Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[bwgood77]

Boston has to go for it if Leonard is available:

Tatum, Morris, Smart, Sacramento 2019, Memphis 2019, Clippers 2019

We wouldn't be able to beat that with rental risk.

The Spurs would need a blue chip player or pick which is why Doncic is brought up. Jackson is kind of a freeballer and had some red flags coming out so I'm not sure they wouldn't prefer Bender instead.

Top-3 pick (Doncic)
Bender
Dudley or Chandler to fill salary
Mia 1st
Future 1st

That is if he would sign a max deal.

I was going to say earlier that Pop would probably prefer Bender to Jackson, since he has more upside, size, length, etc. But if we were getting Kawhi it would make more sense for us to replace Jackson with him.

I think there is very little chance a trade on draft night would go down, even if both sides were open to it, because we'd be crazy to make a very public trade like that for a player who has been our right now. And if he didn't pass his physical, undoing it is just more bad stuff.

[bigfoot]

Boston has to go for it if Leonard is available:

Tatum, Morris, Smart, Sacramento 2019, Memphis 2019, Clippers 2019

We wouldn't be able to beat that with rental risk.

The Spurs would need a blue chip player or pick which is why Doncic is brought up. Jackson is kind of a freeballer and had some red flags coming out so I'm not sure they wouldn't prefer Bender instead.

Top-3 pick (Doncic)
Bender
Dudley or Chandler to fill salary
Mia 1st
Future 1st

That is if he would sign a max deal.

Pretty close to what I think we actually will offer this off-season (if there is the slightest chance of him being available.)
PHX 1st
MIA 1st
Bender
Warren
Filler
Future/MIL 1st

Yes and Pop would turn on the beast-mode switch for Bender. He'd have TJ draining threes left-and-right. And Doncic or Ayton would be the nail in the coffin for the rest of the league. Spurs would be reloaded for another 10 years or until Pop keels over.

[kennydorglas]

FWIW I work for a stone company in PHX and my delivery driver just made a delivery to Scottsdale/PV area. The contractor on site told him it was Jason Kidd’s new house. Not sure what to make of it or if it’s even true. Thought it was worth mentioning.


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Great, now I'll be super worried up until at least the off-season

OMG

[lilfishi22]

I thought about a poll with the likely three roads regarding Gordon...

Renounce Payton and non guaranteed guys to sign him.

Trade Milwaukee first to dump Chandler (or maybe Dudley) along with non guaranteed guys to sign Payton and Gordon. (not sure Milwaukee first would do it, but maybe would).

Keep Payton, Williams, Reed, 1st round picks and use MLE on vet FA (even if only 1 year deal) instead of signing Gordon.

How about an AG poll based on salary ranges? 10-12M, 13-15M, etc, and see what he's actually valued at since we already know the majority on the board would take him (for a price obviously).

Feel free to start a thread and poll if you would like on the subject. I just started a thread on the trade board to assess what they all think he is worth and what Orlando will match. I think they are pretty likely to match most anything particularly up to at least $15 million, and then even with each slot we could sign him at, it would likely cost Payton, a pick to move Chandler/Dudley, along with not keeping Sauce, Reed, etc.

Created the poll

[bwgood77]

How about an AG poll based on salary ranges? 10-12M, 13-15M, etc, and see what he's actually valued at since we already know the majority on the board would take him (for a price obviously).

Feel free to start a thread and poll if you would like on the subject. I just started a thread on the trade board to assess what they all think he is worth and what Orlando will match. I think they are pretty likely to match most anything particularly up to at least $15 million, and then even with each slot we could sign him at, it would likely cost Payton, a pick to move Chandler/Dudley, along with not keeping Sauce, Reed, etc.

Created the poll

Thread I created about what the trade board crowd thinks on value and will happen... viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1677677

I voted he is worth 12-15 but I will say if I was the Magic I would match a higher amount rather than let him walk for nothing.

[cberry78]

How about an AG poll based on salary ranges? 10-12M, 13-15M, etc, and see what he's actually valued at since we already know the majority on the board would take him (for a price obviously).

Feel free to start a thread and poll if you would like on the subject. I just started a thread on the trade board to assess what they all think he is worth and what Orlando will match. I think they are pretty likely to match most anything particularly up to at least $15 million, and then even with each slot we could sign him at, it would likely cost Payton, a pick to move Chandler/Dudley, along with not keeping Sauce, Reed, etc.

Created the poll

lil - thanks.

bw - I'm a minimalist. I think there's already to many offshoot threads that don't need to be there.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Every player who wasn't an All-Star and signed a $14m+ contract:

Good Contract: (9) Bledsoe, Middleton, Covington, Dragic, Oladipo, Gobert, Beal, McCollum, Porter

OK Contract: (14) Rubio, Iguodala, Valanciunis, Parker, Schroder, Hardaway, Fournier, Kanter, Teague, Ibaka, Adams, Barnes, Redick, Caldwell-Pope

Bad Contract: (22) Plumlee, Dieng, Carroll, Crawford, Mozgov, Mahinmi, Jackson, Anderson, Thompson, Bazemore, Biyombo, Turner, Deng, Noah, Matthews, Crabbe, Hill, Galllinari, Batum, Lopez, Parsons, Conley

Chances of it being a good decision are 20%.

[bigfoot]

Gordon has tapered off quite a bit in Dec and Jan. He hasn't even played in February. Overall, his seasons stats aren't that much better than TJ Warren. Same TS% and a couple more rebounds. Career stats TJ is better than Gordon. TJ will get paid about $12M next year. Anything over $14M is probably an overpay for Gordon.

