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thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:None of those guys were worthy of a top 3 pick, though.
I think you are right about Hayward. But would you take John Wall or Bradley Beal over Manu? Those are top 3 picks.
Jamaaliver wrote:thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:None of those guys were worthy of a top 3 pick, though.
I think you are right about Hayward. But would you take John Wall or Bradley Beal over Manu? Those are top 3 picks.
In a heartbeat.
Brad Beal playing under Popovich would be amazing.
Geaux_Hawks wrote:A sleeper we should consider trading up for is the other Bridges. Miles to be exact. He was smart for going back to Sparty to put in more work. It's really helped him.
Jamaaliver wrote:
Ummm....not exactly.
I believe Ayton will produce at an incredibly high level and is worthy of #1. But I'm not sure he can lead a team to true contention alone.
If I could walk out of this draft with 2 selections in the top 12
or 3 selections in the top 15....I go for it.
IMHO: Wendall + M Porter Jr > D Ayton
I'd gladly let PHX overpay for Ayton.
Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:A sleeper we should consider trading up for is the other Bridges. Miles to be exact. He was smart for going back to Sparty to put in more work. It's really helped him.
I do like him as well.
Any thoughts on his best position?
Is he better off as a small ball PF in your opinion? Or can/should he be a SF as a pro?
He's one of the best two-way players in this draft and, in the right situation, could be a Swiss army knife caliber of weapon -- able to a number of things all over the court.
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:thr3ep01nte4 wrote:
I think you are right about Hayward. But would you take John Wall or Bradley Beal over Manu? Those are top 3 picks.
In a heartbeat.
Brad Beal playing under Popovich would be amazing.
), I gotta agree with @jamallll on this one. Wall/Beal are better players than Manu (at the age he entered the league). Doubtful Manu would be able to succeed, to the extent that he has, as the #1 or 2 option.
macd-gm wrote:
The rest of OK just sucks. Bad game for Trae but they really need to make the tourny so we can see Trae on the big stage.
Jamaaliver wrote:macd-gm wrote:
The rest of OK just sucks. Bad game for Trae but they really need to make the tourny so we can see Trae on the big stage.
I WANT TO SEE THAT KID MAKE THE TOURNEY MORE THAN ANY other freshman in years!!!
He hasn't dropped in my eyes. And all this losing/struggling makes him better suited for leading a team in the pros IMHO.
But it's got to be demoralizing to struggle like this late after all the success he and the team experienced early.
Their tournament prospects are dwindling. The NIT would gladly take his team, though!!!
kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
Re-shape the roster?? How shaped is it now?
Geaux_Hawks wrote:kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
You have to give him some leeway in playing with almost nothing. Davidson at least had chemistry in their favor, and experience from other guys around Curry. Young doesn't really have any of that. He literally has to pound the rock into the floor and carry.
I'm not in favor of him either, and would much rather let someone else deal with him, but I think the guy has a shot to flourish similar to curry and with a tournament app to showcase himself, it would go a long way in making him a top 5-10 prospect with hope of getting a quality player.
kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
Re-shape the roster?? How shaped is it now?
To elaborate, I don't want a system player as our top 3 pick. I want a guy who can succeed regardless of system.
Better?
kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:
Re-shape the roster?? How shaped is it now?
To elaborate, I don't want a system player as our top 3 pick. I want a guy who can succeed regardless of system.
Better?
If you don’t want a system player, is it fair to say that you wouldn’t want a system coach as well? If so, I have some bad news about Bud...
Jamal in 3.....2..
macd-gm wrote:kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
I disagree. First off Curry never played off the ball in college and Curry in college was playing Furman and Wofford all season long. Curry averaged 3.7 assists for his college career and shot the ball 20 times a game. Young is averaging 10 assists in his freshmen year. But when comparing Young to Curry you just can't overstate that Curry was playing against extremely weak competition in college. College of Charleston, Citadel, Wofford, Georgia Southern, Furman, Western Carolina, Elon. That was the conference he was in for 3 years.
