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2018 Draft Thread #6

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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#261 » by GimmeDat » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:38 pm

Ayman78 wrote:Question: which position should the Bulls look to bolster Center or the Small Forward position?

Both positions have great prospects.

Small Forward: 1)Michael Porter, 2)Kevin Knox, 3)Both Bridge's 4) Luca Donici (my #1 overall choice)

Center: 1)Deandre Ayton, 2) J. Jackson Jr, 3)Marvin Bagley

And strong prospects at both positions with the Pelicans pick.


I believe Porter, Miles Bridges and maybe even Knox are primarily 4's, and I think Bagley is pretty clearly a 4 as well. So if you want to talk about fit, you can cross them off, though that shouldn't stop you from drafting the best player available.

Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, Bamba are the 4 that fit us the best. They're also the 4 best prospects in this draft imo.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#262 » by GimmeDat » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:41 pm

There's been momentum in many circles that Carter>Bagley as a prospect, and I get it. I still give Bagley the edge because I think his ceiling is higher, but he's also a worse fit for us. I'm not sure how I'd feel about either/both guys being available at our spot.

Part of me is clinging to the hope that Bagley can still be a 2 way player - I thought he'd be so much better on defense, and at the least would be out there protecting the rim because he'd been a prolific shot blocker in previous levels of play. But he's been really bad rim protecting and otherwise this year. Carter hasn't been great on that end either, but he's been better than Bagley.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#263 » by HomoSapien » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:45 pm

Well Porter Jr. is cleared to return to basketball activities. We should get a look at him before the draft. Hopefully we'll be able to determine his potential and his health, even though he'll be rusty.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#264 » by kodo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:46 pm

I’m meh at Doncic at SF.

IMO, the ideal SF is a great defender who can defend wings & bigs, can move to the PF position and play that position well in terms of defense, rebounding, rim & 3 point line protection, and finishing strong at the basket in a straight line. None of those are Doncic strengths.

Because of my expectations, I would rate Devin Booker as a poor SF even though he's a great SG. I see Doncic also as a SG.

But by the time we’re serious about winning, I don’t ever want to see Doncic guarding Giannis to start a game.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#265 » by Jcool0 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:55 pm

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Post#266 » by kodo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:58 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Part of me is clinging to the hope that Bagley can still be a 2 way player - I thought he'd be so much better on defense, and at the least would be out there protecting the rim because he'd been a prolific shot blocker in previous levels of play.


Was he really a good shotblocker before Duke?

At Sierra Canyon he averaged 2 bpg, which isn't much considering the massive gap in talent & size between him & high school kids. You usually see crazier numbers, like Noel was 3.9 bpg. Mitchell Robinson had 6.9 bpg.

Our man Bobby Portis had 3.6 bpg in HS.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#267 » by nomorezorro » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:31 am

jontay tweeted this out right when the mpj news broke. don't want to read too much into a tweet but it'd surprise me if mpj wasn't back before the season ended

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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#268 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:56 am

I’m not too bent out of shape yet, but this MPJ situation has a slight stink to it.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#269 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:29 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Ayman78 wrote:Question: which position should the Bulls look to bolster Center or the Small Forward position?

Both positions have great prospects.

Small Forward: 1)Michael Porter, 2)Kevin Knox, 3)Both Bridge's 4) Luca Donici (my #1 overall choice)

Center: 1)Deandre Ayton, 2) J. Jackson Jr, 3)Marvin Bagley

And strong prospects at both positions with the Pelicans pick.


I believe Porter, Miles Bridges and maybe even Knox are primarily 4's, and I think Bagley is pretty clearly a 4 as well. So if you want to talk about fit, you can cross them off, though that shouldn't stop you from drafting the best player available.

Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, Bamba are the 4 that fit us the best. They're also the 4 best prospects in this draft imo.


I think Porter is 3 and you can't write him off just because he hasn't played. I'm hard pressed to believe Bamba is a better prospect.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#270 » by bearadonisdna » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:33 am

Freaking guys on this board. I saw a TJ Warren thread on the GB and he became a pretty good player.
He was a player i liked in the doug mcdermott draft but it came to my attention that the “Rising Stars” mvp is 25 years old. Warren is 24 years.

