Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

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[nevetsov]

Don't like Gordon on this team if we also like Bender or Chriss. That would we either play Gordon at PF and one of those a C, which makes us small and weak on the boards... or Gordon at SF and one of those guys a PF, which adds to an already crowded SF rotation.

If we like one of Bender/ Chriss at C, we need a dominant PF who can board, defend and not be bullied. Gordon is more a finesse guy, so I'm just not convinced he's the right fit. Especially when we'll have to overpay for him anyway.

[Mulhollanddrive]

McDonough has turned his attention to winning 45+ games in 18 months time with the Payton acquisition.

His draft picks from here will likely not have a big influence on results before his contract is up.

[Blonde]

What’s the market going to look like for DeAndre Jordan? Will he even opt out of his current deal? I can’t imagine he’ll make more than his 24 million owed this offseason but he might want to secure more years at a cheaper rate. There are only a few teams that could afford to make him an offer. The Mavs nearly had him a few years ago but maybe they’ve moved on after that fiasco.

I’ve been a big fan of his, but don’t want to end up in another Chandler situation. Though he’s 6 years younger than Chandler and much better. I could see a situation where we draft one of Porter/Doncic/Young and then try to sign Jordan if he opts out (would have to make room and maybe stretch Dudley or Chandler). There isn’t a whole lot else on the market and McD seems committed to making a splash this summer... for better or for worse.

Not saying I would do it, but I can see it being a McD type of move. My gut says he signs a longer deal in LA or goes to Dallas.

[Saberestar]

What’s the market going to look like for DeAndre Jordan? Will he even opt out of his current deal? I can’t imagine he’ll make more than his 24 million owed this offseason but he might want to secure more years at a cheaper rate. There are only a few teams that could afford to make him an offer. The Mavs nearly had him a few years ago but maybe they’ve moved on after that fiasco.

I’ve been a big fan of his, but don’t want to end up in another Chandler situation. Though he’s 6 years younger than Chandler and much better. I could see a situation where we draft one of Porter/Doncic/Young and then try to sign Jordan if he opts out (would have to make room and maybe stretch Dudley or Chandler). There isn’t a whole lot else on the market and McD seems committed to making a splash this summer... for better or for worse.

Not saying I would do it, but I can see it being a McD type of move. My gut says he signs a longer deal in LA or goes to Dallas.

Easily $80M / 4 years.

[kennydorglas]

I think Gordon will definitely get the Oladipo contract.

[BobbieL]

I think Gordon will definitely get the Oladipo contract.

I think I would pass on Gordon for those dollars. I am more in the mid-teens and even that - probably not the right player

Take the two picks - get two more good players. Hopefully Payton continues to evolve and the team shows they are better with him at PG and he signs (even up to 10m if need be). Len, PEters, Ulis can be waived to create a bit more cap space.

Daniels, Dudley Chandler are expirings to be used in a trade or just let them walk and move on. Knight and hopefully a free agent can come in - and star improving this roster.

Triano mentioned today in Bordows article he may want to coach the team next year - that would be good. Continuity with a good solid coach. I still interview though if I am Ryan McD

[JJ13]

If Kawhi is on the block this summer, the Suns have to swing a deal. I'd do TJ + our pick + Miami pick, and would consider JJ + our pick + Miami pick. He's a top 5 player in the league.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

[Blackification]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

How would that line up look? Like we drafted another project big when we should be going for Ayton or JJJ

[BobbieL]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

that's why my post above - done with the idea of Gordon as he is going to cost too much and Bender/Chriss - they can still improve to where Gordon is. I think that's the key - Gordon has 4 years in the league. Bender/Chriss have two. Give them at least another year/ Also the asssets to get Gordon, either in terms of trade or cutting a guy like Sauce, might be too much

Hopefully Payton progresses - and I agree with Bordow -he might cost 10m now - that's fine
Between Booker, Jackson, Warren (who I like off the bench), Bender, Chriss and two more draft picks with Payton that's pretty young but a lot of upside
Knight - maybe just maybe he will be fine with being "Vinnie Johnson"
Another guy off the bench

and roll with it

I do wonder this though : If the Suns do sign Payton - that takes PG out of play. And personally, I like the idea of a 5th year PG over anybody but Doncic. But the Suns sign Payton and say get the third ping pong ball so Ayton and Doncic are OFF the board - that opens up a lot: Bamba, Porter, Bagley, JJJ - I wonder if McD would entertain dropping to 5 for say Bamba and somebody moving up to 3 - and either dumping a contract like Dudley or acquiring another asset. But again, it would have to be that Doncic and Ayton are off the board so a team would value Bagley or Porter or JJJ while the Suns realize Bamba is perfect for this nucleus.

[jcsunsfan]

Repeated talk about getting Gordon/Capela or any of the real stars in the league isn't happening through free agency since we don't have enough cap space to sign someone outright. It has to happen through a trade moving a couple of our big salaries (Knight, Dudley, Chandler, Warren) along with draft assets and/or young players. Obviously a reasonably-aged, playoff-tested, star PF or C would be a great acquisition this summer in a trade. Not sure who would be an "acquirable" target ... someone that's not a pipe dream.

Otherwise, in free agency the best we can hope for is to fill our bench with quality veterans on one year contracts by waiving a few of the young guys who aren't NBA caliber players.

But...but...but...hasn’t McDonough been telling everyone who will listen about how the Suns are among the top 5-6 teams with most cap space this summer? He said it again last week in that long interview with Arizona Sports.

We do, we have about $21 million if you renounce cap holds and don't guarantee contracts. That just shrinks with each circumstance. Want to keep Payton? Can't renounce his cap hold so that shaves $10 million off that cap space...or sign him for less and shave a little less off that $21. Keep Sauce? Guarantee his $5.5 million....so that brings the $21-$11 down to $5.5....keep Reed? Take off another $1.4....keep Ulis..take off another $1.5. Keep Peters?

