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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#581 » by RememberLu » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:57 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Mikal Bridges has sneaky upside. I would not be mad with him. He's a very good player.

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I'd be real happy with either him or Bamba. The tanking year will feel like it paid off if we get one of those guys imo. I'm not that enamored with guys like Knox or Sexton.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#582 » by Axolotl » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:30 pm

Right now I see us picking 6th or 7th, and Ithink we could end up with Porter (if he slides due to injury), Carter, Bamba or Young.

Out of those, I'd take Porter. The bomber squad of LaVine, Porter, Markkanen is intriguing.

Least favorite is Young, mainly based on lack of defence. His passing abilities look to be remarkable, and he is a good shooter.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#583 » by TankForAyton » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:22 pm

Axolotl wrote:Right now I see us picking 6th or 7th, and Ithink we could end up with Porter (if he slides due to injury), Carter, Bamba or Young.

Out of those, I'd take Porter. The bomber squad of LaVine, Porter, Markkanen is intriguing.

Least favorite is Young, mainly based on lack of defence. His passing abilities look to be remarkable, and he is a good shooter.


I think Porter/LaVine/Markkanen would be fun also.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#584 » by pipfan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:47 pm

we have to get to 6th. I think BRK passes us for sure. If we get 6th we get one of the top guys (and don't have to worry about Young)
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#585 » by RememberLu » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:59 pm

Axolotl wrote:Right now I see us picking 6th or 7th, and Ithink we could end up with Porter (if he slides due to injury), Carter, Bamba or Young.

Out of those, I'd take Porter. The bomber squad of LaVine, Porter, Markkanen is intriguing.

Least favorite is Young, mainly based on lack of defence. His passing abilities look to be remarkable, and he is a good shooter.


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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#586 » by Axolotl » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:09 pm

pipfan wrote:we have to get to 6th. I think BRK passes us for sure. If we get 6th we get one of the top guys (and don't have to worry about Young)


I think the draft depth is 7 + Young, who I have doubts with.

Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, 3J, Porter, Carter, Bamba. If Young goes before our pick, which wouldn't surprise me really, since he has great offensive potential, we get one of those seven even if we pick 8th. But to be on the safe side, I'd prefer at least 7th.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#587 » by kodo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:14 pm

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wonderboy2 wrote:I agree that he is young just like Ayton, Bagley,JJJ, Bamba. Like I said give me anyone of these guys and I would be thrilled. But it will only get harder for Doncic in the NBA. The thing Doncic has going for him is that he seems to legitimately love playing basketball and those guys do seem to improve. But in order for him to be great those attack handles need to improve to overcompensate for his lack of burst and first step.


His first step and burst are fine it’ll take him a little bit to get acclimated to the speed of the game and to get his body in peak NBA form but it’ll happen

Your earlier example about the switch leading to a bad shot is what won’t happen that’s not him.

His first step and burst is average at best. And I’ve seen Doncic have to settle for step back j’s due to his inability to get separation.


Yes he takes a bunch of those.

That's why he's below average in isolation scoring points per possession, 39th percentile among international prospects.

But still, that's the bread & butter of Harden's isolation game which drives the best offense in NBA history. If Doncic can master the stepback at a zen level like Harden, it's an NBA level weapon.

The ability to get blow-by's is really overrated IMO. Derrick Rose isn't winning ball. And also why Washington is better scoring through Beal than John Wall. The best isolation players have a healthy amount of stepback and pull up jumpers to their game.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#588 » by xpmar9x » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:28 pm

RememberLu wrote:
Axolotl wrote:Right now I see us picking 6th or 7th, and Ithink we could end up with Porter (if he slides due to injury), Carter, Bamba or Young.

Out of those, I'd take Porter. The bomber squad of LaVine, Porter, Markkanen is intriguing.

Least favorite is Young, mainly based on lack of defence. His passing abilities look to be remarkable, and he is a good shooter.


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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#589 » by Jahensle » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:39 pm

Porter would be huge but it's very unlikely he falls to 7. If he does, you have to pull that trigger.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#590 » by ImSlower » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:04 pm

That's cool that he wants to play here. He sure has star potential. I am eager to see him on a court again, post-injury, to see more from him.

My compass turns one way or another every day, but for now I would currently be really, really happy with Ayton, Doncic, Porter or JJJ. I think Bagley might be a better college player than pro, same with Young and Bamba. All it takes is a few really good looking plays and a few weak ones, and any of those 3 could be back among my favorites. If we get 8th, well, one of the Bridges, Carter, eh. I'll probably still be salty as hell if we draft 8th after the last 3 ugly was seasons.

It's a shame I like Anthony Davis so much. I am pissed off at how great he looks post-Cousins. The West playoff picture is wild from 3rd to 10th.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#591 » by Axolotl » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:08 pm

Jahensle wrote:Porter would be huge but it's very unlikely he falls to 7. If he does, you have to pull that trigger.


