NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[darealjuice]

The language in Miller's contract was standard for all high-profile UA coaches until just last month. The Arizona Board of Regents approved football coach Kevin Sumlin's contract, but only after building in an expanded "morals clause" and offset language requiring a terminated coach to seek employment rather than simply collect money from the UA. Miller has no such clauses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

[bwgood77]

The language in Miller's contract was standard for all high-profile UA coaches until just last month. The Arizona Board of Regents approved football coach Kevin Sumlin's contract, but only after building in an expanded "morals clause" and offset language requiring a terminated coach to seek employment rather than simply collect money from the UA. Miller has no such clauses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

It sounds like it could lead them in the right direction but I think they'd need some sort of proof of payment. Given his assistant already was charged for something similar it doesn't bode well, though I'm sure agents/players/families often ask teams for money so I don't know if the conversation is him being told Ayton wants that much so that it was discussed and that's the end of it or if he was in fact paid...which it feels they would have reported if proven....all it says is a very vague

discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats

Of course with the media and quick judgement these days it's pretty hard to be viewed as innocent until proven guilty.

[Djedefre]

The more i watch Bamba and Jackson the more i'm desperate for us to get a top 4 pick. Doncic/Ayton/Young/Porter or bust for me.

[jcsunsfan]

The language in Miller's contract was standard for all high-profile UA coaches until just last month. The Arizona Board of Regents approved football coach Kevin Sumlin's contract, but only after building in an expanded "morals clause" and offset language requiring a terminated coach to seek employment rather than simply collect money from the UA. Miller has no such clauses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

Ha. ESPN probably bribed the FBI leaker more than $100,000 to get the story on the $100,000 bribe.

[thamadkant]

Regarding Ayton and Doncic.

Quiet simply I think Suns drafting another wing ball dominant player would just confuse and add issues. Booker, Payton, Jackson, Warren etc... And supposedly Bender are all ball handlers or capable of being given the ball from top of the key and work with it. But they lack someone to command attention inside.

Hence Ayton would balance out the team.
He would fit right in and just take over Len and Chandler and own the inside responsibilities for the Suns.


If Doncic is the guy... They have to make more moves which may lead to regrets later on.

[DirtyDez]

The language in Miller's contract was standard for all high-profile UA coaches until just last month. The Arizona Board of Regents approved football coach Kevin Sumlin's contract, but only after building in an expanded "morals clause" and offset language requiring a terminated coach to seek employment rather than simply collect money from the UA. Miller has no such clauses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

[jcsunsfan]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

[darealjuice]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/ua/2018/02/24/fire-suspend-defend-miller-arizonas-options-after-espn-report/370099002/

What seems fishy to me is that the FBI would contact ESPN to let them know about criminal evidence they might have. Do they have slam dunk criminal evidence against Miller? If so they should be arresting him and not leaking it through espn. It's almost as if the wiretaps are not real definitive and don't prove any criminal activity.

Was a payment made or did this agent's runner just tell him it might cost him $100,000. It almost seems like a tactic to try and get someone to come clean about something that might have happened.

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

A leak from who?

Who knows. Could be someone within the FBI, there could have been some kind of communication to Miller/the school/the NCAA that ended up getting loose, it could be secondhand info from someone that knows someone involved in the investigation that let something slip. Honestly this could have been known from the beginning and is just now getting out, this isn't the first time UA has been named in the FBI investigation after all.

[DirtyDez]

This is probably just a leak before the dam busts. Happens all the time, the FBI is enormous and this isn't exactly information that's putting lives in danger, nor would it be considered classified. I'd say a wiretap discussing a $100,000 payment for Ayton to come to UA is about as slam dunk as it's going to get.

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

[darealjuice]

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

Wow now that's interesting

[jcsunsfan]

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

You can't sit a scholarship player just on a rumor, can you? I could see doing it with a coach, pending an investigation, but player's time is limited. Also, its possible that Ayton knew nothing about all this. The money seems to be spent to steer him toward a particular school and may have been done without his knowledge. Its a sleezy world.

