Game 57: Clippers (30-26) visit Warriors (44-14) on 02/22 @ 10:30 PM

[Quake Griffin]

Tapped out somewhere in the 2nd quarter.

Dope to hear Tyrone Wallace is still balling.


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[TheGr81]

Marjanovic got 1 full minute to play, whoo-hoo

[MartinToVaught]

Doc should've gave more minutes to Wallace over Austin. Hope Jerry West saw that bullsh*t from Doc tonight.

oh please do you people ever stop

I'll stop when the blatant, shameless nepotism stops. It just cost us another win.

[og15]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

[donemilio21]

Did anyone else think that Draymond should have called for moving screens twice in the last 3 minutes of the game. One of them was in fact so obvoious where pushed Austin with his but and allowed Curry to shoot the open 3.

[MartinToVaught]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Of course it's extremely difficult to guard Curry. But that just makes it even more imperative to let our best defensive option play as much as possible.

The Warriors are the most stacked team in NBA history. Knowing this, you cannot under any circumstances give 38 minutes to a below-average, net-negative player and expect to beat them. But Doc just keeps on playing him big minutes because his last name is Rivers, and that apparently matters more than what's best for the team. It's just shameful to see the rest of our players' hard work go to waste because of nepotism.

[og15]

Did anyone else think that Draymond should have called for moving screens twice in the last 3 minutes of the game. One of them was in fact so obvoious where pushed Austin with his but and allowed Curry to shoot the open 3.

Yes, there were some moving screens, but what can you do, right? One of the Curry three's was on DJ, the one time Austin fought through and was on Curry's hip, DJ stayed back as if playing Curry for the drive which of course isn't a good read, Curry isn't driving.

Another one, Austin just got lost and then there was the one where he tripped. They were running a consecutive screen action, both Green and Durant's man, and in the one Austin got lost, Durant was technically doing a moving screen, but again, it happens.

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[esqtvd]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Austin was only minus-4 in 38 minutes; Wallace was minus-8 in only 19 minutes. Wallace has done well but this derangement against Austin is bizarre. Austin was the best thing out there for us in the first half and Wallace did nothing to justify pushing him aside. [We won the 2nd half 69-64. We needed points after getting in an early hole and Wallace was 0-2 from distance and is only 30% on the year.]

[Captain Ballmer]

Did anyone else think that Draymond should have called for moving screens twice in the last 3 minutes of the game. One of them was in fact so obvoious where pushed Austin with his but and allowed Curry to shoot the open 3.

Yes, there were some moving screens, but what can you do, right? One of the Curry three's was on DJ, the one time Austin fought through and was on Curry's hip, DJ stayed back as if playing Curry for the drive which of course isn't a good read, Curry isn't driving.

Another one, Austin just got lost and then there was the one where he tripped. They were running a consecutive screen action, both Green and Durant's man, and in the one Austin got lost, Durant was technically doing a moving screen, but again, it happens.

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https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/23/17044224/stephen-curry-over-screen-three-warriors-vs-clippers-no-answer-double-screen-deandre-jordan

There is a detailed look for the last 4 possession of warriors. Also, you can realize 4 very good reasons in there to not resign with DJ.

[og15]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Austin was only minus-4 in 38 minutes; Wallace was minus-8 in only 19 minutes. Wallace has done well but this derangement against Austin is bizarre. Austin was the best thing out there for us in the first half and Wallace did nothing to justify pushing him aside. [We won the 2nd half 69-64. We needed points after getting in an early hole and Wallace was 0-2 from distance and is only 30% on the year.]

You are correct that the game was mainly lost in the first quarter. The Clippers kept pace after that, but keeping pace isn't enough if you are down. Still, that doesn't negate the reality that Doc has too much faith in his ability to defend, he's not an elite perimeter defensive player, but Doc does tend to make it seem like he is with how he uses him and speaks of his defense.

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[og15]

Did anyone else think that Draymond should have called for moving screens twice in the last 3 minutes of the game. One of them was in fact so obvoious where pushed Austin with his but and allowed Curry to shoot the open 3.

Yes, there were some moving screens, but what can you do, right? One of the Curry three's was on DJ, the one time Austin fought through and was on Curry's hip, DJ stayed back as if playing Curry for the drive which of course isn't a good read, Curry isn't driving.

Another one, Austin just got lost and then there was the one where he tripped. They were running a consecutive screen action, both Green and Durant's man, and in the one Austin got lost, Durant was technically doing a moving screen, but again, it happens.

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https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/23/17044224/stephen-curry-over-screen-three-warriors-vs-clippers-no-answer-double-screen-deandre-jordan

There is a detailed look for the last 4 possession of warriors. Also, you can realize 4 very good reasons in there to not resign with DJ.

Good link, the film actually doesn't show Austin doing anything specifically wrong, that was on DJ to be there to help. Either DJ is there to help or at best we have a minimal contest and hope Curry misses, so nevermind on my previous Austin criticism for the plays.

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[Galloisdaman]

Warriors got the benefit of the calls for sure. Call it home court, superstar or champion but the calls were going their way. I think the Curry 3 pointers were daggers to the heart. He made 8 of 10. Their team shot 56% from 3 last night. That was the game right there. I would have given them drives after seeing how hot they were from 3. Rather them have to beat Jordan inside for 2 than get open 3's.

