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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#161 » by Moosegary » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:58 pm

bigworld2017 wrote:I think I'd be very happy if ESPN's projections were to come true. But if our own pick comes in 8-10 we aren't getting Porter unless his back sends up scary red flags. I also like Lonnie Walker IV. Very active defensively. Nice form on his jumper, which he can launch off the dribble or straight up after a catch. He's 6-5" with some length to him. Great haircut. But I think Blakeney is going to prove to be a very valuable 2 guard to spell Lavine when we want offense. And we can play Nwaba there is we need defense. So we really don't need another 2. I assume both Bridges and Knox will be gone by the time the Pelicans pick comes to us. I see a couple other wings that look promising. De'Andre Hunter from Virginia. He's 6-8" with a 72" wingspan, good handles (he plays PG for UVA). Good all-round player. Could conceivably play all 3 wing spots on both ends. And like a poster a way back brought up, Melvin Frazier looks promising. 6-6", great length, quick as hell, tenacious on defense. With either of these guys using the Pels pick and our own pick on Porter (a prayer), a Bridges or a Knox and we have the wing situation solidified for years to come.


My only concern with this mock is why two wings? I don’t mind Walker but it we get Porter at 6 wouldn’t a post be better with the NO pick. I know Williams goes one pick earlier which would be great if he drops. But I think one of these picks has to be a post.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#162 » by Dresden » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:10 pm

tunit213 wrote:Finally people realizing Trae Young is not a good fit here. Took a while, but better late then never.


I don't think its a matter of fit. If he was as good as he was earlier in the year, I'd be happy to take him no matter what position he played.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#163 » by GimmeDat » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:49 pm

Porter and Walker (ESPN's projections) would be a sick outcome, but it relies on us being at #6, which will mean a successful tank.

I really want to see more of Porter because I'm skeptical about his ability to play at the 3 at the next level, I definitely think he's more of a 4, in which case I feel like Bamba, JJJ, etc. are much better fits for us. Porter is so much better than Young for us though, and beggars can't be choosers at #6.

I'd take Porter because he's a big time talent, but I'd be starting to get worried with us defensively. Porter, in many ways, is like the forward version of Lavine. I love having 1, together it might start to become an issue (though the offense would be sick).
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

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Post#165 » by bigworld2017 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:53 pm

My only concern with this mock is why two wings? I don’t mind Walker but it we get Porter at 6 wouldn’t a post be better with the NO pick. I know Williams goes one pick earlier which would be great if he drops. But I think one of these picks has to be a post.[/quote]

I get that. My thinking was that I'm not sure of what is going to be left for us to fill the Center position with the Pels pick. If Wendell Carter drops that far you take him and consider us lucky. After that I guess you have Brandon McCoy from UNLV, the great enigma Mitchell Robinson, possibly Daniel Gafford of Arkansas if he leaves after his Freshman year. I'm not sure if I want to use that Pels pick on any of the last 3. We can go into next season with Lopez. He's dependable, a good teammate and he's on a good contract. We can hope for a C in the 2019 draft. Interestingly nbadraft.net has the Bulls picking with the 47th pick a kid out of The Republic of Georgia named Goga Bitadze. He's a 7-2" , 250 lb, 18 yo prospect currently playing for Mega Leks. You stash him in Europe for another year or have him play a year in the G league and see if he has any potential. That's why I considered a second wing with the Pels pick. And the more I think on it the more I like De'Andre Hunter who has the size (6-8") and ball skills (plays PG fir UVa) to play all 3 wing positions. That gives Fred a lot of flexibility with lineups and match ups. Plus, down the road there is always the possibility Reinsdorf opens the checkbook for Anthony Davis.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#166 » by tunit213 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:07 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Porter and Walker (ESPN's projections) would be a sick outcome, but it relies on us being at #6, which will mean a successful tank.

I really want to see more of Porter because I'm skeptical about his ability to play at the 3 at the next level, I definitely think he's more of a 4, in which case I feel like Bamba, JJJ, etc. are much better fits for us. Porter is so much better than Young for us though, and beggars can't be choosers at #6.

I'd take Porter because he's a big time talent, but I'd be starting to get worried with us defensively. Porter, in many ways, is like the forward version of Lavine. I love having 1, together it might start to become an issue (though the offense would be sick).


Yeah we really need to get into the top 6 to save this season.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#167 » by Leslie Forman » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:24 pm

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tunit213 wrote:Finally people realizing Trae Young is not a good fit here. Took a while, but better late then never.


I don't think its a matter of fit. If he was as good as he was earlier in the year, I'd be happy to take him no matter what position he played.

