'17-'18 POY discussion

ardee · Post #321 » by **ardee** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:18 am

New Orleans could conceivably end up as the 3rd seed, they're level on losses right now.

Mvp sleeper?

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dhsilv2 · Post #322 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:41 am

ardee wrote:New Orleans could conceivably end up as the 3rd seed, they're level on losses right now.

Mvp sleeper?

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If Davis keeps it up and they finish over 50 wins...I still can't see it with harden having his year and people I think perhaps feeling he's been jipped, but yeah that's a legit sleeper.

Post #323 » by **Outside** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:27 am

For RS MVP, I don't see how he can overtake Harden unless Harden misses games or falters badly. The Rockets are playing great, and Harden's case is overwhelming:

Made 3PT - 1st
Made FT - 1st
Points per game - 1st
Assists per game - 3rd
Steals per game - 9th
PER - 1st
True shooting percentage - 11th
Assist percentage - 2nd
Usage - 1st
Win shares - 1st
Win shares/48 - 1st
Box plus/minus - 1st
VORP - 1st
RPM - 2nd (behind Chris Paul)
RPM wins - 1st

POY will be determined by what happens in the PS, but MVP is Harden's barring something extraordinary.

Post #324 » by **Doctor MJ** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:59 pm

ardee wrote:New Orleans could conceivably end up as the 3rd seed, they're level on losses right now.

Mvp sleeper?

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Really enjoying seeing what Davis is doing right now. There's really no doubt that he's an MVP-caliber player.

But at this point, I'd say the MVP award is Harden's unless something goes wrong in Houston.

Boarder Patrol · Post #325 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:15 pm

This is the first year I've been going on the PC board a lot. What's the difference between POY here and MVP?

Post #326 » by **bondom34** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:19 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:This is the first year I've been going on the PC board a lot. What's the difference between POY here and MVP?

POY includes postseason and also involves less in terms of a narrative being involved. Its purely what player added most value through the entire season and playoffs.

Boarder Patrol · Post #327 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Fri Mar 2, 2018 6:31 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Boarder Patrol wrote:This is the first year I've been going on the PC board a lot. What's the difference between POY here and MVP?

POY includes postseason and also involves less in terms of a narrative being involved. Its purely what player added most value through the entire season and playoffs.

Makes sense. I'd still give it to Harden but maybe Curry if he has a dominant postseason.

RSCD3_ · Post #328 » by **RSCD3_** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:22 pm

How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

ronnymac2 · Post #329 » by **ronnymac2** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:34 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

For supporting his coach and teammates?

Missing Rings · Post #330 » by **Missing Rings** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 7:06 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

So this player stands up for his teammate and coach and now he is a "sourpuss"?

I also think last year's "rumors" are overblown given how cancerous Dwyane Wade was in the locker room for Cleveland this year. I hope that shines light on the situation which happened in Chicago last season.

eminence · Post #331 » by **eminence** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:50 pm

Hmm, I don't think Jimmy is the greatest leader in the history of basketball or anything, but he seems solid. Not too surprisingly it looks easier when things are going well, the T-Wolves had a bit of a rough time last night and that seems likely to continue so I imagine it'll take a bit of the shine off their turnaround.

Starboy · Post #332 » by **Starboy** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 10:16 pm

ronnymac2 wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

For supporting his coach and teammates?

I'd rather him not be a douchebag while doing that. There is a way to support his coach and teammates without **** on other players (especially Rubio, who was/is a fan favorite). Especially since Teague was in the wrong.

Post #333 » by **Moonbeam** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 10:29 pm

Hoping Lillard can continue his hot stretch and make a run for some top 5 votes, but given the talent in the league, it's hard to see it happening despite a 31.4 PPG, 62.5 TS February.

