Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk)

[Marvel]

Dumb me i didn't realise Kawhi has been cleared to play and he's opted to sit out the rest of season.

That is a game changer. No doubt there is a disconnect thing going on there. I hope Danny is working on a deal for Kawhi for the off season.

[Moose23]

Dumb me i didn't realise Kawhi has been cleared to play and he's opted to sit out the rest of season.

That is a game changer. No doubt there is a disconnect thing going on there. I hope Danny is working on a deal for Kawhi for the off season.

Would still need a center but if team could add Leonard to the small forward or pf spot then lookout.

Personally I like

Irving
Brown
Hayward
Leonard
Horford/theis.

Still young. All can defend multiple positions.

Great matchup for gs too with smart off the bench imo.

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[SmartWentCrazy]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-injury-status-recovery-shoulder-shooting-mechanics-shot-20180224.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true&__twitter_impression=true

The organization believes Fultz has developed a hitch over time and his case of the yips is strictly mental. Sources around the NBA have said people inside the Sixers organization have been telling league colleagues the same thing since October.

Well, that’s that. Looks like there never was an injury. I feel terrible for the kid, I dont think he’ll ever fix this. What a bummer.

[Homerclease]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-injury-status-recovery-shoulder-shooting-mechanics-shot-20180224.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true&__twitter_impression=true

The organization believes Fultz has developed a hitch over time and his case of the yips is strictly mental. Sources around the NBA have said people inside the Sixers organization have been telling league colleagues the same thing since October.

Well, that’s that. Looks like there never was an injury. I feel terrible for the kid, I dont think he’ll ever fix this. What a bummer.

Good grief, if we manage Ayton out of the deal then this trade may be a bigger rip off than the nets deal

[Kolkmania]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-injury-status-recovery-shoulder-shooting-mechanics-shot-20180224.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true&__twitter_impression=true

The organization believes Fultz has developed a hitch over time and his case of the yips is strictly mental. Sources around the NBA have said people inside the Sixers organization have been telling league colleagues the same thing since October.

Well, that’s that. Looks like there never was an injury. I feel terrible for the kid, I dont think he’ll ever fix this. What a bummer.

Even if that quote is true, why does it dismiss the notion that he had a (light) shoulder injury? Perhaps did he developed that hitch because that shoulder was nagging him.

Keith Pompey is a terrible reporter btw.

[SmartWentCrazy]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-injury-status-recovery-shoulder-shooting-mechanics-shot-20180224.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true&__twitter_impression=true

The organization believes Fultz has developed a hitch over time and his case of the yips is strictly mental. Sources around the NBA have said people inside the Sixers organization have been telling league colleagues the same thing since October.

Well, that’s that. Looks like there never was an injury. I feel terrible for the kid, I dont think he’ll ever fix this. What a bummer.

Even if that quote is true, why does it dismiss the notion that he had a (light) shoulder injury? Perhaps did he developed that hitch because that shoulder was nagging him.

Keith Pompey is a terrible reporter btw.

You are free to believe what you want.

The Sixers clearly believe this is a mental issue and have acted as such from the start (playing him for multiple games to begin the season, declaring him pain free and 100% cured from his ailment). The Sixers obviously fed Pompey this line as well.

I think its quite clear that there was never an injury, at least not a serious one. Its why his agent looked like a fool with the whole fluid thing, too.

[Kolkmania]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-injury-status-recovery-shoulder-shooting-mechanics-shot-20180224.html?amphtml=y&mobi=true&__twitter_impression=true



Well, that’s that. Looks like there never was an injury. I feel terrible for the kid, I dont think he’ll ever fix this. What a bummer.

Even if that quote is true, why does it dismiss the notion that he had a (light) shoulder injury? Perhaps did he developed that hitch because that shoulder was nagging him.

Keith Pompey is a terrible reporter btw.

You are free to believe what you want.

The Sixers clearly believe this is a mental issue and have acted as such from the start (playing him for multiple games to begin the season, declaring him pain free and 100% cured from his ailment). The Sixers obviously fed Pompey this line as well.

I think its quite clear that there was never an injury, at least not a serious one. Its why his agent looked like a fool with the whole fluid thing, too.

I'm not denying that it's mental, I think it's both.

Beginning of the whole drama probably had some shoulder soreness/injury involved which exaggerated the issue. I do believe that the injury itself is fixed, but Fultz is struggling to refind his shot. But nobody knows for sure, that's why I commented on the bolded part. It's really weird because it does look fine when he shoots a turnaround jumper for example.

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Not sure what you're referencing to with the agent comment. He misspoke and confused draining fluid from his shoulder with a cortisone shot.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Even if that quote is true, why does it dismiss the notion that he had a (light) shoulder injury? Perhaps did he developed that hitch because that shoulder was nagging him.

Keith Pompey is a terrible reporter btw.

You are free to believe what you want.

The Sixers clearly believe this is a mental issue and have acted as such from the start (playing him for multiple games to begin the season, declaring him pain free and 100% cured from his ailment). The Sixers obviously fed Pompey this line as well.

