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Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1841 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:03 pm

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cammac wrote:The last indictment handed down Friday by Mueller is a real kick in the teeth to Manafort.
Also new to this indictment: A long list of items for which Mueller is demanding forfeiture. This includes at least four houses or apartments, bank accounts, and even a life insurance policy.

Manafort is basically crippled financially and Muellers charges are iron clad.
lot of the charges against Manafort pertain to bank fraud. The Feds were able to establish a paper trail to use against Gates, to get him to flip, because he helped Manafort when he needed to alter a genuine profit-and-loss statement for his company, to turn a loss of more than $600K into a profit of more than $2 million, so that he could use it as part of a loan application.

Manafort’s problem was that the P&L statement was in PDF format, and he didn’t know how to alter it. So he emailed it to Gates and asked him to convert it to a Word document. Gates did so and returned it to Manafort, who then doctored it. He returned it to Gates, who then converted it back to a PDF and sent it back to Manafort.

arstechnica.com/…


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/23/1744249/-Manafort-and-Gates-undone-by-converting-PDFs-to-Word-files


Manafort is playing the long-game here, he is still anticipating being pardoned by Trump otherwise he would be cooperating by-now.


A President can't pardon crimes at the state level. What's the over under that more charges are brought up against Pauline Walnuts while he's waiting for that pardon?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1842 » by cammac » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:36 pm

To lighten the mood I find this essay rather funny!
I hope your new relatives are not still sore about 1776, because, as I am sure you know, we need your help. As a fellow “commoner,” I have a favor to ask of you. Do you suppose that you could ask your sister-to-be, the Duchess, to talk to the Duke, and have him prevail upon Prince Charles to talk to the Queen about an important matter? You see we have got ourselves into a terrible fix over here. Things have started to turn out badly.

The question is this. Would your new folks be willing to reconsider the rebellion, you remember, 1776? I know we let things go a little too far. I blame most of it on those guys throwing all that Tea in to Boston Harbor. Well, it turns out that some of them are still around. We have this crowd over here who still go by the name “T-party,” and they seem to still have the same pissy attitude. Do you think if we apologized to the Queen for our being disagreeable to some of her relatives in 1776 that she would forgive us and Britain would take us back?

The problem is this. Our pie in the sky political system is falling apart. Perhaps we didn't study Blackstone's Commentaries closely enough. Maybe we didn't watch PBS or C-Span when it featured the question hour in Parliament. Accordingly, we didn't really learn how to do it right.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/24/1744503/-Reconsidering-1776-Am-open-letter-to-Meghan-Merkle

Well Canada would likely take some of you!
Washington State, Oregon, California, Hawaii in the West and likely have to take Alaska
Maine, NH, Vermont, NYS, Massachusetts, Connecticut, RI, Delaware, NJ, Maryland, Virginia and DC in East
Minnesota, Wisconsin & Illinois in Midwest
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1843 » by Wizardspride » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:49 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1844 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 pm

Democratic memo is out.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1845 » by Wizardspride » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:54 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1846 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:26 pm

So much for the bull talking point that the FBI didn't let the FISA court know Steeles work was political.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1847 » by Wizardspride » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:30 pm

Pointgod wrote:So much for the bull talking point that the FBI didn't let the FISA court know Steeles work was political.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1848 » by Rich Rane » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:37 pm

The Schiff Memo was released as Nunes accepted an award at CPAC for "Defender Of Freedom". :rofl:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1849 » by gtn130 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:00 pm

i'm old enough to remember when Nate claimed the Nunes Memo was the greatest scandal in American history
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1850 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:05 pm

gtn130 wrote:i'm old enough to remember when Nate claimed the Nunes Memo was the greatest scandal in American history


Don't forget to give comrade SD20 some love too. Apparently the scandal would be bigger than Watergate and Republican lawmakers said and I quote "People will go to jail over it".
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1851 » by gtn130 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:06 pm

Pointgod wrote:
gtn130 wrote:i'm old enough to remember when Nate claimed the Nunes Memo was the greatest scandal in American history


Don't forget to give comrade SD20 some love too. Apparently the scandal would be bigger than Watergate and Republican lawmakers said and I quote "People will go to jail over it".


