Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[Magic_Johnny12]

Trading him was necessary. We were not going to resign him so a SRP is better than nothing. I don’t understand what is so hard to understand this concept.

We as fans have been begging for this day literally since the middle of Elf’s first season. We can’t blame current management for EP’s shortcomings and his current worth as a RFA. Let’s wish him well and call it a day.

This benefits our future in every regard, the cleanse IS inevitable. I’m terrified to see how these boards are going to get when we deal players “we” think actually have some trade vale

[PennytoShaq]

Exactly. Its amazing how the FO is clearly loooking to blow this team up yet people want to cry over spilled milk with every single player moved.

And woosah thinks i was happy that we barely lost to the Bulls. Thats the disconnect right there. Not even close to the point i was making.

[VFX]

Trading him was necessary. We were not going to resign him so a SRP is better than nothing. I don’t understand what is so hard to understand this concept.

We as fans have been begging for this day literally since the middle of Elf’s first season. We can’t blame current management for EP’s shortcomings and his current worth as a RFA. Let’s wish him well and call it a day.

This benefits our future in every regard, the cleanse IS inevitable. I’m terrified to see how these boards are going to get when we deal players “we” think actually have some trade vale

It’s amazing how many EP fans come out of the woodwork “defending” him all season. Shouldn’t the organization be more important than any one player?

Orlando Magic fans have no problem moving away from players to make the organization relevant again.

[woosah]

It's amazing how people can't see that people can like players over other players and still like the magic. I remember taking sides in plenty of battles on Arroyo/Jameer, should we have played x player, should we have traded x player and i am still here.

This organization. In that article about Elfrid the writer (i think A Kennedy) started it by saying some player texted him unsolicited to ask what the heck the magic was doing. Just someone in the league that he must have been cool with to text him a reaction to this latest move. We get former players blasting us in the media also. Fans react about the magic almost equal to the way they do about Sacramento and say some of the same things. Our rep isn't good. If you want gripe about what woosah thinks then you aren't paying attention.

[darthmerrick]

the problem with Elf payton is that he shows up here and there. Dude showed promise, but can't shoot a three and often gets blocked by his own hair.

What we're seeing from Elf is nothing new. He always plays well the second half of the season (when your season is over), it secure his job as the starting PG for another year. Are we surprised he's playing well on a contract year? This his last chance to start in the league, if he messes it up...it's backup duty or going over seas to play.

[SOUL]

the problem with Elf payton is that he shows up here and there. Dude showed promise, but can't shoot a three and often gets blocked by his own hair.

What we're seeing from Elf is nothing new. He always plays well the second half of the season (when your season is over), it secure his job as the starting PG for another year. Are we surprised he's playing well on a contract year? This his last chance to start in the league, if he messes it up...it's backup duty or going over seas to play.

Overseas?

[Xatticus]

Exactly. Its amazing how the FO is clearly loooking to blow this team up yet people want to cry over spilled milk with every single player moved.

And woosah thinks i was happy that we barely lost to the Bulls. Thats the disconnect right there. Not even close to the point i was making.

The frustrating aspect of the Payton deal is that there was no reason for it to happen. I could understand moving him if it brought a legitimate asset in return, but this is just a dump. He is blocking nobody's path. We have no better options at present.

Every player in the league has value. It could be positive or negative value, but that value is tied to their contract. Payton is certainly among the top 30 point guards in the NBA at this moment and his career arc is still on an upward trajectory. He was the best PG on our roster and the only one of which we could reasonably expect would still continue to improve.

I don't know what his next contract will look like, but I do know that the Magic were in the driver's seat with his status as a restricted free agent and that the market conditions in free agency this summer are going to be slanted in favor of the teams. His agent probably has been demanding the moon and stars up to this point, but we could've let the situation play out this summer and made a decision then. The very worst-case scenario is that a team throws $15M per year at him and you decide not to match.

[VFX]

Exactly. Its amazing how the FO is clearly loooking to blow this team up yet people want to cry over spilled milk with every single player moved.

And woosah thinks i was happy that we barely lost to the Bulls. Thats the disconnect right there. Not even close to the point i was making.

The frustrating aspect of the Payton deal is that there was no reason for it to happen. I could understand moving him if it brought a legitimate asset in return, but this is just a dump. He is blocking nobody's path. We have no better options at present.

Every player in the league has value. It could be positive or negative value, but that value is tied to their contract. Payton is certainly among the top 30 point guards in the NBA at this moment and his career arc is still on an upward trajectory. He was the best PG on our roster and the only one of which we could reasonably expect would still continue to improve.

I don't know what his next contract will look like, but I do know that the Magic were in the driver's seat with his status as a restricted free agent and that the market conditions in free agency this summer are going to be slanted in favor of the teams. His agent probably has been demanding the moon and stars up to this point, but we could've let the situation play out this summer and made a decision then. The very worst-case scenario is that a team throws $15M per year at him and you decide not to match.

