Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Manafort is done, will he roll on Trump is the question.

[stilldropin20]

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Manafort is done, will he roll on Trump is the question.

I sincerely doubt he has anything of any substance on trump.


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[closg00]

Manafort is done, will he roll on Trump is the question.

I sincerely doubt he has anything of any substance on trump.


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Manafort was at the infamous Trump Tower meeting, he also knows how and why the Republican Party platform on Ukraine was changed to be Putin friendly. The bottom line is that Manafort can speak to collusion, but he appears to be playing the long game here, waiting for a pardon.

[closg00]

Manafort is done, will he roll on Trump is the question.

I sincerely doubt he has anything of any substance on trump.


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Manafort was at the infamous Trump Tower meeting, he also knows how and why the Republican Party platform on Ukraine was changed to be Putin friendly. The bottom line is that Manafort can speak to collusion, but he appears to be playing the long game here, waiting for a pardon.

[closg00]

Dp

[stilldropin20]

Manafort is done, will he roll on Trump is the question.

I sincerely doubt he has anything of any substance on trump.


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Manafort was at the infamous Trump Tower meeting, he also knows how and why the Republican Party platform on Ukraine was changed to be Putin friendly. The bottom line is that Manafort can speak to collusion, but he appears to be playing the long game here, waiting for a pardon.

Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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[nate33]

Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

[Pointgod]

The next federal Special Election is in March in PA18 a bastion for the Republican Party where Trump won by 20% +. Yet with a recent poll it is within error the Democrats have a young articulate moderate candidate Conor Lamb is running a smooth campaign like Doug Jones did but in predominantly white seat.

He is running against the Trump before Trump Rick Saccone who is having millions dumped in the election by Super Pacs, RNC and visits by both Pence and Trump. Voter enthusiasm is much higher with Democrats than Republicans making this a tight race.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/18/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-profile-217018

And this is where you lose the far left of the party unfortunately.

I thought it was about voting D regardless? Puzzled

That should be the case but bitterness is a helluva thing.

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Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

That's why last week the Russian Wagners with Syrian & Iranian Troops attacked USA & Kurdish forces in Syria. The reality is that Obama and Allies already had ISIS on the run and as of today there is still mop up operations going on. Co-operation the only co-operation was USA warning the Syrians & Russians they were going to destroy a Syrian Airfield so they could get munitions and planes out.

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Haha, yes, wait until you find out dozens of US congressmen are Israeli citizens! I’ll be expecting an FBI investigation.

Let’s weigh 13 Russian trolls against AIPAC’s influence.

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lobbying is a huge issue but it isn't illegal. People need to stop conflating the two subjects. Putting bias aside, imagine if Iran was running a spy operation on US soil with the intent to help elect President Hillary Clinton. I'm guessing nobody would be calling this a nothing burger.

[stilldropin20]

Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

exactly. as former navy and fiscal budget hawk, words can not express how awful i felt about obama killing the chances of the Trump working with Putin to crush ISIS. because it would inevitably cost more lives, more bombs, more money. and take more time. With russia it should have cost us less. and by less i do include less PTSD on our troops for putting them in conflict.

And with the swoop of the pen, 1 week before trump takes office. Boom. Russian sanctions. Combined with a complete bullcrap narrative of russian collusion. All of which was meant to neuter trumps foreign policy with Russia to defeat ISIS.

And I think trump was going to make Putin the "bad cop" in the middle and Putin was game. Instead of "america" being the bad guy, russia could have been made the bad guy. And maybe this entire first year could have been extremely different if trump was fighting off the bogus collusion narrative. I mean from the day he took office the entire main stream media called his election a hoax, not only affected by russian meddling but indeed collusion on Trumps part. All of which were lies designed to tarnigh and impede his presidency and his america first agenda.

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amazing article. must read. very objective.

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Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

Why isn't he implementing the sanctions mandated by congress(on a near unanimous vote)?

[stilldropin20]

Even if Donald Trump knew about the meeting it's not treason. It's not treason to have a meeting with someone who is offering dirt on your political opponent. It's treason to give them a quid pro quo. There was no quid pro quo AND THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY POLITICAL DIRT!!!!

