Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[colaroaster]

behooves me the c’s don’t run more ally-oops for brown. at least once a game it should be mandatory


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[ermocrate]

That’s only true if Kyrie opts in which would mean he is hurt or something. I do kind of like the idea of keeping the team intact. I’m a homer though I’ll always like what we do and convince myself it’s good just like the Tatum trade. Especially with the track record. If it doesn’t work I’ll make excuses lol

Did you think the KI will not stay at ONLY 21 mill if he knows we can net a big fish?

I'm thinking he opts out for sure and takes the money. Why wouldn't he? He can get it and has an injury history. I see what you are saying and we can hope but I'm not holding my breath.

If the choice is, win the next 5 titles renouncing 10-12 millions for a year or be a perennial loser I think he will think about it. I can't see anyone be a menace to the Celtics IF Brown and Tatum come out strong. Maybe Philly if they hit the jackpot with at least a couple of other players.

[ParticleMan]

i think jaylen has been untouchable for a while. AD excepted of course. upside is higher than tatum's.

[ermocrate]

i think jaylen has been untouchable for a while. AD excepted of course. upside is higher than tatum's.

Yeah, Leonard had more upside of Durant out of the college, JB and JT are in the same situation.

[reload141]

Curious to know what his defensive metrics are in comparison to say Butler/Paul George.... anyone got this?

[GoCeltics123]

Curious to know what his defensive metrics are in comparison to say Butler/Paul George.... anyone got this?

Jaylen Brown: 2.8 DWS, 0.7 DBPM, 104.1 Defensive Rating
Jimmy Butler: 1.7 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 109.1 Defensive Rating
Paul George: 3.0 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 105.5 Defensive Rating

[reload141]

Curious to know what his defensive metrics are in comparison to say Butler/Paul George.... anyone got this?

Jaylen Brown: 2.8 DWS, 0.7 DBPM, 104.1 Defensive Rating
Jimmy Butler: 1.7 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 109.1 Defensive Rating
Paul George: 3.0 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 105.5 Defensive Rating

PG is a beast. Interesting about Brown though.... I guess Smart is still the defensive stud of the team though?

[cloverleaf]

Curious to know what his defensive metrics are in comparison to say Butler/Paul George.... anyone got this?

Jaylen Brown: 2.8 DWS, 0.7 DBPM, 104.1 Defensive Rating
Jimmy Butler: 1.7 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 109.1 Defensive Rating
Paul George: 3.0 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 105.5 Defensive Rating

PG is a beast. Interesting about Brown though.... I guess Smart is still the defensive stud of the team though?

Stats don't tell all, of course, but AB with generally the best D stats, and TRo as often ahead of Smart. But the numbers don't show Smart's whole influence on the team's D.

[titlebound1]

Jaylen strikes me as the type who will leave as soon as he's an UFA. Obviously we're still years away from that. But money will start becoming an issue very soon. If we're going to move Brown, this would be the summer to do it

So GS can manage to have 4 star and we can't? Anyway Brown will be UFA in 2021, 3 years from now.

They're going to have to do some scrambling for Thompson unless he is cool with taking a discount. Like a pretty big one.

Al and Gordon already have the max. Kyrie is next. Al will be off the books by the time Jaylen and Tatum are due, but they are both going to get maxed out too at some point if they keep improving. So there will be some questions on what to do with smart and rozier.

The warriors are also spending big on the second best player on the planet and another guy who is maybe in the top 5. We would be spending it on one top ten player and then maybe a couple of top 20ish guys. The need to spread the money around isn't nearly as important for them. They could have the worst bench in the league and still win a championship.

[titlebound1]

Jaylen strikes me as the type who will leave as soon as he's an UFA. Obviously we're still years away from that. But money will start becoming an issue very soon. If we're going to move Brown, this would be the summer to do it

He strikes me as the opposite. I think Jaylen enjoys being a Celtic as much as IT did. He seemed visibly shaken by the way we raised PP’s jersey to the rafters. And being a typical Berkeley guy, of course he embraces Boston.

Oh God...please don't compare Boston to Berkeley. I'd like to think we're quite a bit better than that.

Is there a video of Jaylen at the ceremony? I haven't seen it.

But back to the main point. I could see him being the type who doesn't not handle criticism that well. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear he takes major offense to something written by the big bad Boston media. Who knows... regardless, I'd rather keep Tatum if I could only have 1

[titlebound1]

Double post

[GoCeltics123]

Jaylen Brown: 2.8 DWS, 0.7 DBPM, 104.1 Defensive Rating
Jimmy Butler: 1.7 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 109.1 Defensive Rating
Paul George: 3.0 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 105.5 Defensive Rating

PG is a beast. Interesting about Brown though.... I guess Smart is still the defensive stud of the team though?