While I agree with most of this, I don’t think the market on Payton (or any of Orlando’s players) was going to be of equal value in return.

Where I disagree with this is the notion that there has to be a “reason” for him to be moved. This roster needs to be blown up and I think EP is the first domino. I would understand more if Payton was drafted by the current FO, but that isn’t the case.

WeHam most likely weren’t fetching any offers for him for prospects or 1st round picks. Furthermore, they probably believed, like most of us, that he wasn’t worth resigning. A second round pick is better than having him walk for nothing. Personally, I was hoping a larger deal involving multiple players was done, so that they could have addressed these roster concerns.

The bad part about his departure, without another PG prospect, is that it places more emphasis on acquiring a starting caliber point. I’m hoping that doesn’t pidgeonhole WeHam into taking Young with other prospects on the board.

[Furinkazan]

Exactly. Its amazing how the FO is clearly loooking to blow this team up yet people want to cry over spilled milk with every single player moved.

And woosah thinks i was happy that we barely lost to the Bulls. Thats the disconnect right there. Not even close to the point i was making.

The frustrating aspect of the Payton deal is that there was no reason for it to happen. I could understand moving him if it brought a legitimate asset in return, but this is just a dump. He is blocking nobody's path. We have no better options at present.

Every player in the league has value. It could be positive or negative value, but that value is tied to their contract. Payton is certainly among the top 30 point guards in the NBA at this moment and his career arc is still on an upward trajectory. He was the best PG on our roster and the only one of which we could reasonably expect would still continue to improve.

I don't know what his next contract will look like, but I do know that the Magic were in the driver's seat with his status as a restricted free agent and that the market conditions in free agency this summer are going to be slanted in favor of the teams. His agent probably has been demanding the moon and stars up to this point, but we could've let the situation play out this summer and made a decision then. The very worst-case scenario is that a team throws $15M per year at him and you decide not to match.

While I agree with most of this, I don’t think the market on Payton (or any of Orlando’s players) was going to be of equal value in return.

Where I disagree with this is the notion that there has to be a “reason” for him to be moved. This roster needs to be blown up and I think EP is the first domino. I would understand more if Payton was drafted by the current FO, but that isn’t the case.

WeHam most likely weren’t fetching any offers for him for prospects or 1st round picks. Furthermore, they probably believed, like most of us, that he wasn’t worth resigning. A second round pick is better than having him walk for nothing. Personally, I was hoping a larger deal involving multiple players was done, so that they could have addressed these roster concerns.

The bad part about his departure, without another PG prospect, is that it places more emphasis on acquiring a starting caliber point. I’m hoping that doesn’t pidgeonhole WeHam into taking Young with other prospects on the board.

problem stays the same ...too lil too late
should just watch the tape and trade him during the summer when he had a bit of more value
we basicly traded this guy for cash considerations
and I do belive someone would take Payton during the summer if we accepted a potential late 1st this or next year.Knicks rumored try to acuire late 1st to trade with us kinda prove that he had that late 1st value.

now we will do exactly the same with Vuc
snce RH Biz signing theres talk about trading Vuc yet offers propably were not gr8...but at some point there had to be offers of late 1st....we propably did think its too low so we stuck with him... and now again if we wont trade him during the summer we are looking at the exact same situation next trade deadline...trading Vuc for 2nd rounder as expiring

I mean at some point you have to realise what you got and face the fact that offers wont get any better (but worse)and try sell high even if that high is not what you wanted but our prev and current gms do it every f time they hold on to cards too long to the point the cards dont have any value left.well they do... 2nd round cash consideration type of value.

[pepe1991]

Best case for Payton, and probably only case where he will keep starting job is that Suns resign him and draft center.
If they take Young or Doncic he is gone or benched.
There is not a single upper tear team that needs starting PG but Spurs, and they probably have no interest in him.

Even lower tear teams don't really need starting PG.

I highly doubt he will get even DJ Augustin type of contract. Maybe 3 years $18M or something like that, at most.

[Jiwol]

Best case for Payton, and probably only case where he will keep starting job is that Suns resign him and draft center.
If they take Young or Doncic he is gone or benched.
There is not a single upper tear team that needs starting PG but Spurs, and they probably have no interest in him.

Even lower tear teams don't really need starting PG.

I highly doubt he will get even DJ Augustin type of contract. Maybe 3 years $18M or something like that, at most.

I think the Suns will pay him big bucks (unless they draft Young). They are gonna get the best, spring version of EP, get infatuated, throw money on him and regret it next season before December.

[pepe1991]

Best case for Payton, and probably only case where he will keep starting job is that Suns resign him and draft center.
If they take Young or Doncic he is gone or benched.
There is not a single upper tear team that needs starting PG but Spurs, and they probably have no interest in him.

Even lower tear teams don't really need starting PG.

I highly doubt he will get even DJ Augustin type of contract. Maybe 3 years $18M or something like that, at most.

I think the Suns will pay him big bucks (unless they draft Young). They are gonna get the best, spring version of EP, get infatuated, throw money on him and regret it next season before December.

