Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[dckingsfan]

Between now and 2020 more than 4 million high school students will turn 18 and eligible to vote. I'm sure some will vote for a Republican but I can also see that students who are becoming more active will turn to the Democrats and be more motivated to vote.

What's interesting about Millennials is that the have the lowest trust of conventional media ever and they identify as independent vs liberal or conservative at a higher rate than those in the past.

I don't actually know how this will affect the future. I do know they are going to be pissed off when they figure out what we have done to their future.

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[dckingsfan]

I’m saying do away with Bonds. Issue notes. Legal tender. Greenbacks. Like Lincoln did. Like Kennedy used.

Nothing will be backing the know but the good faith and credit of the United States government. No bonds. Tender will be debt-free and interest free.

We already do that - see the Fed

Notes are dollars. If you issue a massive dollar (notes) influx to cover our debt the value of the dollar would fall precipitously. It might actually be the best way to take money from the rich (as Zonk advocates). Suddenly the value of everyone's money would be worth half.

In Russia in the 90s, they had several currency devaluations. I remember people with big bowls of change that was essentially worthless. many stores had trouble making change because no one wanted to keep much cash on hand, in case it was spontaneously devalued. Paying in US cash always got you a better deal, quite apart from any exchange rate.

Even speculative anticipation of such a move could drive the value of the dollar down, send money overseas (so much for repatriation), allow foreign carpetbaggers to feast on bargain US assets, hurt personal savings, drive inflation, etc.

Exactly. But it would be a way to pay-off the debt and do a huge wealth transfer from old people to young people. It still wouldn't help if you don't get the spending problem fixed though.

[cammac]

I guess AR15s are now instruments of God at least to Moonies wonder when some other fundamental churches pick up the practice?

Sanctuary Church wrote on its website that if people are not able to buy a semiautomatic rifle for the blessing event, "couples are invited to purchase a $700 gift certificate from a gun store, as evidence of their intent to purchase a 'rod of iron' in the future."

The gun control debate has taken over the headlines after last Wednesday's high school massacre in Parkland, Florida, which left 14 children and three adults dead. A 19-year-old was charged with their murders.

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Since this is coming from a very conservative site likely soon.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ar15-church-pennsylvania-shooting/2018/02/22/id/844904/

[stilldropin20]

You guys are making way too much out of this in terms of implementation. this is kind of easy.

If I were a teacher I could easily be a security guard simultaneously. The way to do it is minimum two per school one extra security guard/teacher for every hundred students. Pay them an extra $10,000 and I’ll bet at least 30% of the workforce would volunteer. I know Nate and I would have the balls to do it on this board any any other liberals got a sack big enough to be a security guard? Lol

Combine that with metal detectors and one point of entry for the schools and you won’t have one of these mass shootingss ever again that is successful. You might end up with maybe one or two children getting shot at most before the security forces would overwhelm the shooter.


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[cammac]

I love how Republicans love to rate there own accomplishments. Obviously started with the Trumpster himself and never below a A+. Well DeVos isn't quite as magnanimous with herself B+ to A- she can anger the Boss with a A+.

DeVos, a businesswoman and philanthropist, has drawn criticism from many teachers and activists for her ardent support of private and charter schools, as well as for her lack of experience in public schools.

She told The Detroit News that she plans on stepping up her push for school choice in the coming year, and said that she is working on a plan to restructure the Education Department to make it leaner and more efficient. President Trump is on board with that plan, she said.

My Personal rating F your FIRED!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375138-devos-i-get-a-solid-b-to-an-a-in-my-first-year-as-education-secretary

[Pointgod]

This "deterrence" argument is asinine. You think someone who makes the decision that they are going to kill a lot of people today is looking to come out of the situation alive? You think they see this as a lucrative career move and a teacher with a gun hampers their prospects? Newsflash! They don't give a damn. They are looking to cause as much damage as possible until someone takes them out. It's the same mindset as a terrorist.

It boggles my mind that the conservative mind thinks a solution is "more guns."

Imagine how much more chaotic things get if you gave teachers guns. How do teachers identify the correct assailent? How do police identify that the teachers with guns aren’t the assailent. You already have a problem with cops shooting unarmed people could you imagine teachers having to make that decision? This is such a stupid argument that it can only come from the NRA and Trump.

Orange vest? Orange hat? Orange gun? GPS on the gun? GPS on the teachers cell phone? Earpiece for the teacher?


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Congrats. You’ve just made it easier for shooters to identify teachers who are armed. That’s the problem with making a complicated and confusing problem even more complicated.

[montestewart]

I know Nate and I would have the balls to do it on this board any any other liberals got a sack big enough to be a security guard? Lol

At this risk of sounding like a broken record, quit showing everyone yer effin nutz! This is a family-friendly board.

[stilldropin20]

Imagine how much more chaotic things get if you gave teachers guns. How do teachers identify the correct assailent? How do police identify that the teachers with guns aren’t the assailent. You already have a problem with cops shooting unarmed people could you imagine teachers having to make that decision? This is such a stupid argument that it can only come from the NRA and Trump.

