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Who would you take at 3 if Ayton/Doncic gone?

Bamba
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Bagley
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16%
Jackson
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13%
Porter
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Young
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1761 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:20 am

darealjuice wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation

Where my Zona fans at lol? Sean Miller on a wire talking 100K for Ayton, yikes.


Wow, things not going so well for AZ basketball right now.
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Post#1762 » by kennydorglas » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:25 am

u gone, Sean Miller.
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Post#1763 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:36 am

If all these schools got in trouble and became ineligible for the college tourney, it wouldn't be very good...or maybe it would just be more crazy...but few of the top draft prospects..

Schools identified by Yahoo! as having players who possibly violated NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.
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Post#1764 » by kennydorglas » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:54 am

bwgood77 wrote:If all these schools got in trouble and became ineligible for the college tourney, it wouldn't be very good...or maybe it would just be more crazy...but few of the top draft prospects..

Schools identified by Yahoo! as having players who possibly violated NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.


Villanova winning another title and Jay Wright leaving for the Phoenix Suns :D :D
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Post#1765 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:21 am

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bwgood77 wrote:If all these schools got in trouble and became ineligible for the college tourney, it wouldn't be very good...or maybe it would just be more crazy...but few of the top draft prospects..

Schools identified by Yahoo! as having players who possibly violated NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.


Villanova winning another title and Jay Wright leaving for the Phoenix Suns :D :D


Don't forget Virginia....they are consistently playing great D and beating top tier talented teams and been very highly ranked all season without top tier recruits. I don't know that Jay Wright leaves, but I think this guy, younger, might be the type of Brad Stevens coach who might make the jump..

Not necessarily the typical Suns or NBA type of style, but unselfish basketball and a defensive focus...

Anthony Guy Bennett (born June 1, 1969) is the head coach of the Virginia Cavaliers men's basketball team since March 31, 2009. Bennett is regarded as the best defensive coach in the NCAA (according to a 2015 survey of coaches) and his motion offense is praised as one of the most efficient and elite. The style of basketball he teaches has been compared to a boa constrictor choking out opponents, and his teams are known for their unselfish play, defense-first philosophy, and tempo control.


Bennett has been called (by CBS Sports) the "landlord" of ACC basketball. He is the only coach in ACC history to win 16 conference games in consecutive seasons, and one of three to achieve back-to-back 30-win seasons. In February 2018, Bennett led his Virginia Cavaliers to their first No. 1 ranking in the AP poll since December 1982.Bennett is a two-time winner of the prestigious Henry Iba Award for the nation's top coach, and has won the Jim Phelan Award and National Coach of the Year honors from the AP and Naismith. His Cavaliers won outright ACC regular season titles in 2014 and 2015, won the 2014 ACC Tournament, and reached the Elite Eight in 2016. Bennett shares school records for single-season wins at both Virginia and Washington State, and won six major coaching awards in 2007 to break the Pac-12 record set by legend John Wooden at UCLA in 1972.


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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1766 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:31 am

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Ayton just watches layups go in when he could contest maybe he plays the 4 on defense as he looks better defending the perimeter (Bender would rim protect).


I really sucks because he seems like he has the tools but just doesn't want to do it. It just doesn't seem like you should take a C #1 if the guy doesn't want to protect the rim or stop people from driving in for layups. I mean how many good teams play a good offensive scoring C from the inside who doesn't play D?

Doncic still your #1 overall?
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Post#1767 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:44 am

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Ayton just watches layups go in when he could contest maybe he plays the 4 on defense as he looks better defending the perimeter (Bender would rim protect).


I really sucks because he seems like he has the tools but just doesn't want to do it. It just doesn't seem like you should take a C #1 if the guy doesn't want to protect the rim or stop people from driving in for layups. I mean how many good teams play a good offensive scoring C from the inside who doesn't play D?

Doncic still your #1 overall?


Definitely. He is a guy that invigorates the whole team....make everyone better, do the little things...pass, score, and is a proven winner...an alpha.

I think a good defensive center is important in the league today, but I think they are much easier to come by in free agency....and possibly at low cost. And I don't even think you need to play a true C that much today to be successful.
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Post#1768 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:55 am

Are there any implications for those players implicated in the NCAA scandal? Or is it more of an impact on the college's and agents?
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Post#1769 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:56 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
I really sucks because he seems like he has the tools but just doesn't want to do it. It just doesn't seem like you should take a C #1 if the guy doesn't want to protect the rim or stop people from driving in for layups. I mean how many good teams play a good offensive scoring C from the inside who doesn't play D?

Doncic still your #1 overall?


Definitely. He is a guy that invigorates the whole team....make everyone better, do the little things...pass, score, and is a proven winner...an alpha.

I think a good defensive center is important in the league today, but I think they are much easier to come by in free agency....and possibly at low cost. And I don't even think you need to play a true C that much today to be successful.

