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Unfortunately, this is not complete performance. I just linked all FGs from that game I could found online. The full game tape almost certainly exist, but it's not available for publics now.

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I've watched as many Mikan clips on the internet as I could find. What's interesting about Mikan and some other players I've seen from that era is that while many of them didn't shoot straight up/facing the basket jump shots, many did shoot turn around jumpers from time to time.
You can see Mikan in a number of clips shooting a one-handed, turn around jump shot. Of course, like most jump shooters in those days, Mikan didn't use his guide hand.
There are also some contradictory stories about Mikan. One was that he was a lumbering oaf who simply was bigger and stronger than anybody else and was allowed to use brute force to dominate.
The second, and truest, is that while he was big and strong, he was also faster and quicker than most of the big men he played against. Even the Globies were shocked to discover how quick Mikan was in the Globetrotter-Lakers games and had to gang up and physically beat him up to win their games.
There were guys as big as Mikan in those days, but nobody had his combination of size, strength, quickness, and agility to go along with his skills and bb IQ.

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Personally from the timeline of articles I gathered through news archives I don’t think they are “conflicting” so much as a classic example of revisionist history.

When Bill Russell came along and then eventually Jabbar the bar of “finesse” had been added to a method with which centers in the NBA could dominate. Writers are the ones responsible for calling Mikan a lumberer during and/or after Russell and they were quite frankly, wrong. Mikan was touted as a versatile athlete in the traditional sense of being good at multiple sports and and quite coordinated compared to many people even approaching his size as you mentioned. His 6-10 270lbs could move around and out-quick and out-finesse (let alone out-muscle) guys who were in his same class of height yet 50 lbs lighter. He didn’t have straightline speed or any noteworthy vertical like Wilt or Russell but then again who in the entire games history does? The fact that those two and then Jabbar right after them are the 3 bigs that followed Mikans footsteps and dominated did people’s perception of Mikan a disservice. As far as 270lbers goes I can watch on film that Mikan was athletic enough to grab a rebound and outlet pass before his feet even touch the ground. Or dribble up the court at running speed and handle the ball with surprising confidence - he’s actually a better ball handler than Wilt and probably as good or almost as good as Russell in the open court by himself - and he’s 270 with classic long-armed big bodied center proportions. He can also block shots with enough grace to obtain possession and not foul the defender even way out in modern 3 point range as the above clip demonstrates.

I’m impressed with how he moves. Like I said I think writers started comparing him to the new mold (Russell) and mislabeled him as unathletic from there. He’s probably more coordinated than Nate Thurmond - and at least as coordinated as Walt Bellamy. Can’t jump like Bells but clearly a better ball handler to me from film so I just think people didn’t give him his due after the dominating finesse centers recalibrated people’s expectations.

[Johnlac1]

Personally from the timeline of articles I gathered through news archives I don’t think they are “conflicting” so much as a classic example of revisionist history.

When Bill Russell came along and then eventually Jabbar the bar of “finesse” had been added to a method with which centers in the NBA could dominate. Writers are the ones responsible for calling Mikan a lumberer during and/or after Russell and they were quite frankly, wrong. Mikan was touted as a versatile athlete in the traditional sense of being good at multiple sports and and quite coordinated compared to many people even approaching his size as you mentioned. His 6-10 270lbs could move around and out-quick and out-finesse (let alone out-muscle) guys who were in his same class of height yet 50 lbs lighter. He didn’t have straightline speed or any noteworthy vertical like Wilt or Russell but then again who in the entire games history does? The fact that those two and then Jabbar right after them are the 3 bigs that followed Mikans footsteps and dominated did people’s perception of Mikan a disservice. As far as 270lbers goes I can watch on film that Mikan was athletic enough to grab a rebound and outlet pass before his feet even touch the ground. Or dribble up the court at running speed and handle the ball with surprising confidence - he’s actually a better ball handler than Wilt and probably as good or almost as good as Russell in the open court by himself - and he’s 270 with classic long-armed big bodied center proportions. He can also block shots with enough grace to obtain possession and not foul the defender even way out in modern 3 point range as the above clip demonstrates.

I’m impressed with how he moves. Like I said I think writers started comparing him to the new mold (Russell) and mislabeled him as unathletic from there. He’s probably more coordinated than Nate Thurmond - and at least as coordinated as Walt Bellamy. Can’t jump like Bells but clearly a better ball handler to me from film so I just think people didn’t give him his due after the dominating finesse centers recalibrated people’s expectations.

What naysayers of old time ball players always ignore is the fact that those old players thrust into a modern ball situation aren't going to keep playing the same way.
They're going to change things when they find out certain habits don't work against modern players.
There were quite a few of those old time players from the early fifties who were playing excellent ball in the early sixties when the league was a lot more athletic and much more modern. In short, they adjusted to the new situation.
Mikan would do the same thing.
What modern/young fans don't realize is that the greatest increase in quality and athleticism occurred from the early fifties into the sixties. By the mid sixties the league was far more athletic and employed far more modern techniques than ten years previous or about the time Mikan retired. That was mostly due to the sharp increase in the numbers of black ballplayers including superstars like Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor, Robertson, and many others.
In the mid fifties jump shooters were very rare and flat footed set shots were still common.
By the mid sixties most set shooters were gone and virtually everybody had a jump shot. Plus, by the mid sixties the league was 50% black and had many great athletes compared to the mid fifties.

