Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[Wizardspride]

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I wonder when Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is indicted he has been the Russian Congressman for years. He will lose his district in 2018 anyways.

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[dckingsfan]

Your solution wouldn't get through because of the second amendment. You have no solution. And many hunting rifles have the same magazines and muzzle velocity as "assault rifles" they just don't look as cool.

You didn't ever address this. Why would the 2nd amendment prevent banning all non handguns and hunting rifles? Handguns are made for killing humans. That meets the 2A criteria.

I have yet to see a valid criticism of my plan.

Sure, getting a repeal to the 2nd Amendment would require two-thirds of the State legislatures to approve it. So, that isn't happening.

Not banning hunting rifles and handguns would have virtually no affect on what we have seen recently sans Las Vegas.

It would be political with virtually no change. It is not difficult to make a hunting rifle automatic - although you really don't need an automatic weapon and semi-automatic weapon with a large magazine would do fine.

Hope that helps - your plan would do very little (or possibly nothing).

[dckingsfan]

1. Republican legislators loosen gun laws and block new ones from being passed at the behest of the NRA
2. Democrats do not have the perfect solution to gun control that makes 100% of Americans happy

dckingsfan: both sides are at fault here

Okay - we are on the same page here... neither side has a solution. Both sides are just using it for political gain.

Wouldn't it make more sense to look at the legislation put forth by Democrats vs legislation Republicans have put forth before concluding that neither side has a solution.

Not when neither propositions would help. In this case it would be a political band aide and not much more.

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Okay - we are on the same page here... neither side has a solution. Both sides are just using it for political gain.

Wouldn't it make more sense to look at the legislation put forth by Democrats vs legislation Republicans have put forth before concluding that neither side has a solution.

Not when neither propositions would help. In this case it would be a political band aide and not much more.

Are you assuming that or have you read all the proposals? You should list out everything the Democrats have proposed and everything Republicans have proposed over the passed decade.

[stilldropin20]

Your solution wouldn't get through because of the second amendment. You have no solution. And many hunting rifles have the same magazines and muzzle velocity as "assault rifles" they just don't look as cool.

You didn't ever address this. Why would the 2nd amendment prevent banning all non handguns and hunting rifles? Handguns are made for killing humans. That meets the 2A criteria.

I have yet to see a valid criticism of my plan.

Sure, getting a repeal to the 2nd Amendment would require two-thirds of the State legislatures to approve it. So, that isn't happening.

Not banning hunting rifles and handguns would have virtually no affect on what we have seen recently sans Las Vegas.

It would be political with virtually no change. It is not difficult to make a hunting rifle automatic - although you really don't need an automatic weapon and semi-automatic weapon with a large magazine would do fine.

Hope that helps - your plan would do very little (or possibly nothing).

Exactly


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[dckingsfan]

Wouldn't it make more sense to look at the legislation put forth by Democrats vs legislation Republicans have put forth before concluding that neither side has a solution.

Not when neither propositions would help. In this case it would be a political band aide and not much more.

Are you assuming that or have you read all the proposals? You should list out everything the Democrats have proposed and everything Republicans have proposed over the passed decade.

So, you are saying that floating a bill is good enough? Both parties have had ample opportunity to move something forward - they have both been in the majority at some point over the last 4 decades, no?. Insurance on gun owners for example - the idea has been around for a while.

And then the was the meaningless legislation like the Brady Bill - it did virtually nothing. And for the Ds (poking at you since you seem to be on that side) - there is the continual false promise of gun control - it hasn't worked and has been around for 4+ decades.

Sorry, the Ds have been bankrupt on moving good ideas forward on this issue.

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Not when neither propositions would help. In this case it would be a political band aide and not much more.

Are you assuming that or have you read all the proposals? You should list out everything the Democrats have proposed and everything Republicans have proposed over the passed decade.

So, you are saying that floating a bill is good enough? Both parties have had ample opportunity to move something forward - they have both been in the majority at some point over the last 4 decades, no?. Insurance on gun owners for example - the idea has been around for a while.

And then the was the meaningless legislation like the Brady Bill - it did virtually nothing. And for the Ds (poking at you since you seem to be on that side) - there is the continual false promise of gun control - it hasn't worked and has been around for 4+ decades.

Sorry, the Ds have been bankrupt on moving good ideas forward on this issue.

Well let's be honest. You're not comparing the two on a fair plane. Republicans don't want any type of gun control legislation because they disproportionately get NRA money.

