2018 Draft Thread #6

Lexluthor · Post #641 » by **Lexluthor** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:58 am

I would not mind trading Kriss Dunn if the Bulls got Trae Young. I don't see Star potential with Dunn

Axolotl · Post #642 » by **Axolotl** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:10 am

If we end up picking #8, I'd be happy getting Young. We'd then have two PGs that are pretty much polar opposites of each other.

I'm intrigued by Young's offence, but on defence he is like James Harden having a bad day. A flower pot would do as good a job there.

Having Young would surely lead to interesting games: great fun on a good day, comically inept on a bad day.

Young has a star ceiling IMO, but since his game exceptionally one way only, risk of him busting is high. High risk - high reward, and the lower we pick, the more emphasis on the reward.

WindyCityBorn · Post #643 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:12 am

thedarkstark wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
thedarkstark wrote:
So what's your point? That on average he plays better against weaker competition? That's true of absolutely everyone and not just basketball but life in general. Show me a person who has better numbers against stronger opponents and I'll show you a statistical anomaly.

All teams play roughly the same number of conference/non-conference games and yet here he is still leading the nation in points and assists.

College pts and asts averages are generally not accurate indicators of professional performance. That's nice he leads in those categories, but means nothing in regards to his pro potential.

Also guys like Ayton, Bamba and JJJ are actually starting to play better now no a step up in competition does not automatically mean your production will fall.

Dude come with actual facts and not just made up opinions. I don't even like Trae Young that much (he's like 6th or 7th on my prospects list) but you clearly have an agenda you're trying to push. He's a flawed player and he's going through a bad stretch, so what? It's not like any of these other players are can't-miss, they're all flawed in some way. He still has arguably one of the highest ceilings of any player available.

Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Axolotl · Post #644 » by **Axolotl** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:13 am

Lexluthor wrote:I would not mind trading Kriss Dunn if the Bulls got Trae Young. I don't see Star potential with Dunn

I'd keep Dunn, for the next season at least. To see how he develops, and also to see how Young does against NBA opponents.

WindyCityBorn · Post #645 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:14 am

Axolotl wrote:If we end up picking #8, I'd be happy getting Young. We'd then have two PGs that are pretty much polar opposites of each other.

I'm intrigued by Young's offence, but on defence he is like James Harden having a bad day. A flower pot would do as good a job there.

Having Young would surely lead to interesting games: great fun on a good day, comically inept on a bad day.

Young has a star ceiling IMO, but since his game exceptionally one way only, risk of him busting is high. High risk - high reward, and the lower we pick, the more emphasis on the reward.

If we pick 8th I hope someone else picks him first.

Leslie Forman · Post #646 » by **Leslie Forman** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:23 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Yep, that's how you end up picking Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry.

Axolotl · Post #647 » by **Axolotl** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:26 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:[If we pick 8th I hope someone else picks him first.

I do think he will be higher than 8th. His offensive toolset is just too intriguing, so someone will take him as "the next Steph Curry".

Personally, I'm not that high on Young, or zero defence players in general - unless that player is an exceptional offensive talent. Young may become such a player, but until I know more, there are 7 players in this draft that I'd rather have.

WindyCityBorn · Post #648 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:26 am

tong po wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Yep, that's how you end up picking Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry.

LMAO that you think he will be the next Curry. More like the next Jimmer.

Leslie Forman · Post #649 » by **Leslie Forman** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:03 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
tong po wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Yep, that's how you end up picking Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry.

LMAO that you think he will be the next Curry. More like the next Jimmer.

I never said that. But that kind of thinking is a really good way to end up with a physical specimen of a human being who's bad at actually playing basketball.

TheFinishSniper · Post #650 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:47 pm

tong po wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Yep, that's how you end up picking Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry.

funny thing was jonny flynn was smaller then steph. and after hip surgery in rookie year not that quick also.

realEAST · Post #651 » by **realEAST** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:04 pm

With Pels pick I am more and more hoping Sexton slips a few spots, he is the most interesting one to take a high upside swing in that draft range.

With our first I am hoping for Doncic, but would be perfectly content with one of JJJ or Bamba as a more likely option.

Still think we could be in play for a high pick next year too, if we don't make some overly audacious moves in FA (obviously, I'd welcome signing a superstar, but not some mid tier, depth guys)

thedarkstark · Post #652 » by **thedarkstark** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:44 pm

realEAST wrote:With Pels pick I am more and more hoping Sexton slips a few spots, he is the most interesting one to take a high upside swing in that draft range.

With our first I am hoping for Doncic, but would be perfectly content with one of JJJ or Bamba as a more likely option.