Depends what are their draft plans. They are so terrible at shooting from outside because of TJ Warren and Jackson, Elf won't solve that. 29# , only 0,3% behind Lakers and 1,2% worst than third worst Nets.

[Audi]

Trading him was necessary. We were not going to resign him so a SRP is better than nothing. I don’t understand what is so hard to understand this concept.

We as fans have been begging for this day literally since the middle of Elf’s first season. We can’t blame current management for EP’s shortcomings and his current worth as a RFA. Let’s wish him well and call it a day.

This benefits our future in every regard, the cleanse IS inevitable. I’m terrified to see how these boards are going to get when we deal players “we” think actually have some trade vale

Lol. Now this has just hit the epitome of ridiculousness. What kind of fans want a first round pick gone halfway through his rookie season?

Talk about impatience for player development - good Lawd!

[npiper17]

Exactly. Its amazing how the FO is clearly loooking to blow this team up yet people want to cry over spilled milk with every single player moved.

And woosah thinks i was happy that we barely lost to the Bulls. Thats the disconnect right there. Not even close to the point i was making.

The frustrating aspect of the Payton deal is that there was no reason for it to happen. I could understand moving him if it brought a legitimate asset in return, but this is just a dump. He is blocking nobody's path. We have no better options at present.

Every player in the league has value. It could be positive or negative value, but that value is tied to their contract. Payton is certainly among the top 30 point guards in the NBA at this moment and his career arc is still on an upward trajectory. He was the best PG on our roster and the only one of which we could reasonably expect would still continue to improve.

I don't know what his next contract will look like, but I do know that the Magic were in the driver's seat with his status as a restricted free agent and that the market conditions in free agency this summer are going to be slanted in favor of the teams. His agent probably has been demanding the moon and stars up to this point, but we could've let the situation play out this summer and made a decision then. The very worst-case scenario is that a team throws $15M per year at him and you decide not to match.

While I agree with most of this, I don’t think the market on Payton (or any of Orlando’s players) was going to be of equal value in return.

Where I disagree with this is the notion that there has to be a “reason” for him to be moved. This roster needs to be blown up and I think EP is the first domino. I would understand more if Payton was drafted by the current FO, but that isn’t the case.

WeHam most likely weren’t fetching any offers for him for prospects or 1st round picks. Furthermore, they probably believed, like most of us, that he wasn’t worth resigning. A second round pick is better than having him walk for nothing. Personally, I was hoping a larger deal involving multiple players was done, so that they could have addressed these roster concerns.

The bad part about his departure, without another PG prospect, is that it places more emphasis on acquiring a starting caliber point. I’m hoping that doesn’t pidgeonhole WeHam into taking Young with other prospects on the board.

Weltman also said in one of his post-deadline radio interviews that he felt they had a lot of talent in the front office and he wanted to ‘put them to work.’

I took that to mean that they feel they can find a player around #40 that will contribute more on a rookie deal than Elfrid might’ve on a new contract.

I also think he likes the idea of having a roster spot freed up to try out some gleague guys over the next two months (something the Magic only did with MGH and Garino for the last dying embers of the Hennigan era).

Who’s to say another Malcolm Brogdon doesn’t come out of the woodwork around the 40th pick?

[Audi]

Just dawned on me:

Weltman instrumental in trading Elf for a 2018 second rounder.

We owe a 2018 second rounder to TOR for getting Weltman.

LOL.

[p0peye]

Just dawned on me:

Weltman instrumental in trading Elf for a 2018 second rounder.

We owe a 2018 second rounder to TOR for getting Weltman.

LOL.

So we traded Elf for Weltman. Choose wisely, I guess?

[fendilim]

Suns starter didn't score in the first quarter except for Devin (7 points). 40-18 to end the first. Clippers up

[MagicMadness]

It isn't about only getting a 2nd round pick for Elfrid; it's about wasting a 1st round pick on him!

We spent a lottery pick and 4 years at the PG position on nothing. That's what aggravates me.

But with the Magic, lottery picks grow on trees! We've got another one coming in a few months.

[pepe1991]

It isn't about only getting a 2nd round pick for Elfrid; it's about wasting a 1st round pick on him!

We spent a lottery pick and 4 years at the PG position on nothing. That's what aggravates me.

But with the Magic, lottery picks grow on trees! We've got another one coming in a few months.

Should just kept Šarić . At least they could flip him for something more than second round pick.

[p0peye]

It isn't about only getting a 2nd round pick for Elfrid; it's about wasting a 1st round pick on him!

We spent a lottery pick and 4 years at the PG position on nothing. That's what aggravates me.

But with the Magic, lottery picks grow on trees! We've got another one coming in a few months.

Other teams value picks so much that we couldn't get late first for Elfrid, but we were perfectly fine to burn first round pick this past June for most probably two future 2nd round picks. It's like Weltham have some kind of fetish for 2nds and would trade anything to get them.