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Its funny because on this board guys act like you can not rebuild with a 24 year old player because ‘he has to spend time with his grandchildren.’
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#271 » by Costa78 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:35 am

I still have a hard time believing Ayton is in consideration for #1. If we somehow manage a top 3 pick (unlikely) I would prefer Bagley, JJJ, and then Doncic. If Porter shows he is healthy then maybe he gets in the top 5 based on his HS tape alone, although that’s too risky IMO
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#272 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:05 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:I’m not too bent out of shape yet, but this MPJ situation has a slight stink to it.


In what way?
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#273 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:06 am

Costa78 wrote:I still have a hard time believing Ayton is in consideration for #1. If we somehow manage a top 3 pick (unlikely) I would prefer Bagley, JJJ, and then Doncic. If Porter shows he is healthy then maybe he gets in the top 5 based on his HS tape alone, although that’s too risky IMO


Not sure why. He is the best prospect.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#274 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:23 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:I’m not too bent out of shape yet, but this MPJ situation has a slight stink to it.


In what way?


His return has been teased three times, beginning a couple months ago. Too much drama.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#275 » by Ccwatercraft » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:50 am

nomorezorro wrote:jontay tweeted this out right when the mpj news broke. don't want to read too much into a tweet but it'd surprise me if mpj wasn't back before the season ended

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What I find odd is even that any number of people liking or retweeting a tweet with some random emojis on it. Is it really that easy to get a like on there?

I am totally out of the loop there.

I have a 4 year old niece that's a late bloomer that could have done that tweet.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#276 » by gobullschi » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:26 am

GimmeDat wrote:
Ayman78 wrote:Question: which position should the Bulls look to bolster Center or the Small Forward position?

Both positions have great prospects.

Small Forward: 1)Michael Porter, 2)Kevin Knox, 3)Both Bridge's 4) Luca Donici (my #1 overall choice)

Center: 1)Deandre Ayton, 2) J. Jackson Jr, 3)Marvin Bagley

And strong prospects at both positions with the Pelicans pick.


I believe Porter, Miles Bridges and maybe even Knox are primarily 4's, and I think Bagley is pretty clearly a 4 as well. So if you want to talk about fit, you can cross them off, though that shouldn't stop you from drafting the best player available.

Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, Bamba are the 4 that fit us the best. They're also the 4 best prospects in this draft imo.


Miles Bridges is a SF. Sure he had the strength to be a 4 in some small ball line ups but his ball handling has improved enough this season to be a full time small forward. He has developed a pretty decent cross over and defenders have to respect his elite first step.

It is too early to know MPJs true position because we haven't seen him play against college talent.

Barley and Knox are definite 4s though.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#277 » by Chi town » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:40 am

I hope MPJ comes back and plays well and then gets drafted top 3. Pushes JJJ back to us.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#278 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:59 am

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I bet he doesn't even play. He would be stupid to. He's basically guaranteed to go top 7 if he just sits. He can only hurt his stock, not help it. Expectations are set so high for him that he cannot improve his lot at this point even if he looks great. He has benefited from NOT playing. The mystery is still there. If he looks mediocre or even bad, his stock will plummet.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#279 » by DorO » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:01 am

Our pick + Lauri to get better player in draft, in Bobby we trust.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#280 » by Ayman78 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:14 am

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I bet he doesn't even play. He would be stupid to. He's basically guaranteed to go top 7 if he just sits. He can only hurt his stock, not help it. Expectations are set so high for him that he cannot improve his lot at this point even if he looks great. He has benefited from NOT playing. The mystery is still there. If he looks mediocre or even bad, his stock will plummet.


If he's cleared to play and doesn't, because of draft positioning he will certainly drop out of the lottery. No team is going to see that only a business dicission, they'll look at as he wasn't competitive enough to challenge the guys a head in lottery order.

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