1. If it is proven that Trump knew about the meeting and approved the Russian efforts to help him, politically, he is finished, and it would certainly be treasonous to support a foreign governments attack on the U.S. election system for his own benefit, wouldn't it Nate?

As evidenced by the criminal indictments, I wouldn't rule-out criminal charges for being complicit, in being aware of a foreign governments attack on our election system.

Re: a quid pro quo, there is plenty of evidence of exactly that. On Dec 29 Flynn is on a wiretap with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak discussing the sanctions that Obama was putting into place for the Russian interference.

One day after these phone calls, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he wouldn't retaliate against the United States and wouldn't impose new tit-for-tat sanctions -- puzzling officials in Washington.
Later that day, Trump praised this announcement on Twitter, throwing a compliment to the Russian leader: "Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"
When Flynn's calls were first revealed earlier this year, White House officials insisted the conversations did not include sanctions — including denials that Vice President Mike Pence and former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus later repeated on national television.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/flynn-russia-calls-breakdown/index.html


Flynn flipped and he sang for Mueller about all of this. Priebus also spoke to Mueller about all of this^

Questions for Trump apologists.

1. Why has DJT never condemned Russia for their attack on our democracy when he'll attack and name-call anyone else not named Vladimir Putin?

2. Why hasn't Trump enacted the Russian sanctions voted on overwhelmingly in the House & Senate?

DJT behaves exactly like someone who is under the total control of and beholden to, a foreign government, it's all going to come out.

1. (bold)Dont think it matters.
2. Quid pro quou would need to show that DOnald trump personal benefits. If the "USA" benefits that's not quid pro quo, silly. thats called good policy. lol
3. trump has not even taken a public salary. So at this point he is not even being paid. lol he is literally doing charity work for the citizens of the united states.
4.and this thing has been white hot since days after the election. There is NO WAY he or anyone at Trump tower is dumb enough to do anything that even resembles a quid pro quo.

so, wild goose chase. sad.

[stilldropin20]

Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

Why isn't he implementing the sanctions mandated by congress(on a near unanimous vote)?

this keeps getting asked. I am going to offer my opinion.

First, some reasonable logic: Trump clearly does NOT want to get "boxed in" with russia. He sees everything through the lens of a business man and he understands that wars and conflicts are costly both in lives, dollars, soft branding PR, and eventually votes, which can cost elections. So he clearly want(ed) to share the burden of those costs with Russia.

My opinion: Trump wants to also talk to Putin and get Putin's version of what happened in the Uranium One deal because i truly believe he would love to lock up HRC or any bad players. i think he wants to talk bigger diplomacy with Putin like how Putin weaned himself off of the (Rothschild/big 4) central banking system. And I think trump understands that seizing and state controlling oil and energy was key to weaning itself off of central banking. and if trump can dig up some dirt on obama, i think trump would love to leak it.

[nate33]

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This!

The notion that Russia tipped the scales in this election is so absurd. Do you realize how much foreign money goes into politics? Do you realize how much Clinton got from the Saudi's and Israel? Russia is a freaking drop in the bucket.

This is why the Trump/Russia collusion thing is properly characterized as a witch hunt.

If the government spent this much time and energy investigating every candidate in every election (particularly if they used the awesome powers of the NSA), they would find that every candidate was assisted by foreign operators. Moreover, those foreign operators assisted them because they believed that the candidate's political positions would be advantageous to those foreign operators. That's not quid pro quo. That's politics. You donate to candidates that further your goals.

[nate33]

Trump was Russia friendly since the beginning . Specifically to team up with Russia to defeat Isis.


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Exactly. And this is also the reason Trump was against Obama's sanctions. It's not a quid pro quo. Its that Trump has bigger things to worry about like ending the war in Syria so more troops don't die.

That's why last week the Russian Wagners with Syrian & Iranian Troops attacked USA & Kurdish forces in Syria. The reality is that Obama and Allies already had ISIS on the run and as of today there is still mop up operations going on. Co-operation the only co-operation was USA warning the Syrians & Russians they were going to destroy a Syrian Airfield so they could get munitions and planes out.

There's a lot more to it than this. Obama kept bombing Assad forces who were killing ISIS. Trump put a stop to that.