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ReasonablySober wrote:Tfence92 wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Hinkie was great at stockpiling assets. Ainge is great at stockpiling assets AND turning them into tangible value.
Other than trading for Kyrie, what exactly has he done with all those assets...?
Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum seem like good players.
M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Tfence92 wrote:
Other than trading for Kyrie, what exactly has he done with all those assets...?
Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum seem like good players.
I've been very skeptical of Ainge being much of a GM, but I don't know how you can look at what they have done and not be impressed.
Ron Swanson wrote:How can we not use the draft? Brown and Tatum look like they could both be future All-Stars. Trading the Brooklyn pick for another All-Star in Kyrie counts the same to me as hitting on that pick anyways, then having the cap room to grab two more in free agency with Hayward and Horford. I was even an Ainge skeptic until this season, but what he's done rebuilding the Celtics is pretty much the textbook blueprint of a successful rebuild. Sam Hinkie put all his eggs in the draft basket and it was a mixed bag of good and terrible.
Tfence92 wrote:M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum seem like good players.
I've been very skeptical of Ainge being much of a GM, but I don't know how you can look at what they have done and not be impressed.
They gave created a great roster, but I don't see how everyone makes Ainge out to be a god.
He fleeced the **** out of Brooklyn like a decade ago, and it still reaping those benefits.
He signed Horford, he hit on back to back top 3 picks, he signed Hayward, and then he made a great trade for Kyrie. What he has accomplished is very nice, but it's not like this guy is making shrewd under the radar moves that turn out great, he's doing what a GM should... signing big names and hitting on very high draft picks.
M-C-G wrote:Ainge was at a tipping point around the time they drafted Brown, everything since then has been pretty spot on including passing on a what appeared to be a consensus player in Fultz that looks like a mess and Tatum is looking solid getting PT on a young team right now.
He had plenty of misses, but overall Ainge has basically played his hand exactly like a consensus RealGM f=21 board would. Hard to argue against where they are at and the moves they have made.
chonestown wrote:Tfence92 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
I've been very skeptical of Ainge being much of a GM, but I don't know how you can look at what they have done and not be impressed.
They gave created a great roster, but I don't see how everyone makes Ainge out to be a god.
He fleeced the **** out of Brooklyn like a decade ago, and it still reaping those benefits.
He signed Horford, he hit on back to back top 3 picks, he signed Hayward, and then he made a great trade for Kyrie. What he has accomplished is very nice, but it's not like this guy is making shrewd under the radar moves that turn out great, he's doing what a GM should... signing big names and hitting on very high draft picks.
How many under-the-radar moves do you have to make to equal the impact of the Kyrie trade? Toronto has been killing it on these sort of deals and guess what? They're Toronto. They'll win 1-2 series, get wiped out in the next and be stuck with a just shy of 30 shooting guard, a 30+ and injury-prone pg and a power forward of indeterminate age. Plenty of high-performing rotational guys, though.
Tfence92 wrote:chonestown wrote:Tfence92 wrote:
They gave created a great roster, but I don't see how everyone makes Ainge out to be a god.
He fleeced the **** out of Brooklyn like a decade ago, and it still reaping those benefits.
He signed Horford, he hit on back to back top 3 picks, he signed Hayward, and then he made a great trade for Kyrie. What he has accomplished is very nice, but it's not like this guy is making shrewd under the radar moves that turn out great, he's doing what a GM should... signing big names and hitting on very high draft picks.
How many under-the-radar moves do you have to make to equal the impact of the Kyrie trade? Toronto has been killing it on these sort of deals and guess what? They're Toronto. They'll win 1-2 series, get wiped out in the next and be stuck with a just shy of 30 shooting guard, a 30+ and injury-prone pg and a power forward of indeterminate age. Plenty of high-performing rotational guys, though.
So they're going as far as Boston has in the past 7 years? Lol
Tfence92 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Ainge was at a tipping point around the time they drafted Brown, everything since then has been pretty spot on including passing on a what appeared to be a consensus player in Fultz that looks like a mess and Tatum is looking solid getting PT on a young team right now.