I think its quite clear that there was never an injury, at least not a serious one. Its why his agent looked like a fool with the whole fluid thing, too.

I'm not denying that it's mental, I think it's both.

Beginning of the whole drama probably had some shoulder soreness/injury involved which exaggerated the issue. I do believe that the injury itself is fixed, but Fultz is struggling to refind his shot. But nobody knows for sure, that's why I commented on the bolded part. It's really weird because it does look fine when he shoots a turnaround jumper for example.

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Not sure what you're referencing to with the agent comment. He misspoke and confused draining fluid from his shoulder with a cortisone shot.

Youre entirely brushing off the story by labeling Pompey as a “terrible reporter”. He didnt make this up, hes historically been a mouthpiece for your FO and was fed this by someone.

The Sixers believe that, dating back to October, this was a mental issue. This jives with how they treated him, playing him 4 games in 6 nights, including a B2B. Surely, if the Sixers believed he was injured, they wouldnt have played him— they been overly cautious with high picks before, itd be so out of character to take risks this year.

The Sixers have no reason to put out a story that this is the yips. It doesnt help them at all. Thats why I believe it.

I think this also jives with why he can shoot a turnaround jumper— he stops thinking about it and the mental block disappears.

Regarding the agent, he stumbled all over himself with fluid first being drained before later stating it was a cortizine shot that was actually injected. Its an incredibly peculiar thing to occur if the injury were real. Theres a massive difference between fluid being drained and cortizone being injected into his shoulder.

[Kolkmania]

Once again, I'm not dismissing that a big part of this is mental. Just thought that your statement that he never had a problem with his shoulder was weird.

Youre entirely brushing off the story by labeling Pompey as a “terrible reporter”. He didnt make this up, hes historically been a mouthpiece for your FO and was fed this by someone.

This isn't a new story though. Kyle Neubeck already reported that he kept shooting even in the months he went to Kentucky for physiotherapy. The Athletic had a massive report with new information and extensive reconstructions as well. This is a typical Keith Pompey article, no new information, some sketchy quotes and a whole lot of unfounded insinuations by the author to bait clicks.

Surely, if the Sixers believed he was injured, they wouldnt have played him— they been overly cautious with high picks before, itd be so out of character to take risks this year.

Just like playing Embiid with a torn meniscus last January? Sam Hinkie had an extremely conservative approach, but the players have a major influence on their availability now. Fultz wanted to contribute and decided to play through his discomforts, obviously the wrong call in hindsight.

Regarding the agent, he stumbled all over himself with fluid first being drained before later stating it was a cortizine shot that was actually injected. Its an incredibly peculiar thing to occur if the injury were real. Theres a massive difference between fluid being drained and cortizone being injected into his shoulder.

So because the agent made a big mistake, which he corrected himself, the whole shoulder thing is made up?

[NinjaBro]

but let’s be real here VanVleet is a JAG as is Siakam.

Disagree heavily on VanVleet. He is undersized but a good back-up point guard. Dude can play.

I second this. I haven't been watching him on the Raps, but the guy was an outstanding college player who both carried and led some dominant Wichita State teams. Physical/athletic limitations were the only things that were going to prevent him from having a long NBA career.

So far this season, the Raps are actually 13.3 points better (per 100 poss) with VanVleet on the floor than with Lowry on the floor.

Vanvleet has been a revelation for us this year. There's a reason why he is always closing out every game for us now. He leads the league in net rating at 14.4 (ahead of Curry) and 3rd in the league in defensive rating. He also leads the nba's most potent 5 man lineup right now as the main guy out of our bench who are outscoring opponents by 28.5 per 100 possessions (Vanvleet, Poeltl, Siakam, Wright, Miles) https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*150:GROUP_NAME*E*&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He's been really good and a difference maker. A case can be made that he's our 3rd best player this season. Earlier in the year he was getting spot minutes and we didn't know what we had from him. Now he's getting a lot more minutes and is our closer. Pretty good for being an undrafted player and was our 3rd string PG last year that never saw the floor.

[truth18]

Disagree heavily on VanVleet. He is undersized but a good back-up point guard. Dude can play.

I second this. I haven't been watching him on the Raps, but the guy was an outstanding college player who both carried and led some dominant Wichita State teams. Physical/athletic limitations were the only things that were going to prevent him from having a long NBA career.

So far this season, the Raps are actually 13.3 points better (per 100 poss) with VanVleet on the floor than with Lowry on the floor.

Vanvleet has been a revelation for us this year. There's a reason why he is always closing out every game for us now. He leads the league in net rating at 14.4 (ahead of Curry) and 3rd in the league in defensive rating. He also leads the nba's most potent 5 man lineup right now as the main guy out of our bench who are outscoring opponents by 28.5 per 100 possessions (Vanvleet, Poeltl, Siakam, Wright, Miles) https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*150:GROUP_NAME*E*&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He's been really good and a difference maker. A case can be made that he's our 3rd best player this season. Earlier in the year he was getting spot minutes and we didn't know what we had from him. Now he's getting a lot more minutes and is our closer. Pretty good for being an undrafted player and was our 3rd string PG last year that never saw the floor.