To be fair, he may have been referring to Nunes :lol:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1852 » by Wizardspride » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Rich Rane wrote:The Schiff Memo was released as Nunes accepted an award at CPAC for "Defender Of Freedom". :rofl:

Savage. :nod:

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1853 » by cammac » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:57 pm

If I was General Bone Spurs I would be quite upset if I only got 93% approving his performance as President. It means 7% of the crazies think he is doing a rotten job. Doesn't he realize Kim Jong-un (Rocket Man) gets 100% at that type of meeting in North Korea. He should get Nunes to route out those rebels and put them in the coal mines of West Virginia. OH wait they are closing well then radish farms in North Dakota!

"BIG CPAC STRAW POLL RESULTS: 93% APPROVE OF THE JOB PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING (Thank you!). 50% say President Trump should Tweet MORE or SAME (funny!). 79% say Republicans in Congress should do a better job of working with President Trump (starting to happen)," Trump tweeted.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375465-trump-tweets-cpac-straw-poll-showing-favorable-approval-rating
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1854 » by closg00 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:33 am

Pointgod wrote:
gtn130 wrote:i'm old enough to remember when Nate claimed the Nunes Memo was the greatest scandal in American history


Don't forget to give comrade SD20 some love too. Apparently the scandal would be bigger than Watergate and Republican lawmakers said and I quote "People will go to jail over it".


All of the pre-Nunes memo yapping for the cameras, was 100% clowning for their gullible, fact-free base, they'll never know or understand, the factual differences between the two memos.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1855 » by verbal8 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:25 am

Rich Rane wrote:The Schiff Memo was released as Nunes accepted an award at CPAC for "Defender Of Freedom". :rofl:

Was a Russian the presenter for the award?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1856 » by JWizmentality » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:44 am

Rich Rane wrote:The Schiff Memo was released as Nunes accepted an award at CPAC for "Defender Of Freedom". :rofl:


When they make a movie about this years down the road, I don't know which genre it will fall under. Drama or Comedy?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1857 » by Zonkerbl » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:44 am

So, to summarize, up until 2014 when the Ukrainian dictator he was working for was deposed, Manafort (and Gates) were raking in cash to the tune of $30 million dollars, which they laundered illegally. After Yanukovich was defeated, that income stream dried up and suddenly Manafort was holding the bag for something like $12 million in debt, $8 million to Russian oligarch/mafiosi boss Deripaska. In late 2015 to early 2016 Manafort and Gates are holding a fraud party trying to illegally obtain loans (by lying about their income) to pay Deripaska off, who sued Manafort in Cyprus and then in Virginia (even though Deripaska cannot get a visa to come to the US because of his ties with organized crime in Russia).

Then, suddenly, Manafort volunteers to work as Trump's campaign manager *for free* in March 2016. He then arranged to have messages sent back and forth to Deripaska asking if he can leverage his new position to be "made whole." Now Manafort/Gate's frantic attempts to raise money fraudulently cease, temporarily, as Manafort flies off to Russia to brief Deripaska on ... something, we don't know.

Miraculously, 3 months later, Manafort is able to secure a $16 million loan from a veterans bank in Chicago, a loan that is 25% of the bank's total loanable assets. Mysteriously, one of the senior officials at the bank contacts the Pentagon asking to be briefed on his new job as head of the US army. But that's neither here nor there.

What did Manafort use to get the pressure off of him after joining the Trump campaign? Did he promise to help lift sanctions on Russia in exchange for alleviation of his debt? Did Trump personally know about this scheme? And why is Trump (Trump! himself!) *still* actively sabotaging efforts by the US Congress to impose sanctions on Russia?