[Galloisdaman]

Going in to the game Gallo had only 2 missed free throws in 71 attempts. Last night he missed 2 of 6.

I wonder what is up with his hand/wrist.

[MartinToVaught]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Austin was only minus-4 in 38 minutes; Wallace was minus-8 in only 19 minutes. Wallace has done well but this derangement against Austin is bizarre. Austin was the best thing out there for us in the first half and Wallace did nothing to justify pushing him aside. [We won the 2nd half 69-64. We needed points after getting in an early hole and Wallace was 0-2 from distance and is only 30% on the year.]

That stat just shows how useless single-game +/- can be. Wallace was clearly the better and more impactful player than Austin last night. It's not even arguable. Watching him play defense compared to Austin is like night and day. Wallace is always communicating, always helping when necessary and always has his head up. Austin gets blown by, is constantly out of position and quits on plays. His "defense" down the stretch must have been his audition tape for Shaqtin' a Fool MVP - especially the play where he tripped and fell on a switch.

As for the long-distance shooting, Austin was 2-6 from three last night. Let's not pretend he was Curry-esque from beyond the arc either. 2-6 certainly isn't enough to justify a team-high 38 minutes, especially once you factor in how much he was giving up to Curry and Thompson defensively. Oh, and speaking of needing points, free throws are opportunities to get easy points... except for Austin, who keeps bricking them.

The only "derangement" here is coming from you. You refuse to admit that any criticism of Doc/Austin ever has any merit to it. Instead, you dismiss the criticism with excuses and buzzwords like "derangement." Like it or not, Doc is a bad coach, Austin is a net-negative player, and they're both holding the Clippers back.

[mttwlsn16]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Austin was only minus-4 in 38 minutes; Wallace was minus-8 in only 19 minutes. Wallace has done well but this derangement against Austin is bizarre. Austin was the best thing out there for us in the first half and Wallace did nothing to justify pushing him aside. [We won the 2nd half 69-64. We needed points after getting in an early hole and Wallace was 0-2 from distance and is only 30% on the year.]

That stat just shows how useless single-game +/- can be. Wallace was clearly the better and more impactful player than Austin last night. It's not even arguable. Watching him play defense compared to Austin is like night and day. Wallace is always communicating, always helping when necessary and always has his head up. Austin gets blown by, is constantly out of position and quits on plays. His "defense" down the stretch must have been his audition tape for Shaqtin' a Fool MVP - especially the play where he tripped and fell on a switch.

As for the long-distance shooting, Austin was 2-6 from three last night. Let's not pretend he was Curry-esque from beyond the arc either. 2-6 certainly isn't enough to justify a team-high 38 minutes, especially once you factor in how much he was giving up to Curry and Thompson defensively.

The only "derangement" here is coming from you. You refuse to admit that any criticism of Doc/Austin ever has any merit to it. Instead, you dismiss the criticism with excuses and buzzwords like "derangement." Like it or not, Doc is a bad coach, Austin is a net-negative player, and they're both holding the Clippers back.

If only we had Blake

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[esqtvd]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say it cost us a win, that only makes sense if we were already winning and then something directly related to Austin took it away. Curry and the Warriors are good enough that it's not a situation where playing Wallace would now mean that Curry doesn't find a way to get open and still make shots. Doc is way too confident in Austin's defensive abilities compared to the reality of those abilities, but again, guarding Curry, especially in the Curry/Durant pick and roll is hard no matter what.

Austin was only minus-4 in 38 minutes; Wallace was minus-8 in only 19 minutes. Wallace has done well but this derangement against Austin is bizarre. Austin was the best thing out there for us in the first half and Wallace did nothing to justify pushing him aside. [We won the 2nd half 69-64. We needed points after getting in an early hole and Wallace was 0-2 from distance and is only 30% on the year.]

That stat just shows how useless single-game +/- can be. Wallace was clearly the better and more impactful player than Austin last night. It's not even arguable. Watching him play defense compared to Austin is like night and day. Wallace is always communicating, always helping when necessary and always has his head up. Austin gets blown by, is constantly out of position and quits on plays. His "defense" down the stretch must have been his audition tape for Shaqtin' a Fool MVP - especially the play where he tripped and fell on a switch.

As for the long-distance shooting, Austin was 2-6 from three last night. Let's not pretend he was Curry-esque from beyond the arc either. 2-6 certainly isn't enough to justify a team-high 38 minutes, especially once you factor in how much he was giving up to Curry and Thompson defensively. Oh, and speaking of needing points, free throws are opportunities to get easy points... except for Austin, who keeps bricking them.

The only "derangement" here is coming from you. You refuse to admit that any criticism of Doc/Austin ever has any merit to it. Instead, you dismiss the criticism with excuses and buzzwords like "derangement." Like it or not, Doc is a bad coach, Austin is a net-negative player, and they're both holding the Clippers back.

I like Ty Wallace but he doesn't spread the floor. There's a reason he's a G-Leaguer. He shoots under 30% on anything over 10 feet.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallaty01.html#shooting::none

Austin was not the problem. Neither is Doc. That's just animus. You're not thinking strategically.