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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#81 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:24 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Can't say enough about how Cunningham has won me over. he really fits in as kind of that vet we've been needing since we traded Booker.

Not to rag on Book, but Cunningham is better than him.


his ability to hit threes while hitting the glass hard definitely fits into the offense i lot better.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#82 » by Roy Tarpley » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:15 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Can't say enough about how Cunningham has won me over. he really fits in as kind of that vet we've been needing since we traded Booker.

Not to rag on Book, but Cunningham is better than him.


his ability to hit threes while hitting the glass hard definitely fits into the offense i lot better.


This being said, Cunningham is playing out of his mind right now and above his career norms in pretty much every category.

Booker was a 12/10 per 36 at 52/31/63 while Cunningham is 10/6 per 36 at 47/33/64. Once Cunningham returns to his career norms, I think one could make a good case that Booker is better.

What I'd say about Cunningham is that he has the confidence to take more 3s, and at this contract level, he's definitely a better value than Booker.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#83 » by kamaze » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:37 am

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you haven't seen Whitehead. I have, they play him at PG, he hasn't been great at that in the G-League. He's up here in case someone gets hurt and boom you need a sub. Or garbage time. He's not in the future plans. Not wit guys like Levert here and Senglin in the G-League.


I saw Whitehead all of last year. I was pretty critical of him, probably overly so since he was a rookie, but he was dribbling the ball off his foot and throwing passes into the stands. I was wondering why we weren't playing Dinwiddie more. Whitehead started playing better in the second half, even developing his patented spin move. Haven't followed his progress in the d league at all. I like Senglin a lot and his 3pt potential.

Well the best way I can put it is Whitehead hasn't really developed his PG skills. Senglin is even doing better than him.


I think they're just using him wrong just like DLo he's not a point guard. Passing isn't his forte penetrating and scoring is his bread and butter, problem is Kenny wants him to be a a point guard that distributes. Hopefully he'll figure it out.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#84 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:28 am

I agree, I think Whitehead is like Russell, a 2 guard that works as a secondary facilitator.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#85 » by Yit » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:29 am

Tracking Players Performance vs Hornets 22 Feb 2018

Cunningham - 61 (+++++)
DAR - 32 (+)
Allen - 21 (=)
Harris - 21 (+)
Dinwiddie - 20 (=)
Crabbe - 13 (-)
Acy - 9 (-)
DMC - 7 (--)
Whitehead - 2 (-)
Stauskas - 0 (--)

Cunningham was the surprise but let's hope his performance is sustainable. DAR appears to be back in form although it seems the other starters have yet to sort out how to work with him.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#86 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:00 am

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LKIRNets wrote:Not to rag on Book, but Cunningham is better than him.


his ability to hit threes while hitting the glass hard definitely fits into the offense i lot better.


This being said, Cunningham is playing out of his mind right now and above his career norms in pretty much every category.

Booker was a 12/10 per 36 at 52/31/63 while Cunningham is 10/6 per 36 at 47/33/64. Once Cunningham returns to his career norms, I think one could make a good case that Booker is better.

What I'd say about Cunningham is that he has the confidence to take more 3s, and at this contract level, he's definitely a better value than Booker.

He's playing in a system that enhances his ability on the floor. Forget his career norms. This is going to be a different Cunningham.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#87 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:05 am

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I saw Whitehead all of last year. I was pretty critical of him, probably overly so since he was a rookie, but he was dribbling the ball off his foot and throwing passes into the stands. I was wondering why we weren't playing Dinwiddie more. Whitehead started playing better in the second half, even developing his patented spin move. Haven't followed his progress in the d league at all. I like Senglin a lot and his 3pt potential.

Well the best way I can put it is Whitehead hasn't really developed his PG skills. Senglin is even doing better than him.


I think they're just using him wrong just like DLo he's not a point guard. Passing isn't his forte penetrating and scoring is his bread and butter, problem is Kenny wants him to be a a point guard that distributes. Hopefully he'll figure it out.

I think you're just rewording what I just said.

He hasn't developed the PG skills. Tonight he scored 52 points in the G-League on 29 shots. Was 4 of 8 from 3. And went to the line 12 times. Senglin and Shannon Scott played the 1. James Webb was his primary screener. So that tells you where Whitehead's future is. He even scored in the post. He's a Kemba. A Stephon. DLo has the ability of a 1. His best use is as a 1. Whitehead is a 2.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#88 » by kamaze » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:45 am

No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#89 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:17 am

kamaze wrote:No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.


Actually DLo is a PG. That's his best spot, that's what he was drafted as. He can play both, SG, shot selection will need work. He's 22 now. Not 25.

This is season 1. Again why are you going at him this hard when Dinwiddie was in the same picture last year and 1/2 of yall wanted Yogi. Whitehead shows no PG skill, an occasional OMG pass, can't pass in the PnR, doesn't make the offscreen pass, he can occasionally drive and kick.