Our cap space was kind of used on Payton if we keep him...particularly if we want to keep Reed, Ulis and Williams. Of course it largely depends on how much we pay Payton. But to clear enough space to sign Gordon most of those players or trading another guy like Chandler or Dudley which would require a pick would have to happen.

Fortunately we can draft first and then figure the rest out.


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[kennydorglas]

I think Gordon will definitely get the Oladipo contract.

I think I would pass on Gordon for those dollars. I am more in the mid-teens and even that - probably not the right player

Take the two picks - get two more good players. Hopefully Payton continues to evolve and the team shows they are better with him at PG and he signs (even up to 10m if need be). Len, PEters, Ulis can be waived to create a bit more cap space.

Daniels, Dudley Chandler are expirings to be used in a trade or just let them walk and move on. Knight and hopefully a free agent can come in - and star improving this roster.

Triano mentioned today in Bordows article he may want to coach the team next year - that would be good. Continuity with a good solid coach. I still interview though if I am Ryan McD

Yeah, will be a huge gamble on his athletic ability... I think he has enough wok ethic and IQ to reach his next level like Oladipo did.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

that's why my post above - done with the idea of Gordon as he is going to cost too much and Bender/Chriss - they can still improve to where Gordon is. I think that's the key - Gordon has 4 years in the league. Bender/Chriss have two. Give them at least another year/ Also the asssets to get Gordon, either in terms of trade or cutting a guy like Sauce, might be too much

Hopefully Payton progresses - and I agree with Bordow -he might cost 10m now - that's fine
Between Booker, Jackson, Warren (who I like off the bench), Bender, Chriss and two more draft picks with Payton that's pretty young but a lot of upside
Knight - maybe just maybe he will be fine with being "Vinnie Johnson"
Another guy off the bench

and roll with it

I do wonder this though : If the Suns do sign Payton - that takes PG out of play. And personally, I like the idea of a 5th year PG over anybody but Doncic. But the Suns sign Payton and say get the third ping pong ball so Ayton and Doncic are OFF the board - that opens up a lot: Bamba, Porter, Bagley, JJJ - I wonder if McD would entertain dropping to 5 for say Bamba and somebody moving up to 3 - and either dumping a contract like Dudley or acquiring another asset. But again, it would have to be that Doncic and Ayton are off the board so a team would value Bagley or Porter or JJJ while the Suns realize Bamba is perfect for this nucleus.

I'm opening up to Bamba more and more. You can see he currently has trouble boxing out, due to his frame, but his rim protection capabilities top the charts. And unlike JJJ, he can stay in a game. He's obviously a project, but so are all of these players, with the exception of Doncic.

If we draft a big with our top pick, it seems pretty clear that we should target a guard with the MIA pick. I don't have a favorite in that range atm, if bigs are excluded.

[bwgood77]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

He's definitely improved since he was earlier in the season, but far from incredible. It is nice to see he almost has as many assists as turnovers though after the way he was turning it over early and the fg% has improved, though still no where near "good". The best improvement has been the rebounding and he looks more in control..

The numbers by month...Feb his TS% and net rating dropped quite a bit from January. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksjo02/splits/2018

[Djedefre]

I think Gordon will definitely get the Oladipo contract.

Triano mentioned today in Bordows article he may want to coach the team next year

No God please no

[BobbieL]

I think Gordon will definitely get the Oladipo contract.

Triano mentioned today in Bordows article he may want to coach the team next year

No God please no

I am open to change - just not Jason Kidd. I realize he is not a newby but I also don't want Steve Nash. Or a guy with zero experience

Who would you like?

I also like Fizdale, JB Bickerstaff maybe, the two guys from the Spurs, maybe Majerle if they want sentiment

[Saberestar]

Scott Bordow is basically on point with this entire article regarding our future:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/22/suns-elfrid-payton-devin-booker-deandre-ayton-nba-draft/359655002/

He ends the article with this:

How would this starting lineup look in 2018-19: Payton, Booker, Jackson, Bender, Bamba, with Warren coming off the bench as a sixth man.

What's notable to me is how obvious it's become that Jackson will be the starter sooner rather than later. Kid has been incredible since January. I don't expect him to crack the All-Rookie first team due to his slow start and the incredible strength of this class, but I do expect him to be an All-Star in time.

I wouldn't be happy with that. I hope for a better team next season. That starting lineup + Warren is what we have now or even worse, because I don't expect that a raw rookie C as Bamba will play better than Chandler/Len.

Our young players can improve....or not. Basketball is not a science, improvements are not a sure thing. Every of us expected a better Chriss in his second season, but he has regressed. Ulis too.

[bwgood77]

Triano mentioned today in Bordows article he may want to coach the team next year

No God please no

I am open to change - just not Jason Kidd. I realize he is not a newby but I also don't want Steve Nash. Or a guy with zero experience

Who would you like?

I also like Fizdale, JB Bickerstaff maybe, the two guys from the Spurs, maybe Majerle if they want sentiment

Sarver would have to be crazy to even interview Jason Kidd with all the domestic abuse stuff swirling around people Cuban employed and the heat he has taken for it. Colangelo traded Kidd when he was an all star pg because he had a domestic abuse incident. For the same organization to hire him to coach kids that would be a horrible look....and of course he's not a good coach.

[Djedefre]

Dream list

#1 pick - Obradovic
#2 - Budenholzer
#3 - Bennett/Wright/Marshall
#4 - Huggins/Few/Fizdale
#5 - Messina/Altman