Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

Eoghan · Post #1881 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:45 pm

Yep. Lolcats forever.

bravor · Post #1882 » by **bravor** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:31 am

Good articlefrom Bonnell

catch20two · Post #1883 » by **catch20two** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:58 am

bravor wrote:Good articlefrom Bonnell

Interesting that the key ingredients of the article was mostly about Kemba’s competitiveness of not paying enough attention to his own health and well-being by demanding he not take a rest after halftime, opting to play the entire 2nd half of games in fear of the team losing due to the lack of a quality reserve point guard in his absence while on the bench.

So how do Clifford offset that? By playing the backup PG that can’t play backup point guard well enough when Kemba go to the bench at shooting guard even though he can’t shoot - alongside Kemba. :lol:

Post #1884 » by **Klomp** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:29 pm

Was just looking at the franchise records, and realized Kemba will likely pass Dell Curry as the franchise's all-time leading scorer if he plays out this season in Charlotte (needs about 25 games at his current scoring average).

Are people aware of this? Does that make fans want to keep or trade him more?

catch20two · Post #1885 » by **catch20two** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 11:03 pm

Klomp wrote:Was just looking at the franchise records, and realized Kemba will likely pass Dell Curry as the franchise's all-time leading scorer if he plays out this season in Charlotte (needs about 25 games at his current scoring average).

Are people aware of this? Does that make fans want to keep or trade him more?

We’re aware. It’s going to be quite a milestone. He’s been breaking franchise records over the past two seasons and a lot of us declare him the best player in franchise history thus far. I don’t think any legit Hornets fan wants to trade him. We want to keep him. But we also understand that he’s our best asset in a trade to rebuild via assets. It’s very unlikely that we trade him based on the offers we’ve heard and seen. He’s underrated everywhere outside of this organization and he wants to be here.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1886 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 1:54 pm

Surely Walker is picked to replace Kristaps in the all star game

catch20two · Post #1887 » by **catch20two** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 3:00 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Surely Walker is picked to replace Kristaps in the all star game

I doubt it. I got it being Ben Simmons or Blake Griffin. At this point I honestly don’t even want Kemba to accept the offer even if he is chosen because he should’ve gotten in at first submission and to be looked over 3 times as a replacement is disrespectful.

Rich4114 · Post #1888 » by **Rich4114** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 3:56 pm

He should turn it down if they offer at this point.

Post #1889 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 7, 2018 10:45 pm

simmons 3:1
griffin 5:1
middleton 10:1
tide pod 100:1
lavar ball 1000:1
Kristaps' knee ligament 5000:1
kemba 10000000000000:1

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1890 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:33 pm

fatlever wrote:simmons 3:1
griffin 5:1
middleton 10:1
tide pod 100:1
lavar ball 1000:1
Kristaps' knee ligament 5000:1
kemba as a Hornet 10000000000000:1
kemba as a Cav 1:1

Fixed

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Post #1891 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:51 pm

When they were here I always said that guys like Felton and Augustin were so replaceable when they were our PG's. When Felton fans were wanting to overpay him I strongly felt that a guy like Jack could bring as much to the table as Felton was but at a fraction of the cost. Same with a guy like Augustin and Berea (for example).

Kemba is so different because of the way he has evolved his game over these past 2 years. I'm not sure there are too many other PG's that can do as much as him - from his offense to his defense to his "swag" and his absolute "likeability". Add in the fact that he really, really wants to be here. He's just a really unique player. We can't just expect to swap him out for another run of the mill PG - because he's not another run of the mill PG. Not now. Not with what he has become.

Short of him bringing back a block buster type player (and not just a high 1st round pick) I'd be pretty upset if we traded him.

And we would be SUPER boring to watch without him.

Rich4114 · Post #1892 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 6:44 pm

BigSlam wrote:When they were here I always said that guys like Felton and Augustin were so replaceable when they were our PG's. When Felton fans were wanting to overpay him I strongly felt that a guy like Jack could bring as much to the table as Felton was but at a fraction of the cost. Same with a guy like Augustin and Berea (for example).

Kemba is so different because of the way he has evolved his game over these past 2 years. I'm not sure there are too many other PG's that can do as much as him - from his offense to his defense to his "swag" and his absolute "likeability". Add in the fact that he really, really wants to be here. He's just a really unique player. We can't just expect to swap him out for another run of the mill PG - because he's not another run of the mill PG. Not now. Not with what he has become.

Short of him bringing back a block buster type player (and not just a high 1st round pick) I'd be pretty upset if we traded him.