Orange vest? Orange hat? Orange gun? GPS on the gun? GPS on the teachers cell phone? Earpiece for the teacher?


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Congrats. You’ve just made it easier for shooters to identify teachers who are armed. That’s the problem with making a complicated and confusing problem even more complicated.

I’m pretty sure the shooter will see the teacher shooting at them as well.

Or did you assume the teacher would walk around with an orange hat on 24 seven? Don’t answer that. Of course you did.

The hat and vest would be in a locker with the gun. When the alarm goes off or the shots are fired the teacher immediately put on the hat best grabs the gun and goes and shoots the shooter.

This ain’t for the faint of heart use a more appropriate word need not apply.


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[Wizardspride]

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[cammac]

Orange vest? Orange hat? Orange gun? GPS on the gun? GPS on the teachers cell phone? Earpiece for the teacher?


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Congrats. You’ve just made it easier for shooters to identify teachers who are armed. That’s the problem with making a complicated and confusing problem even more complicated.

I’m pretty sure the shooter will see the teacher shooting at them as well.

Or did you assume the teacher would walk around with an orange hat on 24 seven? Don’t answer that. Of course you did.

The hat and vest would be in a locker with the gun. When the alarm goes off or the shots are fired the teacher immediately put on the hat best grabs the gun and goes and shoots the shooter.

This ain’t for the faint of heart use a more appropriate word need not apply.


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Lets see!
#1 Go to locker and unlock it! How much time?
#2 Put on garb would assume he/she would put on a protective vest? How much time?
#3 Grab the gun locate the intruder! How much time?
#4 Get in the OK corral with bullets flying students ducking for cover!
#5 Police arriving getting in crossfire!
Think the Orange Outfits 24/7 more practical but both crazy!

[dckingsfan]

I’m saying do away with Bonds. Issue notes. Legal tender. Greenbacks. Like Lincoln did. Like Kennedy used.

Nothing will be backing the know but the good faith and credit of the United States government. No bonds. Tender will be debt-free and interest free.

We already do that - see the Fed

Notes are dollars. If you issue a massive dollar (notes) influx to cover our debt the value of the dollar would fall precipitously. It might actually be the best way to take money from the rich (as Zonk advocates). Suddenly the value of everyone's money would be worth half.

Yes yes exactly. That’s why I said issue notes instead of bonds. legal tender. Actual money.

That’s not what we do right now. Right now the Fed issues bonds. Small and large investors Buy those bonds which “converts” to “money “ aka notes. That we borrow against. And pay 5% interest to the Fed. You get rid of the bands. And essentially the Fed. And we are no longer paying 5% interest to the FEd.

we would likely see massive inflation. Not only would we see massive inflation but we would see a massive amount of credit available as well we would end up in a full blown bull economy as we would essentially thrust an additional 20 trillion in to the world economy.

The inflation would be a huge hidden tax. And especially to the wealthy elite and especially to all the foreign investors and our coastal real estate markets. They would take a huge hit. Where mom and pop in small-town USA just have to hold onto their home and they don’t really take a hit.

So you could step 2 trillion per year for 10 years to limit the negative impact. But I say just ripped the effing Band-Aid off and pay off the entire thing.

This is the only magic bullet. It’s likely the only bullet.

Actually, they do - their house is worth 1/2 the value. Their savings are worth 1/2 as well.

Let's say their net worth is 100,000. It would still be $100,000 but the dollar would be worth 1/2.

A Billionaire would still be a Billionaire but again, the dollar is worth half. One problem with this is that others with dollars might sell quickly and the dollar might fall to something like .2. Those nasty unintended consequences.

[cammac]

We already do that - see the Fed

Notes are dollars. If you issue a massive dollar (notes) influx to cover our debt the value of the dollar would fall precipitously. It might actually be the best way to take money from the rich (as Zonk advocates). Suddenly the value of everyone's money would be worth half.

Yes yes exactly. That’s why I said issue notes instead of bonds. legal tender. Actual money.

That’s not what we do right now. Right now the Fed issues bonds. Small and large investors Buy those bonds which “converts” to “money “ aka notes. That we borrow against. And pay 5% interest to the Fed. You get rid of the bands. And essentially the Fed. And we are no longer paying 5% interest to the FEd.

we would likely see massive inflation. Not only would we see massive inflation but we would see a massive amount of credit available as well we would end up in a full blown bull economy as we would essentially thrust an additional 20 trillion in to the world economy.

The inflation would be a huge hidden tax. And especially to the wealthy elite and especially to all the foreign investors and our coastal real estate markets. They would take a huge hit. Where mom and pop in small-town USA just have to hold onto their home and they don’t really take a hit.

So you could step 2 trillion per year for 10 years to limit the negative impact. But I say just ripped the effing Band-Aid off and pay off the entire thing.

