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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1941 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:49 am

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/brian-mast-assault-weapons-ban.html?referer=https:///

This is an interesting opinion piece about gun control. I posted this because this guy is a Republican, an Army vet, member of the NRA so he isn't ignorant about guns. Hes also taken money from the NRA as well. He also proposes solutions, some of them which Democrats have also proposed. So why is it that Republicans who control all levels of government can't pass any type of gun protection laws?

The Second Amendment is unimpeachable. It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms.


Therefore, I support the following:

Defining what constitutes an assault or tactical firearm and not allowing them for future purchase — just as we already prohibit the purchase of fully automatic firearms. The exact definition of assault weapon will need to be determined. But we should all be able to agree that the civilian version of the very deadly weapon that the Army issued to me should certainly qualify. I would not support any version of a ban that results in confiscating existing legally owned firearms.

Ensuring that every firearm purchaser has a background check. We also need to improve the background check system.

Banning the sale of accessories and add-ons that circumvent the ban on automatic firearms, and increasing the ages at which individuals can purchase various categories of firearms.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1942 » by cammac » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:04 pm

The biggest threat the Democrats have about taking over numerous State governments,Governors, the House and possibly the Senate. Is that they fight among themselves on how progressive they want to be. America is somewhat of a anomaly in Western Democracies in that they have lagged far behind in social reform. Issues that most Democracies have come to grips with such as universal healthcare, gun control, abortion, parental leave and gender issues are still topics of debate.

These issues do divide people who have similar purposes but a different view on how to proceed. The gun issue is one of those points where I saw 2 people who both want gun reform bitterly object to each other. The reality it must be done in baby steps simply because of how the 2nd. Amendment has been interpreted by Scotus. If restrictions on certain types of weapons, accessories and in universal background checks with safety training can be achieved it would be a coop. If someone has a different solution that doesn't coincide with your views so be it but there is a path to reform and it will incremental.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1943 » by FAH1223 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:42 pm

dckingsfan wrote::lol: Hahahaha :lol: because we are spending the money on stupid stuff!! Both are parties are complicit in this fraud. Just look at the carveouts that came from both the Ds and Rs on healthcare alone. If we didn't have the Rs we would be halfway there - then lose the Ds and we could get all the way there.

In the meantime Germany uses less than 2% of GDP on defense - why? Because we do it for them...

And it isn't total GDP - it is GDP/population. So misleading - such fake news :(

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1944 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:56 pm

It's totally unfair...but it's really funny.

Plus, it's stupid for him to make ridiculous hypothetical statements like that.


Trump said he would charge a gunman. Here’s what he’s actually done in the face of danger

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In 2015, Trump was beat out by Angela Merkel for Time magazine’s Person of the Year. But as a runner-up, he was still given a write-up and photo shoot for the magazine.

Time paired him with a 27-year-old bald eagle named Uncle Sam during the shoot. Uncle Sam lunged at Trump as he went to grab something near its feat.

Trump quickly shrunk away from the bird, recoiling so far that he nearly fell out of the camera frame.
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Post#1945 » by TGW » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:00 pm

Or this one when some goofball rushed the stage:

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1946 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:23 pm

Pointgod wrote:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/brian-mast-assault-weapons-ban.html?referer=https:///

This is an interesting opinion piece about gun control. I posted this because this guy is a Republican, an Army vet, member of the NRA so he isn't ignorant about guns. Hes also taken money from the NRA as well. He also proposes solutions, some of them which Democrats have also proposed. So why is it that Republicans who control all levels of government can't pass any type of gun protection laws?

The Second Amendment is unimpeachable. It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms.


Therefore, I support the following:

Defining what constitutes an assault or tactical firearm and not allowing them for future purchase — just as we already prohibit the purchase of fully automatic firearms. The exact definition of assault weapon will need to be determined. But we should all be able to agree that the civilian version of the very deadly weapon that the Army issued to me should certainly qualify. I would not support any version of a ban that results in confiscating existing legally owned firearms.

Ensuring that every firearm purchaser has a background check. We also need to improve the background check system.

Banning the sale of accessories and add-ons that circumvent the ban on automatic firearms, and increasing the ages at which individuals can purchase various categories of firearms.


Same reason Democrats couldn't pass legislation...

And although he has what seems like a reasonable proposal - we know it isn't going to be very effective from what we can see with the Brady bill.

Why pass more ineffective legislation?
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Post#1947 » by FAH1223 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:21 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1949 » by Wizardspride » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:16 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1950 » by TGW » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:31 pm

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You mean he wants authority to stop and arrest twitter and facebook trolls? How do I get that job?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1951 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:42 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/brian-mast-assault-weapons-ban.html?referer=https:///

This is an interesting opinion piece about gun control. I posted this because this guy is a Republican, an Army vet, member of the NRA so he isn't ignorant about guns. Hes also taken money from the NRA as well. He also proposes solutions, some of them which Democrats have also proposed. So why is it that Republicans who control all levels of government can't pass any type of gun protection laws?