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Thanks for the video. The Mikan-Mikkelson-Pollard front line of the early fifties Lakers was like the Bird-Parish-McHale front line of the eighties Celtics.
What is interesting is that while both Mikan and Mikkelson had jump shots (or in Mikan's case a turn around jump sho), probably the greatest leaper in the league, Jim Pollard, didn't have one. He also had the lowest fg pct. of the three great early NBA Lakers stars.
Looking at the stats from the early and mid fifties, the players who had jump shots like Arizin, Yardley, Sharman, Mikkelson also had the best fg pcts. You would think the big men from that period, like today, would have have the best fg pcts, but the smaller jump shooters had the best fg pcts.
Many of the those early jump shooters still took their share of set shots along with running, drifting one handers which certainly contributed to the low fg pcts of that era.
When the light bulb clicked on and players and coaches figured out that jump shots were superior to other shots from distance occurred in the years between the early fifties and the onset of the sixties.
I wonder if there was some big name or names/coaches in basketball who promoted jumo shots that caused the change or if it was just an unconscious, natural adaption by most players that led to the jump shot almost totally eliminating the set shots and running, drifting one handers so prevalent up to the mid fifties.

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Excellent video as always. You should post this on General Board. Good to see Embiid respecting old time legend of the game. When someone like JoJo (probably the most athletic center in the league today) is so excited about someone's athleticism, then yoy know there is something special in him.

How old was Wilt in footage of him dunking the ball in green shirt? I've never seen that one.

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Excellent video as always. You should post this on General Board. Good to see Embiid respecting old time legend of the game. When someone like JoJo (probably the most athletic center in the league today) is so excited about someone's athleticism, then yoy know there is something special in him.

How old was Wilt in footage of him dunking the ball in green shirt? I've never seen that one.

He's in his early 40's there, I'll let others share it the General Board if they so choose, the mods can get pretty put off if I share my own videos there where as player comparisons has a proper thread thread for it - glad you enjoyed it

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Excellent video as always. You should post this on General Board. Good to see Embiid respecting old time legend of the game. When someone like JoJo (probably the most athletic center in the league today) is so excited about someone's athleticism, then yoy know there is something special in him.

How old was Wilt in footage of him dunking the ball in green shirt? I've never seen that one.

He's in his early 40's there, I'll let others share it the General Board if they so choose, the mods can get pretty put off if I share my own videos there where as player comparisons has a proper thread thread for it - glad you enjoyed it

Then I'll share it on GB.

BTW, I just realized that Wilt rolled off the back of a horse in Conan clip. That's very impressive given how huge and old he was at that time. I doubt that he had stunt man for that, it's unlikely to find someone as big as him to do that.

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BTW, I just realized that Wilt rolled off the back of a horse in Conan clip. That's very impressive given how huge and old he was at that time. I doubt that he had stunt man for that, it's unlikely to find someone as big as him to do that.

I feel that shot is crazy too! He did not have a stunt man, when I look at it frame by frame that's clearly Wilt on there - he's also approaching 50 years old at that time!

I can't imagine rolling off the back of a horse at any age or size.

[70sFan]

I feel that shot is crazy too! He did not have a stunt man, when I look at it frame by frame that's clearly Wilt on there - he's also approaching 50 years old at that time!

I can't imagine rolling off the back of a horse at any age or size.

Wilt's coordination is what makes him so special. He's basically 6 feet track and field athlete in extremely long, 7 feet tall body. He could do things many "normal" people can't and he's so huge at the same time.

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Bob could still move fairly well even at an advanced age with the Lakers.

[CavaliersFTW]

^ ---- McAdoo!!! More of that please, he was kind of like a Durant in the 70's, long and tall like a center but lean and quick and could shoot and handle better than traditional centers.

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[Johnlac1]

^ ---- McAdoo!!! More of that please, he was kind of like a Durant in the 70's, long and tall like a center but lean and quick and could shoot and handle better than traditional centers.

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McAdoo was sort of a revolutionary kind of player. Nobody had seen a big man before with that combination of range and athleticism. If they'd had the three ball at that time, McAdoo had the range to make them. He could hit the corner shot with ease.
When the three ball did arrive, McAdoo only took a grand total of 24 for the rest of his career. Today, he'd be taking five or six a game.

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^ ---- McAdoo!!! More of that please, he was kind of like a Durant in the 70's, long and tall like a center but lean and quick and could shoot and handle better than traditional centers.

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I'm working on huge McAdoo and Erving projects. And if you don't mind me asking, what do you use to restore old footage to 60fps? All of my clips are in 29.97 fps, and they would look a lot better in 60fps.

[70sFan]

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I'm working on huge Moses Malone video (probably over 1 hour long). Those who watched my Artis Gilmore video know what I am talking about. It's still a lot of work before finish, so I'd like to show you small samples of prime Moses in action. I hope you'll enjoy it

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For attempting the added frames effect, use premiere pro and play around with interpolation techniques - I have an older version so I unfortunately need to combine After Effects and Premiere but newest Premieres should have it built in

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Post game was invented way before NBA became a thing. Some people think it's now dead art, but I respectfully disagree. We can see new young players playing in the post a lot and dominatng inside. I'll never disappear from pro basketball.

In this series, I want to show you some of the greatest masters of post game with their signature moves. This particulaer video is only about the center position. I'll do similar video for forwards and guards. Thanks for all people who've been sharing NBA footage for years.

I couldn't include all elite centers, sorry for all omissions. If you find many notable ones, I'll do the second part. Enjoy!