No one cares.

[Moose23]

I second this. I haven't been watching him on the Raps, but the guy was an outstanding college player who both carried and led some dominant Wichita State teams. Physical/athletic limitations were the only things that were going to prevent him from having a long NBA career.

So far this season, the Raps are actually 13.3 points better (per 100 poss) with VanVleet on the floor than with Lowry on the floor.

Vanvleet has been a revelation for us this year. There's a reason why he is always closing out every game for us now. He leads the league in net rating at 14.4 (ahead of Curry) and 3rd in the league in defensive rating. He also leads the nba's most potent 5 man lineup right now as the main guy out of our bench who are outscoring opponents by 28.5 per 100 possessions (Vanvleet, Poeltl, Siakam, Wright, Miles) https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*150:GROUP_NAME*E*&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He's been really good and a difference maker. A case can be made that he's our 3rd best player this season. Earlier in the year he was getting spot minutes and we didn't know what we had from him. Now he's getting a lot more minutes and is our closer. Pretty good for being an undrafted player and was our 3rd string PG last year that never saw the floor.

No one cares.

lolololol

[SmartWentCrazy]

Once again, I'm not dismissing that a big part of this is mental. Just thought that your statement that he never had a problem with his shoulder was weird.

Youre entirely brushing off the story by labeling Pompey as a “terrible reporter”. He didnt make this up, hes historically been a mouthpiece for your FO and was fed this by someone.

This isn't a new story though. Kyle Neubeck already reported that he kept shooting even in the months he went to Kentucky for physiotherapy. The Athletic had a massive report with new information and extensive reconstructions as well. This is a typical Keith Pompey article, no new information, some sketchy quotes and a whole lot of unfounded insinuations by the author to bait clicks.

Philadelphia telling people around the league since october (i.e. the first time injury news came to light) that it was mental amd the yips is new to me. Its significant too.

Pompey isnt going to make this up. I get how local fans get sensitive and try to deny its legitimacy [celtics fans have done it when Chris Mannix reported that he doubted Hayward returns tbis season], but this absolutely is newsworthy.

Surely, if the Sixers believed he was injured, they wouldnt have played him— they been overly cautious with high picks before, itd be so out of character to take risks this year.

Just like playing Embiid with a torn meniscus last January? Sam Hinkie had an extremely conservative approach, but the players have a major influence on their availability now. Fultz wanted to contribute and decided to play through his discomforts, obviously the wrong call in hindsight.

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Ben Simmons was fullu recovered late last season and practicing with the team, but he didnt return. Or does that not count because it works against your argument?

Regarding the agent, he stumbled all over himself with fluid first being drained before later stating it was a cortizine shot that was actually injected. Its an incredibly peculiar thing to occur if the injury were real. Theres a massive difference between fluid being drained and cortizone being injected into his shoulder.

So because the agent made a big mistake, which he corrected himself, the whole shoulder thing is made up?

[/quote]

Seems kinda weird to get a key fact about your major client that incorrect when you go to Woj for PR reasons. And when your own front office has essentially confirmed that, since October, its been mental, it seems even weirder. And even weirder that he said he couldnt lift his arm above his head when your own reporters are stating the opposite.

Again, you are free to believe whatever you want. There's just a mountain of evidence that this is the yips and has been the yips for quite some time. It **** sucks and I feel terrible for the kid, but im not going to be ignorant and pretend that hes been dealing with some injury when your own team has been leaking the opposite all year.

[3D Chess]

Dejounte Murray is awesome.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Cavs rely so much on Korver's off ball movements to generate them offense. I'm sorry but that team just isn't much to look at..LeBron is still going to have to go for 30/10/10 at least for them to win games in the playoffs..

[GoCeltics123]

Dejounte Murray is awesome.

Spurs just hit on seemingly every late first man...it's not fair

[K For Three]

All right!!! Cavs lose. Here we go!!!!

[albas89]

Cleveland should not be the favorites for the East... They got little time to gel and they filled their roster with wildly inconsistent players.

I could see them in the finals but equally possible they get knocked out of the 2nd round. I give them literally zero chance to beat the Warriors or the Rockets, save for catastrophic injuries for both teams. Anyone saying otherwise is just talking Skip Bayless level BS...

[BRUNiNHO91]

Cleveland should not be the favorites for the East... They got little time to gel and they filled their roster with wildly inconsistent players.

I could see them in the finals but equally possible they get knocked out of the 2nd round. I give them literally zero chance to beat the Warriors or the Rockets, save for catastrophic injuries for both teams. Anyone saying otherwise is just talking Skip Bayless level BS...

If we are being fair, Toronto should be the favorites. They are the best team if Lowry and Demar don't **** their pants.

[K For Three]

I think the Celtics will reclaim the first seed by years end.

Cavs stay third.