[DirtyDez]

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

You can't sit a scholarship player just on a rumor, can you? I could see doing it with a coach, pending an investigation, but player's time is limited. Also, its possible that Ayton knew nothing about all this. The money seems to be spent to steer him toward a particular school and may have been done without his knowledge. Its a sleezy world.

I don’t see reason why he shouldn’t play tonight. At this point there’s less proof that he’s been paid than Josh Jackson, Wendell Carter, Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges who were listed in documents with payments down to the specific amount. By all reports none of them are sitting.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Having watched a whole lot of passive play from our interior players since the departure of Amare - including most recently the Plush Dragan and Beefy Quese - I'm ready to add a big who will take it to the hole on offense.

Give me Marvin Bagley!!!!

[bwgood77]

A leak from who? I’m cornfused...

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

Something is off. The FBI isn't going to leak evidence before anyone is charged....at least if whoever did was caught they'd be out of a job. I just kind of have a hard time believing Miller would personally pay $100K for a year from him. If that big of a payment was made, who covered the cost and it is almost certain that amount of money is moved to high profile college recruits without it being caught whether it be the transaction itself or sudden spending by the Ayton family.

[bwgood77]

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

You can't sit a scholarship player just on a rumor, can you? I could see doing it with a coach, pending an investigation, but player's time is limited. Also, its possible that Ayton knew nothing about all this. The money seems to be spent to steer him toward a particular school and may have been done without his knowledge. Its a sleezy world.

I don’t see reason why he shouldn’t play tonight. At this point there’s less proof that he’s been paid than Josh Jackson, Wendell Carter, Kevin Knox and Miles Bridges who were listed in documents with payments down to the specific amount. By all reports none of them are sitting.

Yeah, I doubt he sits. I don't particularly like the Cats chances tonight though.

[bwgood77]

The more i watch Bamba and Jackson the more i'm desperate for us to get a top 4 pick. Doncic/Ayton/Young/Porter or bust for me.

So you feel pretty certain that's McD's top 4 as well?

[Djedefre]

The more i watch Bamba and Jackson the more i'm desperate for us to get a top 4 pick. Doncic/Ayton/Young/Porter or bust for me.

So you feel pretty certain that's McD's top 4 as well?

Unfortunately, no. That’s just my strong preference. Actually, i’m pretty sure if you sub Bagley for Young you’d get McD’s top4..

[DirtyDez]

FBI leak to ESPN, I think.

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This is getting crazy with the N.C.A.A. president chiming in on allegations. Miller won’t coach b/c the optics are so bad but I see no reason for Ayton to sit given none of the other players listed are either.

Something is off. The FBI isn't going to leak evidence before anyone is charged....at least if whoever did was caught they'd be out of a job. I just kind of have a hard time believing Miller would personally pay $100K for a year from him. If that big of a payment was made, who covered the cost and it is almost certain that amount of money is moved to high profile college recruits without it being caught whether it be the transaction itself or sudden spending by the Ayton family.

There’s a lot of holes including the date of the calls and Ayton’s committnent as well as it not making sense for the FBI to leak information. For me it comes down to what you said. Is Miller really irresponsible enough to do his own dirty work on a phone call? If he is then he’s facing federal problems bigger than N.C.A.A. violations.

Time will tell but Arizona is screwed regardless for a couple years. The stigma is too much right now and whether Miller is guilty of this or not he should’ve never allowed Book Richardson to be on his staff that long. You hope that he’s eventually cleared and Arizona can move forward with a new coach to rebuild the program without crippling sanctions.

[Damkac]

Young and Ayton scares me. Sure Ayton has body made to play basketball but if he will play soft and won't even try on defense it won't help us much.
Though injured, Porter seems like a 2nd safest choice after Doncic. He is a player that could fit any team and make it better immediately. With Plush Dragon and Headless Chriss looking like busts I'm liking him more.