Stats don't tell all, of course, but AB with generally the best D stats, and TRo as often ahead of Smart. But the numbers don't show Smart's whole influence on the team's D.

DPBM stats have Theis, Horford, Tatum and Baynes all over Smart.

[GoCeltics123]

Jaylen Brown: 2.8 DWS, 0.7 DBPM, 104.1 Defensive Rating
Jimmy Butler: 1.7 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 109.1 Defensive Rating
Paul George: 3.0 DWS, 0.1 DBPM, 105.5 Defensive Rating

PG is a beast. Interesting about Brown though.... I guess Smart is still the defensive stud of the team though?

Stats don't tell all, of course, but AB with generally the best D stats, and TRo as often ahead of Smart. But the numbers don't show Smart's whole influence on the team's D.

Actually if AB is Avery Bradley Avery's advanced defensive metrics weren't good at all. That generally has to do with the fact that, like Smart, he's always guarding the opponent's best perimeter player. Also, when he was on the court, the team's defensive rating is higher (for those who don't know what that means, it means we'd give up more points with him on the court per 100 possessions than off it).

[tlee324]

No one is untouchable; that much has been proven over the years since Ainge took over. Jaylen certainly is setting up the Celtics very well with his play, either way as a trade asset or a building block. Gotta appreciate the work he's putting in.

[keevsnick1]

No one is untouchable, Ainge would trade Kyrie Irving in a hot second if he could upgrade. But Jaylen certainly isnt getting traded for anything less than an MVP candidate level player especially after the garbage packages we've seen all stars go for lately and the improvement he's made this year. Hes certainly making it a very interesting question between who goes out in a trade, Jaylen or Tatum. Two months ago most people would have said keep Tatum, but I've always believed that Jaylen may A) Have the higher upside, B) Been a better fit in a lineup with Anthony Davis and C) Been the exact type of player you need against the warriors. If you have to give up one to get AD then its a tough call.

[return2glory]

I enjoy Brown and Tatum improving. I want them to keep getting better and better. It helps the team and it helps build trade value. If we can include Brown or Tatum in a package for AD or Leonard, you do it. If those trades don’t happen, then I will gladly keep them as long has they keep working hard on improving their games and keep getting better.

[Romeiro Celtic]

Why would we trade for Kawhi if we have Hayward?

[Gurton Buster]

I enjoy Brown and Tatum improving. I want them to keep getting better and better. It helps the team and it helps build trade value. If we can include Brown or Tatum in a package for AD or Leonard, you do it. If those trades don’t happen, then I will gladly keep them as long has they keep working hard on improving their games and keep getting better.

Thought JB was a scrub lol.

[cloverleaf]

PG is a beast. Interesting about Brown though.... I guess Smart is still the defensive stud of the team though?

Stats don't tell all, of course, but AB with generally the best D stats, and TRo as often ahead of Smart. But the numbers don't show Smart's whole influence on the team's D.

Actually if AB is Avery Bradley Avery's advanced defensive metrics weren't good at all. That generally has to do with the fact that, like Smart, he's always guarding the opponent's best perimeter player. Also, when he was on the court, the team's defensive rating is higher (for those who don't know what that means, it means we'd give up more points with him on the court per 100 possessions than off it).

No, sorry, talking about this year's team--and Aron Baynes.

[CelticTillDeath]

Why would we trade for Kawhi if we have Hayward?

Well for starters, because Hayward is a top 25ish player in the nba while Kawhi is a top 3 player who also happens to be the best two-way player in the league. Then of course another reason is because you could actually play Hayward, Kawhi, and whichever one we don’t trade between Brown or Tatum, together in the starting 5. Think of it as a significantly better starting 5 then we threw out there on opening night, which was Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford.

Next year, a starting 5 of Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi, and Horford, would be the most versatile starting line up in basketball, both offensively and defensively. You have the perfect group to execute brads “switch everything” defense, as well as having 4 guys (Kyrie, Hayward, Kawhi,Horford) that can all bring the ball up and run the offense. That right there is a team that can and will beat Golden State in a 7 game series.

I’m the leader of the Brown fan club by the way. I think he can eventually be a player that falls between Jimmy Butler and a poor mans Kawhi. So I’m only moving him in a deal for Kawhi or Davis.

Oh, and neither the Spurs or Pelicans are getting BOTH Brown and Tatum. It’s one or the other with picks and salary filler in deals for Kawhi or Davis.