Absolutely, on all three statements. I expect him to go in top 5, maybe top 3.

It all depends on how much weight is put on his injury. Back problems can severely hamper a professional athlete's career. The (possible) missed season doesn't mean much.

If he does slide, 6th is possible, and he will be drafted there at the latest. As you said, 7th is highly unlikely.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#592 » by 3noD » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:16 pm

Dresden wrote:I think with Young, a lot will depend on how he does in workouts. How well he shoots the ball, how athletic he grades out, etc. I would still put him at the very end of the top tier (or top two tiers, depending on how you break it down), although that is dependent too on how guys like Bamba and JJJ and Porter do in workouts as well.

I would think Young would not go higher than 4th, in my estimation, after Ayton, Bagley and Doncic. But he could pass Bomba, Porter and JJ, depending on workouts and what the FO thinks about his future development, his personality, his athleticism, his ability to guard, etc.

His passing is not going to go away in the nba. That's the thing I'd worry about the least. Or his ball handling. But his shooting, his ability to finish, and his ability to defend are all open to question.

Young could be the best offensive player in this group. Once he has a real team around him and the special attention he’s receiving goes away, he may do damage. I wouldn’t rule him out. I still like Doncic and MPJ better, and would have a hard time passing on Ayton and Bagley if they are available, but I want Garpax to take a hard look at Young.


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Post#593 » by Red Larrivee » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:24 pm

Jahensle wrote:Porter would be huge but it's very unlikely he falls to 7. If he does, you have to pull that trigger.


It's very possible if he doesn't play and teams aren't comfortable with the back injury. There's actually an ESPN article about it with quotes from GM's.

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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#594 » by Davell » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:28 pm

If Porter falls to 6,7, or beyond.....Its because his back is a bigger question than what we may feel comfortable with too. If he's healthy, he's top 3.

He's hard to take for me, unless his medicals look great. And if they do, the only way we're getting him is if we move into the top 3. And I couldn't pull the trigger on him in that range.

If they don't and we've got him on the board at 7 or 8? Worth the risk to me. But, I can't pass up any of Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, or Bamba for him, even if his medicals look good now. Just too risky, considering what else is available.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#595 » by Axolotl » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:34 pm

3noD wrote:Young could be the best offensive player in this group. Once he has a real team around him and the special attention he’s receiving goes away, he may do damage. I wouldn’t rule him out. I still like Doncic and MPJ better, and would have a hard time passing on Ayton and Bagley if they are available, but I want Garpax to take a hard look at Young.


Young's offensive abilities are indeed special, I especially like his passing vision.

But the lack of defence is worrysome. We will most likely have LaVine, who is not much of a defender and Markkanen, who is adequate but nothing special. This line-up would rely on outscoring the opponent, and if the shots are not falling, we lose.

Or, for a balanced line-up, we would need to find a good defender/rim protector C who can pass from the inside, and a 2-way SF.

Or, we keep Dunn as 1st unit PG, and send Young with Portis to devastate the opponents 2nd unit...
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#596 » by NADROJ » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:44 pm

Just something to keep in mind as we talk about who might be available around pick 5, 6, or 7: If a team that's behind the Bulls in the lottery jumps into the Top 3, the Bulls end up picking a spot behind their actual finish.

That's why slotting into that 5th or 6th spot is so important; it not only gives the Bulls a greater shot at the Top 3, it gives them a little protection from falling out of the Top 6 or 7 altogether.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#597 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:48 pm

Porter could always refuse to work out for any team but Chicago. Not sure why he would do that, he could.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#598 » by WindyCityBorn » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:52 pm

Davell wrote:If Porter falls to 6,7, or beyond.....Its because his back is a bigger question than what we may feel comfortable with too. If he's healthy, he's top 3.

He's hard to take for me, unless his medicals look great. And if they do, the only way we're getting him is if we move into the top 3. And I couldn't pull the trigger on him in that range.

If they don't and we've got him on the board at 7 or 8? Worth the risk to me. But, I can't pass up any of Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, JJJ, or Bamba for him, even if his medicals look good now. Just too risky, considering what else is available.


I would easily pass on Bamba for Porter. Possibly Bagley as well.
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#599 » by Hangtime84 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:05 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:Porter could always refuse to work out for any team but Chicago. Not sure why he would do that, he could.


If we are in position i think he would
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Re: 2018 Draft Thread #6 

Post#600 » by keloms » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:16 pm

New scenario thrown out by ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22590320/nba-draft-history-2018-lottery-teams-general-managers-front-offices


....While Foreman has had success with late picks, this could end up being Foreman's highest pick since being named GM. The Bulls could go best available or search for a prospect big man to pair next to Markkanen. If the Bulls miss out on Bamba or Jackson, it could make sense to move down into the Williams or Gafford range, especially considering that Foreman is no stranger to draft-day trades.


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