Stein. And most of their purchases took place AFTER the election! You guys need to come back to Realville. The Russians did not tip this election. Not even close.

And how did Mueller destroy the Nunes memo? Mueller's indictments are for a dozen Twitter trolls. The Nunes memo talks about deliberate misrepresentation of facts to a FISA judge in order to obtain a FISA warrant to wiretap the opposing political party during an election campaign.

[cammac]

Sorry Nate & SD20 even the weasel Limbaugh knows that Trumps claims of vindication are false and playing into Muellers hands.

Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh on Sunday cautioned President Trump against claiming vindication in the Russia investigation, arguing that could get him into trouble down the road.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/374440-limbaugh-warns-trump-not-to-claim-hes-vindicated-by-mueller

[nate33]

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best
Rob Goldstone

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

Rob Goldstone's emails to Don Jr.. Subsequently, the infamous Trump Tower meeting took place.

So we are expected to believe that Don Jr. never told his dad about the Russian effort to help his dad. Just the email exchanges and subsequent Tower meeting, Republican's would have had Hillary's head on a stake in-front of the Capital if she had done this.

Why hasn't Trump enacted the Russian sanctions in retaliation yet?

Just waiting to see if Mueller will be able to fill-in the final gaps in this treasonous timeline.

Even if Donald Trump knew about the meeting it's not treason. It's not treason to have a meeting with someone who is offering dirt on your political opponent. It's treason to give them a quid pro quo. There was no quid pro quo AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY POLITICAL DIRT!!!!

[cammac]

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

We are taking Donald Jr. word for this ....get serious Nate:

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best
Rob Goldstone

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

Rob Goldstone's emails to Don Jr.. Subsequently, the infamous Trump Tower meeting took place.

So we are expected to believe that Don Jr. never told his dad about the Russian effort to help his dad. Just the email exchanges and subsequent Tower meeting, Republican's would have had Hillary's head on a stake in-front of the Capital if she had done this.

Why hasn't Trump enacted the Russian sanctions in retaliation yet?

Just waiting to see if Mueller will be able to fill-in the final gaps in this treasonous timeline.

Even if Donald Trump knew about the meeting it's not treason. It's not treason to have a meeting with someone who is offering dirt on your political opponent. It's treason to give them a quid pro quo. There was no quid pro quo AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY POLITICAL DIRT!!!!

[Wizardspride]

We shall see...

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[Pointgod]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.

“I’m not running against the president, I’m running against Rick Saccone,” Lamb likes to say, pivoting to a litany of his opponent’s shortcomings. “He votes against education funding, he voted against Narcan, the thing that saves people’s lives, and he’s gonna have some explaining about his support for Paul Ryan, who now wants to come after Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

And this is where you lose the far left of the party unfortunately.

[cammac]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.

“I’m not running against the president, I’m running against Rick Saccone,” Lamb likes to say, pivoting to a litany of his opponent’s shortcomings. “He votes against education funding, he voted against Narcan, the thing that saves people’s lives, and he’s gonna have some explaining about his support for Paul Ryan, who now wants to come after Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

And this is where you lose the far left of the party unfortunately.

I tend to disagree any party can't be monolithic and I don't agree with the far left of the Democratic Party as represented by Bernie Sanders. While I would love to have a beer with Bernie and argue well into the night I feel his platform is economically unsound. He is further to the left than the N.D.P. (New Democratic Party) in Canada. While he worships a Utopian USA reality sucks and you can turn a socially backward country in one fell swoop. The transformation must be done gradually healthcare & social security are the 2 most important social programs that need to be transfixed. Both have costs to all of American society likely higher costs to American Workers & Businesses in the case of social security to make it actuarial stable. Health Care is eliminating the current cost drivers which will be upsetting the establishment for both parties. The Democratic Party in essence must turn into the party of fiscal reason and people like Lamb are better able to make that transformation than Bernie does.

[verbal8]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.

“I’m not running against the president, I’m running against Rick Saccone,” Lamb likes to say, pivoting to a litany of his opponent’s shortcomings. “He votes against education funding, he voted against Narcan, the thing that saves people’s lives, and he’s gonna have some explaining about his support for Paul Ryan, who now wants to come after Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

And this is where you lose the far left of the party unfortunately.

This is one area where I hope the Democrats do a better job than the Republicans.
They can't let the liberal end become the alternate tea party.
In this district private anti-abortion/public acknowledgement of legal abortion rights is very likely the most liberal position that will get elected. Insisting on more is political suicide and/or will leave the party unable to govern.

This is a very interesting district to watch, if Lamb gets within the low single digits, I think the Republicans are in trouble in November. It shows they are vulnerable in every district. Guys like Nunes are probably in trouble even if demographics look solidly on their side. I don't know that retaining the seat for a few months really helps much.

[gtn130]

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best
Rob Goldstone

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/07/politics/donald-trump-jr-full-emails/

Rob Goldstone's emails to Don Jr.. Subsequently, the infamous Trump Tower meeting took place.