There can be no doubt, now, that Trump is dirty as hell and belongs in jail. He betrayed our country for personal gain. Manafort, Trump, all those criminals all had their hands in the Yanukovich till and were all stuck holding the bag when he lost the elections in 2014, they're all in hock to the Russian government and all deeply indebted to the Russians for strategically releasing HRC's hacked (well, stolen - there's some dispute as to how that actually happened, some experts say they were copied to a flash drive and physically carried out, which is not technically hacking) emails, in explicit exchange for lifting of sanctions on Russia, *which Trump has done*. There is no other way to explain Trump's bizaare behavior towards Russia except that he is executing an explicit quid pro quo with Russia to lift sanctions in exchange for easing pressure on Trump and his cronies to pay back their crushing debt - owed to Russian mafiosi bosses, who DO NOT SCREW AROUND.

I predict that Trump will be impeached and in jail by the end of 2019, if he is not bumped off by angry Russian mafiosi first. Although I doubt it - Putin wins either way, either the sanctions get lifted, or the US political system is thrown into absolute chaos. I just hope some specifics of the absolutely evil deeds Trump has committed in betrayal of our country for his own personal gain comes out before Nov 2018.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1858 » by closg00 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:06 am

Zonkerbl wrote:So, to summarize, up until 2014 when the Ukrainian dictator he was working for was deposed, Manafort (and Gates) were raking in cash to the tune of $30 million dollars, which they laundered illegally. After Yanukovich was defeated, that income stream dried up and suddenly Manafort was holding the bag for something like $12 million in debt, $8 million to Russian oligarch/mafiosi boss Deripaska. In late 2015 to early 2016 Manafort and Gates are holding a fraud party trying to illegally obtain loans (by lying about their income) to pay Deripaska off, who sued Manafort in Cyprus and then in Virginia (even though Deripaska cannot get a visa to come to the US because of his ties with organized crime in Russia).

Then, suddenly, Manafort volunteers to work as Trump's campaign manager *for free* in March 2016. He then arranged to have messages sent back and forth to Deripaska asking if he can leverage his new position to be "made whole." Now Manafort/Gate's frantic attempts to raise money fraudulently cease, temporarily, as Manafort flies off to Russia to brief Deripaska on ... something, we don't know.

Miraculously, 3 months later, Manafort is able to secure a $16 million loan from a veterans bank in Chicago, a loan that is 25% of the bank's total loanable assets. Mysteriously, one of the senior officials at the bank contacts the Pentagon asking to be briefed on his new job as head of the US army. But that's neither here nor there.

What did Manafort use to get the pressure off of him after joining the Trump campaign? Did he promise to help lift sanctions on Russia in exchange for alleviation of his debt? Did Trump personally know about this scheme? And why is Trump (Trump! himself!) *still* actively sabotaging efforts by the US Congress to impose sanctions on Russia?

There can be no doubt, now, that Trump is dirty as hell and belongs in jail. He betrayed our country for personal gain. Manafort, Trump, all those criminals all had their hands in the Yanukovich till and were all stuck holding the bag when he lost the elections in 2014, they're all in hock to the Russian government and all deeply indebted to the Russians for strategically releasing HRC's hacked (well, stolen - there's some dispute as to how that actually happened, some experts say they were copied to a flash drive and physically carried out, which is not technically hacking) emails, in explicit exchange for lifting of sanctions on Russia, *which Trump has done*. There is no other way to explain Trump's bizaare behavior towards Russia except that he is executing an explicit quid pro quo with Russia to lift sanctions in exchange for easing pressure on Trump and his cronies to pay back their crushing debt - owed to Russian mafiosi bosses, who DO NOT SCREW AROUND.

I predict that Trump will be impeached and in jail by the end of 2019, if he is not bumped off by angry Russian mafiosi first. Although I doubt it - Putin wins either way, either the sanctions get lifted, or the US political system is thrown into absolute chaos. I just hope some specifics of the absolutely evil deeds Trump has committed in betrayal of our country for his own personal gain comes out before Nov 2018.


:clap: Helluva a recap, nicely done
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1859 » by Zonkerbl » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:13 am

Hats off to Rachel Maddow for summarizing everything succinctly and objectively. Well everything except the last three paragraphs, which are my speculation.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1860 » by Zonkerbl » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:14 am

What *about* those emails, huh, mfers?
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