DLo can make flare passes, DLo can pass in the PnR, DLo can make the backdoor passes, the post pass, the fastbreak pass, he's starting to drive and kick too. So how is he not a PG?

This isn't a PG?

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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#90 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:32 am

Watch this video and you can clearly see Whitehead is a SG.



Everything you think DLo is, Whitehead shows. The discovery this season is he is a SG.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#91 » by kamaze » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:35 am

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kamaze wrote:No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.


Actually DLo is a PG. That's his best spot, that's what he was drafted as. He can play both, SG, shot selection will need work. He's 22 now. Not 25.

This is season 1. Again why are you going at him this hard when Dinwiddie was in the same picture last year and 1/2 of yall wanted Yogi. Whitehead shows no PG skill, an occasional OMG pass, can't pass in the PnR, doesn't make the offscreen pass, he can occasionally drive and kick.

DLo can make flare passes, DLo can pass in the PnR, DLo can make the backdoor passes, the post pass, the fastbreak pass, he's starting to drive and kick too. So how is he not a PG?

This isn't a PG?



Because Dinwiddie has proved it.

I'm not saying DLO can't play point guard just that he's better suited off guard he is a combo guard. He can play point guard on a bad team or we can push him to be better. He was good before he went down in November but the team has gotten better since then.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#92 » by kamaze » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:40 am

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kamaze wrote:No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.


This isn't a PG?



Great performance. :clap: That got him into the starting lineup keep it up DLO.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#93 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:41 am

kamaze wrote:
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kamaze wrote:No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.


Actually DLo is a PG. That's his best spot, that's what he was drafted as. He can play both, SG, shot selection will need work. He's 22 now. Not 25.

This is season 1. Again why are you going at him this hard when Dinwiddie was in the same picture last year and 1/2 of yall wanted Yogi. Whitehead shows no PG skill, an occasional OMG pass, can't pass in the PnR, doesn't make the offscreen pass, he can occasionally drive and kick.

DLo can make flare passes, DLo can pass in the PnR, DLo can make the backdoor passes, the post pass, the fastbreak pass, he's starting to drive and kick too. So how is he not a PG?

This isn't a PG?



Because Dinwiddie has proved it.

I'm not saying DLO can't play point guard just that he's better suited off guard he is a combo guard. He can play point guard on a bad team or we can push him to be better. He was good before he went down in November but the team has gotten better since then.

correct, he was given a season and a summer to prove it. Last year you guys wanted Yogi Ferrell.

"No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie"

You kind of did. So this is a developmental season. And both are actually playing SG/PG. There's a midseason offense thread that shows this a lot better. You should take a look there for a bit. :)
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#94 » by LKIRNets » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:42 am

kamaze wrote:
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kamaze wrote:No neither one of them is a point guard that's why DLo is playing next to Dinwiddie; who is a point guard.


This isn't a PG?



Great performance. :clap: That got him into the starting lineup keep it up DLO.

You should check the offense thread. At least for some feedback. :)
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Post#95 » by kamaze » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:45 am

LKIRNets wrote:Watch this video and you can clearly see Whitehead is a SG.



Everything you think DLo is, Whitehead shows. The discovery this season is he is a SG.


Thanks for the clip he's fun to watch. I believe he was always a shooting guard growing up just played pg his one year at Seton Hall.
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#96 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:35 pm

Russell's decision making as a PG still leaves a lot to be desired, but for argument's sake we might as well call him a combo guard because he can do a little bit of everything. I prefer that he play SG though, i want him to drop buckets and draw the attention of the defense to open up things for everyone else. Having him focus 100% on facilitating is a waste of his abilities imo
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Re: GT: Nets (19-40) @ Hornets (24-33) - Thursday, 02/22/18, 7:00pm EST 

Post#97 » by bws94 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:22 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Russell's decision making as a PG still leaves a lot to be desired, but for argument's sake we might as well call him a combo guard because he can do a little bit of everything. I prefer that he play SG though, i want him to drop buckets and draw the attention of the defense to open up things for everyone else. Having him focus 100% on facilitating is a waste of his abilities imo


that's exactly what I'd call him. Decision-making, ball-handling, and DLo is scoring-minded IMO, more naturally scoring-minded. I think that's why the Lakers did what they did with him and KA looks like he's headed in the same direction. I think once DLo establishes his shot, it opens up his facilitation and he gets into this smooth, methodical rhythm in both scoring and playmaking.

I only find Spencer to be the PG on the team. He's the most secure ball-handler and he's solid at not turning it over.

Lin is also a combo but he's PG minded, he looks to involve the team and set-up teammates but moves w/o the ball and doesn't demand it as much as many other PGs. Lin's ball-handling isn't so crisp but decision-making is mostly good.

LeVert is a penetrating wing that can run an offense, particularly well with his PnR buddy Allen. Decision-making is ok, definitely shows some inexperience at times.

Whitehead is the cyclone. When he gets it going he can score, and he loves playing D.

What we saw of Senglin looked good in preseason. He could shoot, had a nice handle too. But he really hasn't spent significant time with the team.

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