So we are expected to believe that Don Jr. never told his dad about the Russian effort to help his dad. Just the email exchanges and subsequent Tower meeting, Republican's would have had Hillary's head on a stake in-front of the Capital if she had done this.

Why hasn't Trump enacted the Russian sanctions in retaliation yet?

Just waiting to see if Mueller will be able to fill-in the final gaps in this treasonous timeline.

Even if Donald Trump knew about the meeting it's not treason. It's not treason to have a meeting with someone who is offering dirt on your political opponent. It's treason to give them a quid pro quo. There was no quid pro quo AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY POLITICAL DIRT!!!!

How do you know there was no quid pro quo offer?

[dckingsfan]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.

“I’m not running against the president, I’m running against Rick Saccone,” Lamb likes to say, pivoting to a litany of his opponent’s shortcomings. “He votes against education funding, he voted against Narcan, the thing that saves people’s lives, and he’s gonna have some explaining about his support for Paul Ryan, who now wants to come after Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

And this is where you lose the far left of the party unfortunately.

I thought it was about voting D regardless? Puzzled

[closg00]

Even if Donald Trump knew about the meeting it's not treason. It's not treason to have a meeting with someone who is offering dirt on your political opponent. It's treason to give them a quid pro quo. There was no quid pro quo AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY POLITICAL DIRT!!!!

If it is proven that Trump knew about the meeting and approved the Russian efforts to help him, politically, he is finished, and it would certainly be treasonous to support a foreign governments attack on the U.S. election system for his own benefit, wouldn't it Nate?

As evidenced by the criminal indictments, I wouldn't rule-out criminal charges for being complicit, in being aware of a foreign governments attack on our election system.

Re: a quid pro quo, there is plenty of evidence of exactly that. On Dec 29 Flynn is on a wiretap with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak discussing the sanctions that Obama was putting into place for the Russian interference.

One day after these phone calls, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he wouldn't retaliate against the United States and wouldn't impose new tit-for-tat sanctions -- puzzling officials in Washington.
Later that day, Trump praised this announcement on Twitter, throwing a compliment to the Russian leader: "Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"
When Flynn's calls were first revealed earlier this year, White House officials insisted the conversations did not include sanctions — including denials that Vice President Mike Pence and former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus later repeated on national television.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/flynn-russia-calls-breakdown/index.html


Flynn flipped and he sang for Mueller about all of this. Priebus also spoke to Mueller about all of this^

Questions for Trump apologists.

1. Why has DJT never condemned Russia for their attack on our democracy when he'll attack and name-call anyone else not named Vladimir Putin?

2. Why hasn't Trump enacted the Russian sanctions voted on overwhelmingly in the House & Senate?

DJT behaves exactly like someone who is under the total control of and beholden to, a foreign government, it's all going to come out.

[FAH1223]

Refreshing to hear about the Muller investigation on outlets that are not CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.

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[FAH1223]

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Kinda funny. Bernie accidentally misspoke & at one point in his comments mixed up the Republicans with the Russians. Considering how the GOP has protected Trump & railed against the Mueller investigation of Russia, it's an understandable 'mistake'.

[stilldropin20]

This is really the first time (in recent history) that an outside interest has been successful at influencing an election. Shouldn't Trump be outraged by this? Shouldn't he be convening a HUGE effort to battle this?

How were they successful? Do you really think the Twitter trolls had an impact? Russia spent a few hundred thousand on our election. Clinton spent 1.2 billion.

And if you are referring to the DNC hacks, I'm still waiting for real proof that it was the Russians. I'm extremely skeptical of taking the word of CrowdStrike on this issue. The DNC never let the FBI look at their server. I wonder why.

Interesting. So, your premise is that the Russians work was ineffective until proven otherwise. And that the vast sum that Clinton spent on the election overwhelmed the Russians work.

And yet there is some pretty good evidence that they moved the needle. Let's just say they didn't actually affect the outcome (that Hillary's poor campaign did that for her). But let's say that they are becoming more effective on a geometric basis affecting our (and our partners) elections.

That should still be full out defense mode. It makes Mueller seem like the guy to support, no?

per obama: "russian meddled. they did not affect the outcome." The entire intelligence community supports this.

and once again. we go back to obama. Why did he allow this to happen? closet clinton hater? if so, why?

[cammac]

How were they successful? Do you really think the Twitter trolls had an impact? Russia spent a few hundred thousand on our election. Clinton spent 1.2 billion.

And if you are referring to the DNC hacks, I'm still waiting for real proof that it was the Russians. I'm extremely skeptical of taking the word of CrowdStrike on this issue. The DNC never let the FBI look at their server. I wonder why.

Interesting. So, your premise is that the Russians work was ineffective until proven otherwise. And that the vast sum that Clinton spent on the election overwhelmed the Russians work.

And yet there is some pretty good evidence that they moved the needle. Let's just say they didn't actually affect the outcome (that Hillary's poor campaign did that for her). But let's say that they are becoming more effective on a geometric basis affecting our (and our partners) elections.

That should still be full out defense mode. It makes Mueller seem like the guy to support, no?

per obama: "russian meddled. they did not affect the outcome." The entire intelligence community supports this.

and once again. we go back to obama. Why did he allow this to happen? closet clinton hater? if so, why?