And we would be SUPER boring to watch without him.

I very much agree with this. It’s a real shame we haven’t built a good team around him. The mix of players and the coaching system is a failure. I hope they find a way out and can rebuild around him.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1893 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Feb 8, 2018 10:38 pm

He's in.

Read on Twitter

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Post #1894 » by **JDR720** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:23 pm

Read on Twitter

_tijo_ · Post #1895 » by **_tijo_** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:36 pm

The fact that Kemba doesn't have a signature shoe yet... if anyone has the cache to get it done, it has to be MJ. Make it happen.

Post #1896 » by **JDR720** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:32 pm

Read on Twitter

catch20two · Post #1897 » by **catch20two** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:59 pm

JDR720 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Cho fuxxed this team up lol. We’re in a situation where we either gonna lose our best player in franchise history in his prime or get rid of the scarce bit of talent around him in order to keep him. Can’t believe that some people still go to bat for Cho. He did a terrible job. His most redeeming quality is small acquisitions of forgotten role players at every trade deadline.

BeesWax · Post #1898 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:48 pm

catch20two wrote:
JDR720 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Cho fuxxed this team up lol. We’re in a situation where we either gonna lose our best player in franchise history in his prime or get rid of the scarce bit of talent around him in order to keep him. Can’t believe that some people still go to bat for Cho. He did a terrible job. His most redeeming quality is small acquisitions of forgotten role players at every trade deadline.

I think people defend Cho because nobody is sure of what moves were his and what were forced on him. I think Cliff has MJs ear and that he forced some of this on the team thinking like a coach, short term. I want to see if he could be successful given the freedom to build a team without to much influence.

catch20two · Post #1899 » by **catch20two** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:01 pm

jdm3 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Cho fuxxed this team up lol. We’re in a situation where we either gonna lose our best player in franchise history in his prime or get rid of the scarce bit of talent around him in order to keep him. Can’t believe that some people still go to bat for Cho. He did a terrible job. His most redeeming quality is small acquisitions of forgotten role players at every trade deadline.

I think people defend Cho because nobody is sure of what moves were his and what were forced on him. I think Cliff has MJs ear and that he forced some of this on the team thinking like a coach, short term. I want to see if he could be successful given the freedom to build a team without to much influence.

It’s natural for a GM to work in conjunction with what the head coach need and wants but it’s up to the GM to stand firm and make the best decision for the team regardless of what anyone else thinks if he’s opposed to it. If Cho didn’t like Clifford’s views he could’ve easily fired him or pushed that narrative to MJ. Cho was Clifford’s boss, not the other way around.

At the end of the day Cho was under contract. No ultimatum or opinion should’ve derived him from making the right moves because he was going to get paid no matter what.

But even so after all of that being said the truth of the matter is that in this current state we’re financially hampered and that’s more of Cho’s fault than anyone else.

BeesWax · Post #1900 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:37 pm

catch20two wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
catch20two wrote:Cho fuxxed this team up lol. We’re in a situation where we either gonna lose our best player in franchise history in his prime or get rid of the scarce bit of talent around him in order to keep him. Can’t believe that some people still go to bat for Cho. He did a terrible job. His most redeeming quality is small acquisitions of forgotten role players at every trade deadline.

I think people defend Cho because nobody is sure of what moves were his and what were forced on him. I think Cliff has MJs ear and that he forced some of this on the team thinking like a coach, short term. I want to see if he could be successful given the freedom to build a team without to much influence.

It’s natural for a GM to work in conjunction with what the head coach need and wants but it’s up to the GM to stand firm and make the best decision for the team regardless of what anyone else thinks if he’s opposed to it. If Cho didn’t like Clifford’s views he could’ve easily fired him or pushed that narrative to MJ. Cho was Clifford’s boss, not the other way around.

At the end of the day Cho was under contract. No ultimatum or opinion should’ve derived him from making the right moves because he was going to get paid no matter what.

But even so after all of that being said the truth of the matter is that in this current state we’re financially hampered and that’s more of Cho’s fault than anyone else.

MJ is in charge in the end and if Cliff has his ear then this team is doomed until he is gone. Cho can override Cliff but not MJ so I think he lost a lot of the battles because the owner sided the other way. Maybe if we get a GM that has more sway with MJ than Cliff does we will things start to swing back.

So we won't really know if the decisions were his fault or if they were MJ forcing him to make moves at the request of Cliff. If the later is the case then the problem won't go away until our GM has more sway.