[Frank Lee]

How about just say no McD....


This is just the type of move I expect out of this GM.... muddling around with very few options. Feeling the need to do something that appears to be a major move at least one that will be flashy and splashy.... but in reality just another fizzle dud firework.

Just play it out McD... lets see what we have with Payton at PG and adding this top pick. Now if SanAnt comes calling , sure, answer the phone, but be careful. And really no need to behave desperately. Stick to your so called timeline and pretend it was your plan all along.

[bigfoot]

How about just say no McD....


This is just the type of move I expect out of this GM.... muddling around with very few options. Feeling the need to do something that appears to be a major move at least one that will be flashy and splashy.... but in reality just another fizzle dud firework.

Just play it out McD... lets see what we have with Payton at PG and adding this top pick. Now if SanAnt comes calling , sure, answer the phone, but be careful. And really no need to behave desperately. Stick to your so called timeline and pretend it was your plan all along.

I'm good with Payton and our draft pick. But we have to replace the likes of Ulis and Reed with some decent veterans. Dudley and Chandler just don't cut it anymore. Nothing fancy just some good bench/role players from playoff caliber teams on one year deals.

[lilfishi22]

Feel free to start a thread and poll if you would like on the subject. I just started a thread on the trade board to assess what they all think he is worth and what Orlando will match. I think they are pretty likely to match most anything particularly up to at least $15 million, and then even with each slot we could sign him at, it would likely cost Payton, a pick to move Chandler/Dudley, along with not keeping Sauce, Reed, etc.

Created the poll

Thread I created about what the trade board crowd thinks on value and will happen... viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1677677

I voted he is worth 12-15 but I will say if I was the Magic I would match a higher amount rather than let him walk for nothing.

I went with $15-18. I think he's probably worth more than Warren because he can do more (shoot 3's, rebounds much better, play D) but in a depressed market, he's probably worth around $15m. If Warren is worth $12m a year, I'd pay an extra $3m a year for competent 3pt shooting, rebounding and defense.

Obviously Magic would match that easily though.

[lilfishi22]

Gordon has tapered off quite a bit in Dec and Jan. He hasn't even played in February. Overall, his seasons stats aren't that much better than TJ Warren. Same TS% and a couple more rebounds. Career stats TJ is better than Gordon. TJ will get paid about $12M next year. Anything over $14M is probably an overpay for Gordon.

$2m more for considerably more rebounds, a semi-reliable 3pt shot (vs no 3pt shot) and better defense is an overpay? I disagree.

[Qwigglez]

All this talk about getting Kawhi? I already mentioned how we are getting him.
Step 1. Shut down Booker. Fortify the tank.
Step 2. Get the No 1 draft pick.
Step 3. Draft night trade of our pick (Ayton), the Miami pick, Chriss, Dudley, and Knight for Anthony Davis, Alex Ajinca. Dudley/Ajinca both get bought out.
Step 4. Trade Jackson, Warren, the 2021 Miami pick, our 2020 pick unprotected for Kawhi Leonard. Spurs were willing to trade LMA before last year's draft to trade up and get JJ. They also likely don't want to give Kawhi the Designated Player Exception, which is 35% of a team's cap (same with the Pelicans and AD).
Step 5. Plan for championship parade.

Payton/Booker/Kawhi/Bender/AD

[woosah]

Woj--

Phoenix is signing guard Shaq Harrison to a 10 day contract, league sources tell ESPN. Suns will waive Josh Gray to create roster spot.

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[thamadkant]

Suns love giving D league point guards money or simply fickle? As if it would make a difference if they swap Josh Gray with Shaq Harrison

[AtheJ415]

Gordon has tapered off quite a bit in Dec and Jan. He hasn't even played in February. Overall, his seasons stats aren't that much better than TJ Warren. Same TS% and a couple more rebounds. Career stats TJ is better than Gordon. TJ will get paid about $12M next year. Anything over $14M is probably an overpay for Gordon.

Didn't you say Dedmon was worth $20 mil or so?

[lilfishi22]

Suns love giving D league point guards money or simply fickle? As if it would make a difference if they swap Josh Gray with Shaq Harrison

Gives us different looks at that position. maybe we find a diamond in the rough (unlikely) but we could and ultimately we can only give 2 consecutive ten-day contracts to any player and clearly Gray didn't leave a lasting impression. Also keeps the tank strong by not allowing our guys to get used to our PG rotation lol

[bwgood77]

Every player who wasn't an All-Star and signed a $14m+ contract:

Good Contract: (9) Bledsoe, Middleton, Covington, Dragic, Oladipo, Gobert, Beal, McCollum, Porter

OK Contract: (14) Rubio, Iguodala, Valanciunis, Parker, Schroder, Hardaway, Fournier, Kanter, Teague, Ibaka, Adams, Barnes, Redick, Caldwell-Pope

Bad Contract: (22) Plumlee, Dieng, Carroll, Crawford, Mozgov, Mahinmi, Jackson, Anderson, Thompson, Bazemore, Biyombo, Turner, Deng, Noah, Matthews, Crabbe, Hill, Galllinari, Batum, Lopez, Parsons, Conley

Chances of it being a good decision are 20%.

Good work, though when the cap had a huge jump from 70 to 94 a ton of people got vastly overpaid. That is much less likely in the current climate....as well as so many teams having such contracts and realizing how bad it hampers their ability to do anything.

[bwgood77]

Suns love giving D league point guards money or simply fickle? As if it would make a difference if they swap Josh Gray with Shaq Harrison

Might as well test as many guys as possible.

[TeamTragic]

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I think McD just doesn't want to be fined $600K