Or maybe that's how you can buy low after an unsuccessful tank job on a 19-year-old kid who's still having the greatest freshman year by any point guard in NCAA history?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#168 » by GimmeDat » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:29 pm

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bigworld2017 wrote:I think I'd be very happy if ESPN's projections were to come true. But if our own pick comes in 8-10 we aren't getting Porter unless his back sends up scary red flags. I also like Lonnie Walker IV. Very active defensively. Nice form on his jumper, which he can launch off the dribble or straight up after a catch. He's 6-5" with some length to him. Great haircut. But I think Blakeney is going to prove to be a very valuable 2 guard to spell Lavine when we want offense. And we can play Nwaba there is we need defense. So we really don't need another 2. I assume both Bridges and Knox will be gone by the time the Pelicans pick comes to us. I see a couple other wings that look promising. De'Andre Hunter from Virginia. He's 6-8" with a 72" wingspan, good handles (he plays PG for UVA). Good all-round player. Could conceivably play all 3 wing spots on both ends. And like a poster a way back brought up, Melvin Frazier looks promising. 6-6", great length, quick as hell, tenacious on defense. With either of these guys using the Pels pick and our own pick on Porter (a prayer), a Bridges or a Knox and we have the wing situation solidified for years to come.


My only concern with this mock is why two wings? I don’t mind Walker but it we get Porter at 6 wouldn’t a post be better with the NO pick. I know Williams goes one pick earlier which would be great if he drops. But I think one of these picks has to be a post.


Ideally you get a wing and a big, not that that thinking should stop you from drafting the best player regardless of position, but I'd also say that in the current league, wings, as long as they are versatile, are probably the pieces you can have the most of. A lot of wings go a long way, especially when you can swing some to the 4 or 1 at times depending on lineups.

Porter is a 4/3 in my eyes, though here he'd have to play more 3 and play 4 in the second unit or when/if Markkanen is pushed to the 5. Walker is a 2/3, maybe a dash of 1 in certain lineups, so long as he improves his feel more. There's a lot you could do with both those guys.

Williams is the one and probably only big I would consider with the Pels pick. He sort of is what he is, which is a rim player with little skill on both ends, but he's absolutely dynamic in that role. (*Actually the other one is maybe Johntay Porter.)

If not for Knox or someone similar falling, which would also require the Pels pick to be at 12 or 13, my order or preference would be

1a) Walker
1b) Williams
2) Brown
3) J.Porter
4) Musa

The other guy we should keep an eye on is Sexton. I think he's going to drop into the Pels pick range, and frankly if that's the case I'm not sure where I'd have him on that above list.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#169 » by realEAST » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:39 pm

GimmeDat wrote:
Moosegary wrote:
bigworld2017 wrote:I think I'd be very happy if ESPN's projections were to come true. But if our own pick comes in 8-10 we aren't getting Porter unless his back sends up scary red flags. I also like Lonnie Walker IV. Very active defensively. Nice form on his jumper, which he can launch off the dribble or straight up after a catch. He's 6-5" with some length to him. Great haircut. But I think Blakeney is going to prove to be a very valuable 2 guard to spell Lavine when we want offense. And we can play Nwaba there is we need defense. So we really don't need another 2. I assume both Bridges and Knox will be gone by the time the Pelicans pick comes to us. I see a couple other wings that look promising. De'Andre Hunter from Virginia. He's 6-8" with a 72" wingspan, good handles (he plays PG for UVA). Good all-round player. Could conceivably play all 3 wing spots on both ends. And like a poster a way back brought up, Melvin Frazier looks promising. 6-6", great length, quick as hell, tenacious on defense. With either of these guys using the Pels pick and our own pick on Porter (a prayer), a Bridges or a Knox and we have the wing situation solidified for years to come.


My only concern with this mock is why two wings? I don’t mind Walker but it we get Porter at 6 wouldn’t a post be better with the NO pick. I know Williams goes one pick earlier which would be great if he drops. But I think one of these picks has to be a post.


Ideally you get a wing and a big, not that that thinking should stop you from drafting the best player regardless of position, but I'd also say that in the current league, wings, as long as they are versatile, are probably the pieces you can have the most of. A lot of wings go a long way, especially when you can swing some to the 4 or 1 at times depending on lineups.

Porter is a 4/3 in my eyes, though here he'd have to play more 3 and play 4 in the second unit or when/if Markkanen is pushed to the 5. Walker is a 2/3, maybe a dash of 1 in certain lineups, so long as he improves his feel more. There's a lot you could do with both those guys.

Williams is the one and probably only big I would consider with the Pels pick. He sort of is what he is, which is a rim player with little skill on both ends, but he's absolutely dynamic in that role. (*Actually the other one is maybe Johntay Porter.)

If not for Knox or someone similar falling, which would also require the Pels pick to be at 12 or 13, my order or preference would be

1a) Walker
1b) Williams
2) Brown
3) J.Porter
4) Musa

The other guy we should keep an eye on is Sexton. I think he's going to drop into the Pels pick range, and frankly if that's the case I'm not sure where I'd have him on that above list.