This is the only magic bullet. It’s likely the only bullet.

Actually, they do - their house is worth 1/2 the value. Their savings are worth 1/2 as well.

Let's say their net worth is 100,000. It would still be $100,000 but the dollar would be worth 1/2.

A Billionaire would still be a Billionaire but again, the dollar is worth half. One problem with this is that others with dollars might sell quickly and the dollar might fall to something like .2. Those nasty unintended consequences.

ONE WORD: ARGENTINA

[Pointgod]

Orange vest? Orange hat? Orange gun? GPS on the gun? GPS on the teachers cell phone? Earpiece for the teacher?


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Congrats. You’ve just made it easier for shooters to identify teachers who are armed. That’s the problem with making a complicated and confusing problem even more complicated.

I’m pretty sure the shooter will see the teacher shooting at them as well.

Or did you assume the teacher would walk around with an orange hat on 24 seven? Don’t answer that. Of course you did.

The hat and vest would be in a locker with the gun. When the alarm goes off or the shots are fired the teacher immediately put on the hat best grabs the gun and goes and shoots the shooter.

This ain’t for the faint of heart use a more appropriate word need not apply.


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Obviously this plan is not well thought out. But I'll let you figure out why.

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

Yes yes exactly. That’s why I said issue notes instead of bonds. legal tender. Actual money.

That’s not what we do right now. Right now the Fed issues bonds. Small and large investors Buy those bonds which “converts” to “money “ aka notes. That we borrow against. And pay 5% interest to the Fed. You get rid of the bands. And essentially the Fed. And we are no longer paying 5% interest to the FEd.

we would likely see massive inflation. Not only would we see massive inflation but we would see a massive amount of credit available as well we would end up in a full blown bull economy as we would essentially thrust an additional 20 trillion in to the world economy.

The inflation would be a huge hidden tax. And especially to the wealthy elite and especially to all the foreign investors and our coastal real estate markets. They would take a huge hit. Where mom and pop in small-town USA just have to hold onto their home and they don’t really take a hit.

So you could step 2 trillion per year for 10 years to limit the negative impact. But I say just ripped the effing Band-Aid off and pay off the entire thing.

This is the only magic bullet. It’s likely the only bullet.

Actually, they do - their house is worth 1/2 the value. Their savings are worth 1/2 as well.

Let's say their net worth is 100,000. It would still be $100,000 but the dollar would be worth 1/2.

A Billionaire would still be a Billionaire but again, the dollar is worth half. One problem with this is that others with dollars might sell quickly and the dollar might fall to something like .2. Those nasty unintended consequences.

ONE WORD: ARGENTINA

Just think of the millions of people pouring over the Canadian border... SD is out to get you

[Wizardspride]

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[montestewart]

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There's never an armed teacher around when you need one!

[stilldropin20]

We already do that - see the Fed

Notes are dollars. If you issue a massive dollar (notes) influx to cover our debt the value of the dollar would fall precipitously. It might actually be the best way to take money from the rich (as Zonk advocates). Suddenly the value of everyone's money would be worth half.

Yes yes exactly. That’s why I said issue notes instead of bonds. legal tender. Actual money.

That’s not what we do right now. Right now the Fed issues bonds. Small and large investors Buy those bonds which “converts” to “money “ aka notes. That we borrow against. And pay 5% interest to the Fed. You get rid of the bands. And essentially the Fed. And we are no longer paying 5% interest to the FEd.

we would likely see massive inflation. Not only would we see massive inflation but we would see a massive amount of credit available as well we would end up in a full blown bull economy as we would essentially thrust an additional 20 trillion in to the world economy.

The inflation would be a huge hidden tax. And especially to the wealthy elite and especially to all the foreign investors and our coastal real estate markets. They would take a huge hit. Where mom and pop in small-town USA just have to hold onto their home and they don’t really take a hit.

So you could step 2 trillion per year for 10 years to limit the negative impact. But I say just ripped the effing Band-Aid off and pay off the entire thing.

This is the only magic bullet. It’s likely the only bullet.

Actually, they do - their house is worth 1/2 the value. Their savings are worth 1/2 as well.

Let's say their net worth is 100,000. It would still be $100,000 but the dollar would be worth 1/2.

A Billionaire would still be a Billionaire but again, the dollar is worth half. One problem with this is that others with dollars might sell quickly and the dollar might fall to something like .2. Those nasty unintended consequences.

That’s why I mentioned to just keep your house as tempted as it will be to sell.

The cost of building new is never going down it’s only increasing so long as everyone keeps their house. They will be fine. Don’t get tricked into selling.

The average every day mom-and-pop don’t have a big savings account so they don’t lose money that they don’t have anything except a house. Keep the house and they will keep their wealth.


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There's never an armed teacher around when you need one!

Okay, I'm "borrowing" that for my signature.

But seriously, arming teachers has to be the dumbest idea since... building a wall between the US and Mexico.