NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not sure that helps makes it sound like he'd be willing to do whatever it took.

[Kerrsed]

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[AtheJ415]

Miller should not be the head coach. His biggest advantage in college was recruiting, and I'd argue that while he has been quite good, he has underachieved relative to the talent at his disposal. Not a fan of college coaches at all unless they win more with less because in the NBA the cap limits any recruiting-based advantage. Also a reason I'm not a fan of Calipari in the NBA either.

Rumors are we are going after Fizdale, and that Walton may end up out in LA. I would prefer both to Miller for an NBA role.

Really?

Can you name the top recruits he brought to Arizona and Xavier, because im drawing a huge blank on any of them besides Ayton, Gordon, and Stanley Johnson.

Anyway, he is the "Updated List":

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2017/10/23/phoenix-suns-coach-candidates-steve-nash-dan-majerle-sean-miller-z/791255001/

He brought in a top 10 class annually if not top 5 in many years. Just because not all of them took off in the NBA doesn't mean he didn't have overwhelming talent relative to his competition. Great college coach, but would be at best a bottom tier NBA coach imo.

[DirtyDez]

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Trae Young shot 94.5% from free throws in February, higher than Devin Booker has ever done in 23 months of college or NBA. So his shooting ability hasn't disappeared which could point to other factors affecting his 3 point shooting.

[bwgood77]

Young has unquestionably hit a wall physically since mid-January, with Oklahoma going just 3-10 in that stretch, and NBA scouts are openly questioning how well his frail body type can hold up over the course of an 82-game season. Part of that is undoubtedly due to how bad his supporting cast is, and it was jarring to see how little help they provided him early on, blowing wide-open layups and 3-pointers, being unable to make simple catches and getting pummeled all game inside the paint by a much more physical Baylor squad. Young actually started the game well (though he wasn't rewarded for it on the stat-sheet), but he quickly appeared disheartened by his lack of help and the way the game evolved. He went into chucker mode, continually hoisting up ill-advised pull-up jumpers that simply haven't been falling.

Even in a down game, it wasn't hard to see what makes Young an intriguing NBA prospect. His ballhandling skills and court vision are elite, and combined with his impeccable footwork and tremendous ability to change speeds, he can get to almost wherever he wants on the floor. The issue he has run into in Big 12 play (besides his cold shooting) is that he's struggling to finish around the basket effectively. He also isn't drawing fouls at anywhere near the rate he did earlier in the season, partially due to the physical toll this takes on his body.

There's a school of thought among NBA scouts that Young might be packing it in to a certain extent at this point in the season, content with what he has already shown and not looking to expend too much energy at the risk of getting injured. This is especially noticeable on the defensive end, where Young looked to expend absolutely no energy whatsoever all game, barely getting into a stance once, dying on every screen, never putting a body on an opponent and simply looking like it wasn't in his job description to put effort into actually getting a stop.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22607671/2018-nba-draft-stock-watch-trae-young

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man the thought of another horrific defender on this team is a hard pill to swallow. I've really soured on young.

[bwgood77]

Man the thought of another horrific defender on this team is a hard pill to swallow. I've really soured on young.

Yeah, it wouldn't be bad if we didn't have the worst defending SG in the league, but it's tough to put Young next to him on that ball. Though our offense would instantly improve tremendously and Booker and everyone else's efficiency would likely go up. Considering we can't get much worse defensively, being last in the league, the overall impact would be a positive. At least more positive than any other PG we are likely to get.

He's not my first choice and a poor front court defender would probably hurt more, so I'd be ok with him if we finish outside of the top 3 or 4. My guess is McD will take one of the others though, particularly if he likes Payton.

[bwgood77]

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Thats a great statement!

[Midnight_Suns]

I was thinking about the knock on Ayton's intensity/lack of interest in defense. If you think for one minute that JJ and Booker don't come down on his ass for that and keep him in check right away, you are kidding yourself.

The thought of Booker, Jackson, and Ayton as our core literally almost makes me choke up. Our team has sucked for 8 years, those three have the potential to be a dynasty.

[bwgood77]

I was thinking about the knock on Ayton's intensity/lack of interest in defense. If you think for one minute that JJ and Booker don't come down on his ass for that and keep him in check right away, you are kidding yourself.