I think even your myopic little world the answer is obvious! He wanted who ever would become President to have credibility which is important in a democracy. He did apply sanctions against the Russians which obviously the Trump incoming Administration wanted to dismantle the sanctions. But instead of doing the right thing and convening a investigation the minions and Trump deigned the intervention and tried to put a invalid investigation on illegal voters instead.

SD20 you have exhausted your trick pony defenses and from being annoying you have become a travesty of delusion.

[FAH1223]

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Bruce Fein makes a good point. There's no extradition treaty between DC and Moscow. These people and entities indicted aren't going to face a trial here.

[stilldropin20]

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Bruce Fein makes a good point. There's no extradition treaty between DC and Moscow. These people and entities indicted aren't going to face a trial here.

Yeah, this was immediately reported by multiple state department legal analysts. That’s why Nate and I have been laughing at the “waiting for the next shoe to drop” based on these indictments. Because there will be no actual serious criminality follow up to these indictments. It was a show and a farce of a show at that.

Bernie, HRC, and Trump, and Ted Cruz, Marco spent over $3 trillion.

By comparison this big massive Russian scary and Rvssian scary scary scary spent a whopping between 1, million and 2 million I can’t get a straight answer from anyone In Justice. And this includes their infrastructure costs and paying people to do the work in Russia.

Facebook and Twitter have done their internal audits and opened up the servers to the FBI and intelligence networks and I’ve come up with somewhere between 50 and 150 K in ads.

If anyone thinks this affected the outcome of the voting results in anyway shape or form then I just don’t know what to tell that person.

Rosenstein just came out and said it did not affect the outcome of the election three days ago. he said it three times. Obama said it before he left office.

This whole investigation is a farce. A scare tactic. It's nothing more than a political witch on 2 fronts. against the GOP candidate by existing deep state officials as well as the entire DC elite not really liking the idea of an outside winning their biggest most prized office, the presidency. None of them have been happy about this. Only recently have the GOP truly warmed up to Trump. and Not all of them. its a tough office to win and a tough office to hold without a life time of political allies. In terms of Trump, this investigation is biggest nothing burger out of this entire election cycle was a Russian influence other than it will eventually exonerate him of collusion and at some point this investigation will fully turn on the illegal surveillance by a political opposition in power. Nate has been pointing out that intelligence agencies from all kinds of foreign States have been attempting to infiltrate foreign states since the beginning of elections. "Royalty" used to kill off their brothers, uncles, and cousins. Nothing has changed. the worst part is that "royals" and "foreigners" are fully allowed to entirely influence our election via wealth. Their is not much difference between a global company like Exxon, BP amaco, BoA, and global billionaires like Bezos. None at all. yet they influence not only our elections but the actual politicians while in office.

If the left and liberals want to get bent about any of this they should get bent that Obama let it happen to the point that it’s become a major talking points of the left from day one as an excuse as why they lost.

Never ever ever ever ever ever lose sight of the fact that the Russians did all this on Obama‘s watch not trumps. And again by” all this “ I do mean the whole whopping massive yuge 50 to 150 K ads on Facebook and and twitter and whole whopping massive 13 indicted Russians running some kind of bot farm on Facebook.

And this home bot farm thing is really funny that any of you guys believe that changed any minds because none of us have changed each other’s mind in any of these discussions. And we bring evidence and sound arguments


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[cammac]

SD20 is right about one thing in that he and Nate will not change any minds on this board with there hyperbole. But the real target audience isn't men but women they are going to be the deciding factor in the 2018 midterms and the 2020 Presidential elections. Even Steve Bannon knows this!

"The anti-patriarchy movement is going to undo ten thousand years of recorded history. You watch. The time has come.”

“Oprah might represent an existential threat to Trump's presidency if she decided to campaign for Democrats in 2018."

"This is a definitional moment in the culture. It'll never be the same going forward."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/17/1742410/-Steve-Bannon-tells-journalist-Women-are-going-to-take-charge-of-society

The other very voting segment that the Republicans should be worried about is a high turnout in the 18 to 28 year voting segment. They remind me of the 60's movement wanting to change the world. The speech given at the high school massacre by Emma Gonzalez was powerful and could be a rallying cry to denounce the outrageous acts of the NRA and the toads that take there money.

“All these people should be at home grieving,” she said. “But instead we are up here, standing together, because if all our government and president can do is send ‘thoughts and prayers,’ then it’s time for victims to be the change that we need to see.”

“If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a ‘terrible tragedy,’” she said, “I’m going to happily ask him how much money he received from the NRA.”

Listen to the link.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/17/1742324/-Wow-Marjory-Stoneman-Douglas-High-Survivor-Sophomore-Emma-Gonzales-Takes-It-to-Trump-GOP-and-NRA

Lastly maybe some attitudes have changed on the forum? I haven't seen a post from popper lately and had a feeling he was on the fence. Think maybe my experience with socialized medicine converted him but believe if it isn't the case he is questioning his Republican roots.