Didn't Bill Clinton pass the assault weapons ban? Democrats had a majority for 2 years under Obama and they prioritized the ACA which is fine if you want to count that against them. Why don't we look at the state level then to see what Democratic vs Republican governments have passed in regards to gun control.

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[JWizmentality]

Drip drip drip. The no collusion crowd panties really tight.

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[gtn130]

Your solution wouldn't get through because of the second amendment. You have no solution. And many hunting rifles have the same magazines and muzzle velocity as "assault rifles" they just don't look as cool.

You didn't ever address this. Why would the 2nd amendment prevent banning all non handguns and hunting rifles? Handguns are made for killing humans. That meets the 2A criteria.

I have yet to see a valid criticism of my plan.

Sure, getting a repeal to the 2nd Amendment would require two-thirds of the State legislatures to approve it. So, that isn't happening.

Not banning hunting rifles and handguns would have virtually no affect on what we have seen recently sans Las Vegas.

It would be political with virtually no change. It is not difficult to make a hunting rifle automatic - although you really don't need an automatic weapon and semi-automatic weapon with a large magazine would do fine.

Hope that helps - your plan would do very little (or possibly nothing).

When did I mention anything about repealing 2A?

Taking 90+% of guns out of circulation would definitely and incontrovertibly have a huge impact on gun deaths. Not sure what planet you live on to think otherwise.

At this stage it seems like you’re just caping for gun enthusiasts. Again, solving the gun problem isn’t a super complex legislative puzzle - it’s about voting the nra out of congress

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[Kanyewest]

Here is Bernie's solution or non-solution. Zonk for POTUS!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/will-anyone-be-the-bernie-sanders-of-gun-control-215674

If you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.

And well said by Politico:

Any serious attempt to address gun violence at the source has to address the accessibility of handguns. But what you mostly hear from gun control proponents—even from the farthest left edge of the Democratic Party—are the more politically palatable but narrower policies for a stronger background check system and an assault weapons ban. This is not going to solve the problem of gun violence. Not even close.

Mostly the left has no solutions on this...

Bernie Sanders is actually less left on guns than Hillary Clinton.

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I’m 100% Trump and his family did not collude.

That’s all that matters. Manafort is clearly some kind of criminal going back 10 years in terms of being some kind of foreign agent and laundering money. The CIA FBI and NSA has already been spying on Trump since July 2016. If there was anything tying Trump and his family to any of this we would already know it. It would already be leaked.


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[Zonkerbl]

Here is Bernie's solution or non-solution. Zonk for POTUS!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/will-anyone-be-the-bernie-sanders-of-gun-control-215674

If you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.

And well said by Politico:

Any serious attempt to address gun violence at the source has to address the accessibility of handguns. But what you mostly hear from gun control proponents—even from the farthest left edge of the Democratic Party—are the more politically palatable but narrower policies for a stronger background check system and an assault weapons ban. This is not going to solve the problem of gun violence. Not even close.

Mostly the left has no solutions on this...

You know, gun advocates have been patiently explaining why the proposed gun control policies won't work and *none of the gun control side are listening.*

I hate guns enough that I'm willing to listen.

Before you nominate me for POTUS, be aware that I took LSD in college, was accused of felony domestic violence (long story - charges eventually dropped but I did in fact do something really stupid) in graduate school, and am thinking about organizing an alt-NRA chapter in Ward 8 for ex-Black Panthers.

[Zonkerbl]

Your solution wouldn't get through because of the second amendment. You have no solution. And many hunting rifles have the same magazines and muzzle velocity as "assault rifles" they just don't look as cool.

You didn't ever address this. Why would the 2nd amendment prevent banning all non handguns and hunting rifles? Handguns are made for killing humans. That meets the 2A criteria.

I have yet to see a valid criticism of my plan.

Sure, getting a repeal to the 2nd Amendment would require two-thirds of the State legislatures to approve it. So, that isn't happening.

Not banning hunting rifles and handguns would have virtually no affect on what we have seen recently sans Las Vegas.

It would be political with virtually no change. It is not difficult to make a hunting rifle automatic - although you really don't need an automatic weapon and semi-automatic weapon with a large magazine would do fine.

Hope that helps - your plan would do very little (or possibly nothing).

Oh, it could happen. It always makes me mad when people are like "It's In the Constitution" like the Constitution was written by God himself and cannot be changed. We can change it. We could alter the wording in the second amendment to make sure gun negligence insurance is permitted. For example.