I like Doncic as much as I like Ayton but we need Ayton more. That's the only reason I lean one way over the other. Although I put Porter in that equal top 3 if he looks even halfway decent in the games he plays
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Re: NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball 

Post#1770 » by cberry78 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:23 pm

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cberry78 wrote:I haven't seen these 2 compared, but which do you think is the better prospect? A or B?

POS PF PF
YR Fr Fr
HT 6'11" 6'10"
WT 220 lbs 257 lbs
WING 7'1" 7'3"
AGE 18 yrs 18 yrs
GAMES 24 28
MINUTES 32.8 27.4

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PTS 23.2 19.1
REB 12.5 12.5
AST 1.8 2.6
BKS 1.2 2.9
ST 1.1 0.8
TO 2.7 2.6
FG 8.9-15.0 6.9-11.9
FG% .596 .585
3P 0.8-2.2 0.8-1.7
3P% .354 .500
FT 4.6-7.5 4.4-6.1
FT% .620 .715
TS% .628 .647
EFG% .622 .621
USG% 27.1 22.7
OWS/40 .173 .162
DWS/40 .076 .089
WS/40 .249 .250
OBPM 7.5 6.8
DBPM 2.8 6.8
BPM 10.3 13.6


Is this Bagley vs Carter?

It's starting to look like I'm going to die alone atop Bagley mountain.


Are you going to explain this or leave this as is?


To be honest I did reply to McD...I dunno what happened to it. :dontknow:

But yeah, it is Bagley vs. Carter. I really just think that Carter is going to be extremely underrated in this draft after playing in Bagley's shadow. I've read a couple things across the web that Duke's numbers are actually better when Bagley hasn't been on the floor.
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Post#1771 » by phx#7 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:45 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Are there any implications for those players implicated in the NCAA scandal? Or is it more of an impact on the college's and agents?

We may not get to see anymore of them on the court this year, but it won't have any significant impact on them going pro. Everyone knows top prospects get paid, or assumes they do.

It usually takes a level of stupidity to get caught when everyone benefits from looking the other way. This time however I don't think you can really fault them for getting swept up with a FBI probe with wire taps of other people discussing payments to them.

It is incredibly stupid for Miller getting caught on tape, and if no other head coaches were equally as stupid then Arizona may be the one to get made an example of.
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Post#1772 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:42 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Ayton just watches layups go in when he could contest maybe he plays the 4 on defense as he looks better defending the perimeter (Bender would rim protect).


I really sucks because he seems like he has the tools but just doesn't want to do it. It just doesn't seem like you should take a C #1 if the guy doesn't want to protect the rim or stop people from driving in for layups. I mean how many good teams play a good offensive scoring C from the inside who doesn't play D?

Doncic still your #1 overall?

I wonder if Ayton has known that this wiretap thing was going to come out. I could see that really bothering a kid, knowing he might not be able to play out the season anyway.

I am still taking Ayton #1.
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Post#1773 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:53 pm

Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation
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Post#1774 » by kennydorglas » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:04 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation


Why would Arizona sign him to a contract like that? lol
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Post#1775 » by MathiasPW » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation
The university will probably sue him for a similar amount and blame it all on him
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Post#1776 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:11 pm

kennydorglas wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation


Why would Arizona sign him to a contract like that? lol


They probably had to, to ink the deal. I mean it's not expected that a university would have to fire a high profile coach like this. Reading the responses on Terry's tweets are funny considering he got busted for receiving money from agents and wasn't allowed to have his jersey retired at AZ for years.
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Post#1777 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:12 pm

kennydorglas wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation


Why would Arizona sign him to a contract like that? lol


That contract communicates an EXPECTATION of cheating and encourages it. The university president and the board of regents that approved that deal should all be removed.
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Post#1778 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:12 pm

MathiasPW wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Read on Twitter


If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022. However, he would lose a longevity bonus of an undisclosed amount, which Arizona was due to pay him in May 2020.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation
The university will probably sue him for a similar amount and blame it all on him


The contract also provides that if Miller commits an NCAA violation, he would have to pay up to $300,000 in damages to the university's coffers for the price of defending itself. If an NCAA violation occurs, Arizona has the right to claw back bonuses given to Miller during the time of the violation.
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Post#1779 » by kennydorglas » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:14 pm

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Why would Arizona sign him to a contract like that? lol


That contract communicates an EXPECTATION of cheating and encourages it. The university president and the board of regents that approved that deal should all be removed.


This is exactly what i'm thinking too. Really weird and fishy.
I guess we'll have to start the program from the scratch now.
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Post#1780 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:41 pm

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Why would Arizona sign him to a contract like that? lol


That contract communicates an EXPECTATION of cheating and encourages it. The university president and the board of regents that approved that deal should all be removed.


This is exactly what i'm thinking too. Really weird and fishy.
I guess we'll have to start the program from the scratch now.


The language in Miller's contract was standard for all high-profile UA coaches until just last month. The Arizona Board of Regents approved football coach Kevin Sumlin's contract, but only after building in an expanded "morals clause" and offset language requiring a terminated coach to seek employment rather than simply collect money from the UA. Miller has no such clauses.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

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