I know you've followed Walker for a while, do you think he can play SF for extended stretches in NBA? I've seen him as more of a combo guard than pure wing, but could be wrong.


Btw, at that spot and among those guys, I think I'd take Sexton, maybe it's his rep coming in this year and him playing with grit, but I think he is too talented not to take at that point of draft.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#170 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:52 pm

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Dresden wrote:
tunit213 wrote:Finally people realizing Trae Young is not a good fit here. Took a while, but better late then never.


I don't think its a matter of fit. If he was as good as he was earlier in the year, I'd be happy to take him no matter what position he played.

Or maybe that's how you can buy low after an unsuccessful tank job on a 19-year-old kid who's still having the greatest freshman year by any point guard in NCAA history?


I have never liked Young's game so that definitely won't change now that he is dropping. I'd rather roll with Dunn unless he is absolutely the best player left and even then I would look to do a draft night trade down.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#171 » by GimmeDat » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:54 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:
Moosegary wrote:
My only concern with this mock is why two wings? I don’t mind Walker but it we get Porter at 6 wouldn’t a post be better with the NO pick. I know Williams goes one pick earlier which would be great if he drops. But I think one of these picks has to be a post.


Ideally you get a wing and a big, not that that thinking should stop you from drafting the best player regardless of position, but I'd also say that in the current league, wings, as long as they are versatile, are probably the pieces you can have the most of. A lot of wings go a long way, especially when you can swing some to the 4 or 1 at times depending on lineups.

Porter is a 4/3 in my eyes, though here he'd have to play more 3 and play 4 in the second unit or when/if Markkanen is pushed to the 5. Walker is a 2/3, maybe a dash of 1 in certain lineups, so long as he improves his feel more. There's a lot you could do with both those guys.

Williams is the one and probably only big I would consider with the Pels pick. He sort of is what he is, which is a rim player with little skill on both ends, but he's absolutely dynamic in that role. (*Actually the other one is maybe Johntay Porter.)

If not for Knox or someone similar falling, which would also require the Pels pick to be at 12 or 13, my order or preference would be

1a) Walker
1b) Williams
2) Brown
3) J.Porter
4) Musa

The other guy we should keep an eye on is Sexton. I think he's going to drop into the Pels pick range, and frankly if that's the case I'm not sure where I'd have him on that above list.


I know you've followed Walker for a while, do you think he can play SF for extended stretches in NBA? I've seen him as more of a combo guard than pure wing, but could be wrong.


Btw, at that spot and among those guys, I think I'd take Sexton, maybe it's his rep coming in this year and him playing with grit, but I think he is too talented not to take at that point of draft.


I definitely think he's more of a 2 than 3, and with that in mind maybe he's not a great fit here, but I do think he can play some 3 because he's long and athletic, depending on the lineup.

My initial reaction to thinking Sexton would fall is 'what a steal, snap him up' - this is a guy I had top 7 or 8 going in to the season. And yeah, maybe he is the best pick who would be falling in to our lap at that point and that I'm just being overly negative, but the fact that he's not an efficient shooter, he often has tunnel vision and isn't a great facilitator, and that his percentages at the rim aren't actually very high either, is a lot of big holes for a PG to have.

That being said, there's some big tools as well. Stud defender, gets to the line 10 times per 40, high work ethic, lanes should open up for him in the NBA, etc.

At worst, I take Williams/Walker over him, at best, he's the obvious BPA. What do you think?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#172 » by jump » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:26 am

I'm a big fan of Gafford. I believe he could develop into a solid C. Maybe even an excellent C. He's still young and shows flashes of dominance. Good possibility for the Pels pick if we get a wing first.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#173 » by realEAST » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:28 am

GimmeDat wrote:
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Ideally you get a wing and a big, not that that thinking should stop you from drafting the best player regardless of position, but I'd also say that in the current league, wings, as long as they are versatile, are probably the pieces you can have the most of. A lot of wings go a long way, especially when you can swing some to the 4 or 1 at times depending on lineups.

Porter is a 4/3 in my eyes, though here he'd have to play more 3 and play 4 in the second unit or when/if Markkanen is pushed to the 5. Walker is a 2/3, maybe a dash of 1 in certain lineups, so long as he improves his feel more. There's a lot you could do with both those guys.

Williams is the one and probably only big I would consider with the Pels pick. He sort of is what he is, which is a rim player with little skill on both ends, but he's absolutely dynamic in that role. (*Actually the other one is maybe Johntay Porter.)