Still think we could be in play for a high pick next year too, if we don't make some overly audacious moves in FA (obviously, I'd welcome signing a superstar, but not some mid tier, depth guys)

Almost every mock I've seen has him going in the top 10, so he'd have to fall quite a lot if the Pels don't start losing... like 8-10 spots.

realEAST · Post #653 » by **realEAST** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:04 pm

thedarkstark wrote:
realEAST wrote:With Pels pick I am more and more hoping Sexton slips a few spots, he is the most interesting one to take a high upside swing in that draft range.

With our first I am hoping for Doncic, but would be perfectly content with one of JJJ or Bamba as a more likely option.

Still think we could be in play for a high pick next year too, if we don't make some overly audacious moves in FA (obviously, I'd welcome signing a superstar, but not some mid tier, depth guys)

Almost every mock I've seen has him going in the top 10, so he'd have to fall quite a lot if the Pels don't start losing... like 8-10 spots.

West is crampled back there, it's three games difference between Utah (#13 pick) and Pels (#21 atm), it is going to be close. I never did bet on Pels missing POs though, despite Cousins being out, I can see them making it as #8 in West.

Sexton otoh showed less than was expected from him this season imo, and is closer to #12 than #8 (I'd take Bridges, Carter, Knox over him at this moment), and if some team decides to take a swing or go with fit and take some of Robert Williams, Gafford, Musa, T. Brown, L. Walker in front, he could be there when we choose.
Far from given, but a possibility.

ChiTownHero1992 · Post #654 » by **ChiTownHero1992** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:10 pm

I'm still looking for a big 1st with (JJJ, Ayton, Bamba, etc) then a SF second with (Mikal, Musa, etc)

Musa is going to be a good bench scorer, want to see what he can do. Could be a lengthy Ben Gordon type off the bench for us.

Red Larrivee · Post #655 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:34 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
Sounds like a lot to go through for a player still living off high school hype.

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Yeah I'm not sure he is worth a package deal on a guy we would not take otherwise.

I mean, we should want Jontay anyway. This isn't a Taylor Griffin thing.

I like Jontay as much as you do, but I just wouldn't promise any prospect we'll draft him as an incentive.

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TheSuzerain · Post #656 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:11 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Yeah I'm not sure he is worth a package deal on a guy we would not take otherwise.

I mean, we should want Jontay anyway. This isn't a Taylor Griffin thing.

I like Jontay as much as you do, but I just wouldn't promise any prospect we'll draft him as an incentive.

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I’m not a huge MPJ guy.

But if the Bulls identify him as the player to go after, they should be proactive about it.

Dresden · Post #657 » by **Dresden** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:32 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I mean, we should want Jontay anyway. This isn't a Taylor Griffin thing.

I like Jontay as much as you do, but I just wouldn't promise any prospect we'll draft him as an incentive.

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I’m not a huge MPJ guy.

But if the Bulls identify him as the player to go after, they should be proactive about it.

That move is basically using the Pels pick to move up in the draft to get a guy who might go top 4. Plus we get to take a flyer on his brother to boot. I think it's a good strategy if we end up picking 7 or 8.

RSP83 · Post #658 » by **RSP83** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:50 pm

Lexluthor wrote:I would not mind trading Kriss Dunn if the Bulls got Trae Young. I don't see Star potential with Dunn

Trae Young is garbage. We should stay away from him.

Mech Engineer · Post #659 » by **Mech Engineer** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:02 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
tong po wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:Nah his ceiling isn't that high compared to the other guys in the top 7. He's small, weak and not that quick.

Yep, that's how you end up picking Jonny Flynn over Stephen Curry.

LMAO that you think he will be the next Curry. More like the next Jimmer.

What we are seeing with most players other than somebody who is an outlier like Jimmy is this...

You have to evaluate their primary skill(s) which might transfer to the NBA. Other than that, hoping they will become a stud in a skill which they don't possess right now is a setup for disappointment. For ex: expecting Dunn to be a good to a top 5(among PGs) 3 pt shooter or expecting Derrick Rose to become a prolific jumpshooter or Noah to get a reasonable jumpshot or Deng to learn how to create/playmake as a second option or KAT to become a prolific rim protecting Center etc...

If they are already elite in something and you see that can be projected for success in the NBA, you go with that. You can then hope they become average in what they lack with development/experience/coaching.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #660 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:11 pm

Trae Young’s getting exposed - teams are locking in on him. Neither Krueger nor Young is making the adjustment to the adjustment. Come next level NBA defenses are going to be better than what he’s facing now. I’m not a fan but if you’re all that you find a way. Curious to see how the season plays out for him and curious to see how he does in the draft process.