Post #334 » by **Moonbeam** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 10:38 pm

How are you guys feeling about Giannis? He seemed to be in the MVP conversation for the early part of the season but has dropped off a bit. His stats are coming back to Earth and Milwaukee has been stuck in the lower echelon of Eastern playoff teams after the initial post-Kidd surge. I like him a lot, but I wonder if he's still a year or two away from serious MVP contention.

Post #335 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 8:32 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

Well first and foremost: Butler's out now, right? So the point is moot for this particular POY probably.

What I would emphasize more generally is that a player's personality can be a big positive on a given team in one season and a big negative in some other context. From a POY context, I focus on what happened in that season.

Post #336 » by **bondom34** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 11:44 pm

Agree with those saying it's nothing, he's standing up for a teammate.

What I will say is that I do think if this had been a few other players it would be interpreted differently by some, and viewed in a negative light. It shouldn't be.

RSCD3_ · Post #337 » by **RSCD3_** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:22 am

Missing Rings"
[quote="ronnymac2 wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:How much do you guys weigh attitudes in here, jimmy butler is an interesting case because he's a great player but was responsible for dividing the locker room and called out the coach publicly in his first year. Now he tweets out he's breaking his years long silence on twitter to support Teague hip checking Rubio into the stands and calling him out for getting up fast. Is this indicative he's a sourpuss kind of guy and that may affect his ceiling as a leader.

For supporting his coach and teammates?

He's had a grudge againzt rubio since apparently rubio got fouled by mirotic and he thought he flopped and cussed at him about it. I have no issues with him supporting his teammate, or if someone asked him and he said it wasnt on purpose or whatever. But to announce he was breaking some long silence to applaud a guy for hip checking someone into the stands in kind of messed up. Ahhh well I guess how the locker room is affected wont be something easily seen in real time but more retrospectively so I guess it is someone moot until anything actually happens hear, despite what happened in chicago

AussieBuck · Post #338 » by **AussieBuck** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 11:04 am

Moonbeam wrote:How are you guys feeling about Giannis? He seemed to be in the MVP conversation for the early part of the season but has dropped off a bit. His stats are coming back to Earth and Milwaukee has been stuck in the lower echelon of Eastern playoff teams after the initial post-Kidd surge. I like him a lot, but I wonder if he's still a year or two away from serious MVP contention.

Playing with a knee issue that's been off and on for a couple of years. Proper coaching and system and few less minutes next season and a PF or C better than Tyler Zeller would also help ease the load. Or maybe he's just a dude who will need to play closer to Manu minutes and will never get an MVP. :dontknow:

Missing Rings · Post #339 » by **Missing Rings** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:27 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:How are you guys feeling about Giannis? He seemed to be in the MVP conversation for the early part of the season but has dropped off a bit. His stats are coming back to Earth and Milwaukee has been stuck in the lower echelon of Eastern playoff teams after the initial post-Kidd surge. I like him a lot, but I wonder if he's still a year or two away from serious MVP contention.

Playing with a knee issue that's been off and on for a couple of years. Proper coaching and system and few less minutes next season and a PF or C better than Tyler Zeller would also help ease the load. Or maybe he's just a dude who will need to play closer to Manu minutes and will never get an MVP.

I have never been in the "Giannis is an MVP candidate" side of things. Giannis is a great player but still has enough holes in his game where he shouldn't be considered for a top 5 player in this league. At the same time he shows flashes and spurts of brilliance with and without the basketball. He is reaching the point in his career where he needs proven talent around him or he very well could leave Milwaukee in the next couple of seasons.

Milwaukee has done a poor job of surrounding Giannis with players that both fit his skill-set and also have experience. Middleton, Bledsoe, Snell, Henson, Brogdon, and Maker are the leading minutes guys for Milwaukee, and all of them are players I would consider inexperienced. It would be nice to see Milwaukee pursue 1) A proven coach and 2) A veteran who can come in and contribute right away. Perhaps they need to make a trade if the salary cap isn't their friend, but something needs to be done this off-season.

ardee · Post #340 » by **ardee** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 5:29 am

Any new top 5s given the last few weeks?