The Second Amendment is unimpeachable. It guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. I accept, however, that it does not guarantee that every civilian can bear any and all arms.


Therefore, I support the following:

Defining what constitutes an assault or tactical firearm and not allowing them for future purchase — just as we already prohibit the purchase of fully automatic firearms. The exact definition of assault weapon will need to be determined. But we should all be able to agree that the civilian version of the very deadly weapon that the Army issued to me should certainly qualify. I would not support any version of a ban that results in confiscating existing legally owned firearms.

Ensuring that every firearm purchaser has a background check. We also need to improve the background check system.

Banning the sale of accessories and add-ons that circumvent the ban on automatic firearms, and increasing the ages at which individuals can purchase various categories of firearms.


Same reason Democrats couldn't pass legislation...

And although he has what seems like a reasonable proposal - we know it isn't going to be very effective from what we can see with the Brady bill.

Why pass more ineffective legislation?


Doing nothing is not a better option than implementing effective but imperfect solutions.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1952 » by Wizardspride » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm

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You mean he wants authority to stop and arrest twitter and facebook trolls? How do I get that job?

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1953 » by TGW » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:03 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
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You mean he wants authority to stop and arrest twitter and facebook trolls? How do I get that job?

Read on Twitter
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Uh huh. So he wants authority to do what we already do...which is hack other government systems.

More proof that this is a complete dog and pony show.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1954 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:13 pm

Doesn't the Constitution expressly forbid government officials from using the power of their office to censor the expression of political speech?

http://time.com/5176731/casey-cagle-delta-tax-cut-nra/

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1955 » by Wizardspride » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:19 pm

TGW wrote:
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You mean he wants authority to stop and arrest twitter and facebook trolls? How do I get that job?

Read on Twitter
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Uh huh. So he wants authority to do what we already do...which is hack other government systems.

More proof that this is a complete dog and pony show.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1956 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:30 pm

Pointgod wrote:
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Pointgod wrote:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/brian-mast-assault-weapons-ban.html?referer=https:///

This is an interesting opinion piece about gun control. I posted this because this guy is a Republican, an Army vet, member of the NRA so he isn't ignorant about guns. Hes also taken money from the NRA as well. He also proposes solutions, some of them which Democrats have also proposed. So why is it that Republicans who control all levels of government can't pass any type of gun protection laws?

Same reason Democrats couldn't pass legislation...

And although he has what seems like a reasonable proposal - we know it isn't going to be very effective from what we can see with the Brady bill.

Why pass more ineffective legislation?

Doing nothing is not a better option than implementing effective but imperfect solutions.

Yes, doing nothing is better than implementing an ineffective solution. For the same reason that you should shut down ineffective programs. More legislation for legislations sake isn't helpful.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1957 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:37 pm

TGW wrote:Uh huh. So he wants authority to do what we already do...which is hack other government systems.

More proof that this is a complete dog and pony show.



This is...different.

We do actively attempt to hack other government's databases and systems.

But the authority he's awaiting for is a cyber attack. To disable utilities and other major infrastructure.

And doing so would open the floodgates for a cyber war we are not prepared to defend against.

NOTE: This is why we need to spend less on aircraft carriers & tanks and more on other types of defense more in line with the global threats of the 21st century.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1958 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:42 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:Same reason Democrats couldn't pass legislation...

And although he has what seems like a reasonable proposal - we know it isn't going to be very effective from what we can see with the Brady bill.

Why pass more ineffective legislation?

Doing nothing is not a better option than implementing effective but imperfect solutions.

Yes, doing nothing is better than implementing an ineffective solution. For the same reason that you should shut down ineffective programs. More legislation for legislations sake isn't helpful.


That's entirely your opinion. There's numerous examples from multiples countries and even at the State level that show how gun safety solutions can be implemented.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1959 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:47 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Doesn't the Constitution expressly forbid government officials from using the power of their office to censor the expression of political speech?

http://time.com/5176731/casey-cagle-delta-tax-cut-nra/

Whom do we sue?

Nah, the answer is to arm the stewardesses - but only if they're at least 21. Better buckle up that seatbelt sir.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1960 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Doing nothing is not a better option than implementing effective but imperfect solutions.

Yes, doing nothing is better than implementing an ineffective solution. For the same reason that you should shut down ineffective programs. More legislation for legislations sake isn't helpful.

That's entirely your opinion. There's numerous examples from multiples countries and even at the State level that show how gun safety solutions can be implemented.

No, actually it isn't my opinion. It is the analysis of what happened after implementing the Brady bill. This is just more of the same.

You can omit other countries - they don't have 2A. So they are not as constrained.

Insurance would be a MUCH better option and much easier to get through. And we wouldn't be bring a knife to a gunfight. We would have the commerce clause.

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