He had plenty of misses, but overall Ainge has basically played his hand exactly like a consensus RealGM f=21 board would. Hard to argue against where they are at and the moves they have made.
Brown probably looks better than people thought he would at this point, but Tatum was one of the greatest scorers in the NCAA of the past decade.
Tfence92 wrote:M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum seem like good players.
I've been very skeptical of Ainge being much of a GM, but I don't know how you can look at what they have done and not be impressed.
They gave created a great roster, but I don't see how everyone makes Ainge out to be a god.
He fleeced the **** out of Brooklyn like a decade ago, and it still reaping those benefits.
He signed Horford, he hit on back to back top 3 picks, he signed Hayward, and then he made a great trade for Kyrie. What he has accomplished is very nice, but it's not like this guy is making shrewd under the radar moves that turn out great, he's doing what a GM should... signing big names and hitting on very high draft picks.
Tfence92 wrote:chonestown wrote:Tfence92 wrote:
They gave created a great roster, but I don't see how everyone makes Ainge out to be a god.
He fleeced the **** out of Brooklyn like a decade ago, and it still reaping those benefits.
He signed Horford, he hit on back to back top 3 picks, he signed Hayward, and then he made a great trade for Kyrie. What he has accomplished is very nice, but it's not like this guy is making shrewd under the radar moves that turn out great, he's doing what a GM should... signing big names and hitting on very high draft picks.
How many under-the-radar moves do you have to make to equal the impact of the Kyrie trade? Toronto has been killing it on these sort of deals and guess what? They're Toronto. They'll win 1-2 series, get wiped out in the next and be stuck with a just shy of 30 shooting guard, a 30+ and injury-prone pg and a power forward of indeterminate age. Plenty of high-performing rotational guys, though.
So they're going as far as Boston has in the past 7 years? Lol
Ron Swanson wrote:Hinkie didn't draft Ben Simmons. He drafted Embiid, Saric, and Richaun Holmes (guys he drafted that are still on the team). I don't really understand how whiffing on late-1st's is somehow worse than whiffing on lottery picks though (Okafor, Noel, MCW). Cuz I guess that's the only reality where one could view Ainge as just some run-of-the-mill GM doing ordinary things, and view Sam Hinkie as this "ermagerd genius" playing 3D chess.
chonestown wrote:Tfence92 wrote:chonestown wrote:
How many under-the-radar moves do you have to make to equal the impact of the Kyrie trade? Toronto has been killing it on these sort of deals and guess what? They're Toronto. They'll win 1-2 series, get wiped out in the next and be stuck with a just shy of 30 shooting guard, a 30+ and injury-prone pg and a power forward of indeterminate age. Plenty of high-performing rotational guys, though.
So they're going as far as Boston has in the past 7 years? Lol
This is a great argument because Boston has not brought in any significant talent in just the last two years, nor do they have a high draft choice acquired via trade conveyed to them in the future.
emunney wrote:Tfence92 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Ainge was at a tipping point around the time they drafted Brown, everything since then has been pretty spot on including passing on a what appeared to be a consensus player in Fultz that looks like a mess and Tatum is looking solid getting PT on a young team right now.
He had plenty of misses, but overall Ainge has basically played his hand exactly like a consensus RealGM f=21 board would. Hard to argue against where they are at and the moves they have made.
Brown probably looks better than people thought he would at this point, but Tatum was one of the greatest scorers in the NCAA of the past decade.
Huh?
Gianstoppable wrote:Tfence92 wrote:chonestown wrote:
How many under-the-radar moves do you have to make to equal the impact of the Kyrie trade? Toronto has been killing it on these sort of deals and guess what? They're Toronto. They'll win 1-2 series, get wiped out in the next and be stuck with a just shy of 30 shooting guard, a 30+ and injury-prone pg and a power forward of indeterminate age. Plenty of high-performing rotational guys, though.
So they're going as far as Boston has in the past 7 years? Lol
Maybe I'm missing something but didn't Boston make it to the Eastern Conference finals last year?