If not for Knox or someone similar falling, which would also require the Pels pick to be at 12 or 13, my order or preference would be

1a) Walker
1b) Williams
2) Brown
3) J.Porter
4) Musa

The other guy we should keep an eye on is Sexton. I think he's going to drop into the Pels pick range, and frankly if that's the case I'm not sure where I'd have him on that above list.


I know you've followed Walker for a while, do you think he can play SF for extended stretches in NBA? I've seen him as more of a combo guard than pure wing, but could be wrong.


Btw, at that spot and among those guys, I think I'd take Sexton, maybe it's his rep coming in this year and him playing with grit, but I think he is too talented not to take at that point of draft.


I definitely think he's more of a 2 than 3, and with that in mind maybe he's not a great fit here, but I do think he can play some 3 because he's long and athletic, depending on the lineup.

My initial reaction to thinking Sexton would fall is 'what a steal, snap him up' - this is a guy I had top 7 or 8 going in to the season. And yeah, maybe he is the best pick who would be falling in to our lap at that point and that I'm just being overly negative, but the fact that he's not an efficient shooter, he often has tunnel vision and isn't a great facilitator, and that his percentages at the rim aren't actually very high either, is a lot of big holes for a PG to have.

That being said, there's some big tools as well. Stud defender, gets to the line 10 times per 40, high work ethic, lanes should open up for him in the NBA, etc.

At worst, I take Williams/Walker over him, at best, he's the obvious BPA. What do you think?


Defensively, Walker reminds me somewhat of Norman Powell, who I also think is best suited defending 2s, but can guard some SFs depending on matchup (players like Hardaway, even Batum - speaking of size), but not bulkier guys.

As for Sexton, I had high expectation coming into season, and was pretty disappointed despite occasional big, it's almost better to say good game. And I completely agree with your break down.
That said, even not excelling, imo he still showed more than for ex. Walker or Williams (this is not a kick towards them), and with his tools you hope he puts it together.
Westbrook paralels are inevitable too, imo with the way he plays but also considering that Westbrook wasn't regarded that high at the time and his develoment was pretty surprising for most. But if he isn't as exceptional as Westbrook, that type of play rarely translates to team success.
Still if we pick at #12-14, I'd take him on potential, if he pans out he could be great, and if not he still is pretty good bench guy, which isn't bad for pick in that range
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#174 » by Dresden » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:46 am

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tunit213 wrote:Finally people realizing Trae Young is not a good fit here. Took a while, but better late then never.


I don't think its a matter of fit. If he was as good as he was earlier in the year, I'd be happy to take him no matter what position he played.

Or maybe that's how you can buy low after an unsuccessful tank job on a 19-year-old kid who's still having the greatest freshman year by any point guard in NCAA history?


Yeah but he's trending down in a big way. I doubt his numbers still look as good by the end of the year unless he has a sudden reversal.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#175 » by Moosegary » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:48 am

Hypothetical situation. If we are able to get one of the studs with are first pick (Ayton, Bagley, Porter, JJJ, Doncic). Would anyone trade a protective first in 19 with the NO pick to move up in this draft to grab maybe a Mikal Bridges or someone else if he fell?

I’m probably wrong about this but I believe the Bulls plan to be active in free agency in summer of 19 (failed at this a lot through the years) and the 19 draft (I know it’s early) doesn’t look nearly as strong except for the very top. Besides picks I don’t that we would have much to offer to move up.
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Post#176 » by _txchilibowl_ » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:58 am

Moosegary wrote:Hypothetical situation. If we are able to get one of the studs with are first pick (Ayton, Bagley, Porter, JJJ, Doncic). Would anyone trade a protective first in 19 with the NO pick to move up in this draft to grab maybe a Mikal Bridges or someone else if he fell?

I’m probably wrong about this but I believe the Bulls plan to be active in free agency in summer of 19 (failed at this a lot through the years) and the 19 draft (I know it’s early) doesn’t look nearly as strong except for the very top. Besides picks I don’t that we would have much to offer to move up.



It would depend on the protection of the pick. Have to be lottery protected. Even then I doubt I'd do it for Bridges... I'd probably want to be somewhere back in the top 7 guys.
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Post#177 » by TheHrvReport » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:04 am

JJJ looking like prime Shaq out there

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Post#178 » by GimmeDat » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:14 am

TheHrvReport wrote:JJJ looking like prime Shaq out there

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It hurts how close we are to his range. Having him and Markkanen as our front-court would be nuts. Trade up with the Pels pick if you have to.
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Post#179 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:18 am

GimmeDat wrote:
TheHrvReport wrote:JJJ looking like prime Shaq out there

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It hurts how close we are to his range. Having him and Markkanen as our front-court would be nuts. Trade up with the Pels pick if you have to.


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Post#180 » by ChiCityHoops34 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:27 am

Jaren Jackson will be 19 for his entire rookie year love it. All in.

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