The thought of Booker, Jackson, and Ayton as our core literally almost makes me choke up. Our team has sucked for 8 years, those three have the potential to be a dynasty.

Booker coming down on anyone's ass for not being interested in defense? LOL

[cberry78]

I was thinking about the knock on Ayton's intensity/lack of interest in defense. If you think for one minute that JJ and Booker don't come down on his ass for that and keep him in check right away, you are kidding yourself.

The thought of Booker, Jackson, and Ayton as our core literally almost makes me choke up. Our team has sucked for 8 years, those three have the potential to be a dynasty.

Booker coming down on anyone's ass for not being interested in defense? LOL

Just because hes not any good at it doesn't mean he's not interested.

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This whole ordeal could propel the cats higher than they were

[darealjuice]

What a weird past couple of weeks for Arizona

[kennydorglas]

Trier is our bail out guy. Once our offense starts to stagnate, he's the only one who can create buckets out of nowhere.

[bwgood77]

What a weird past couple of weeks for Arizona

It's all been one week. Trace substances of whatever found in Trier's tests last Thursday. ESPN reports Miller discussed a payment for Ayton last Friday. NCAA president questioning credibility. Shaq's son decommitting. Yahoo's Pat Forde questioning credibility. SI and an attorney claiming source told them ESPN story is false. Miller says it's all false. University stands behind him. Trier reinstated.

Yes, craziest week in AZ basketball I remember. Hopefully it all doesn't hurt the program too much in short and long run. But I have a feeling this may have lit a big fire under team to end the season. So a big tourney run and final four appearance would be nice. Plus, they have some open recruiting spots.

Next year they might take a dip but after that hopefully they bounce back.

[lilfishi22]

Young has unquestionably hit a wall physically since mid-January, with Oklahoma going just 3-10 in that stretch, and NBA scouts are openly questioning how well his frail body type can hold up over the course of an 82-game season. Part of that is undoubtedly due to how bad his supporting cast is, and it was jarring to see how little help they provided him early on, blowing wide-open layups and 3-pointers, being unable to make simple catches and getting pummeled all game inside the paint by a much more physical Baylor squad. Young actually started the game well (though he wasn't rewarded for it on the stat-sheet), but he quickly appeared disheartened by his lack of help and the way the game evolved. He went into chucker mode, continually hoisting up ill-advised pull-up jumpers that simply haven't been falling.

Even in a down game, it wasn't hard to see what makes Young an intriguing NBA prospect. His ballhandling skills and court vision are elite, and combined with his impeccable footwork and tremendous ability to change speeds, he can get to almost wherever he wants on the floor. The issue he has run into in Big 12 play (besides his cold shooting) is that he's struggling to finish around the basket effectively. He also isn't drawing fouls at anywhere near the rate he did earlier in the season, partially due to the physical toll this takes on his body.

There's a school of thought among NBA scouts that Young might be packing it in to a certain extent at this point in the season, content with what he has already shown and not looking to expend too much energy at the risk of getting injured. This is especially noticeable on the defensive end, where Young looked to expend absolutely no energy whatsoever all game, barely getting into a stance once, dying on every screen, never putting a body on an opponent and simply looking like it wasn't in his job description to put effort into actually getting a stop.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22607671/2018-nba-draft-stock-watch-trae-young

It's kind of crazy that while I've never been super high on Young, it's during the worst stretch of his college career have I become more of a fan. Not getting much help from his team mates and having no one else that can score on their own just means teams are building their defense around containing him. That might be fine in college but in the NBA where most players can make lay ups, shoot and move the ball without you, he's going to have less defensive pressure and signficantly more spacing with a longer 3PT line.

I'm still concerned about his defensive abilities and I've pretty much given up on projecting him to be anymore than being mediocre on that end of the court but his offense far outweighs his weakness on defense in a similar way to great offensive PG's like Curry and Nash.

[bwgood77]

Young has unquestionably hit a wall physically since mid-January, with Oklahoma going just 3-10 in that stretch, and NBA scouts are openly questioning how well his frail body type can hold up over the course of an 82-game season. Part of that is undoubtedly due to how bad his supporting cast is, and it was jarring to see how little help they provided him early on, blowing wide-open layups and 3-pointers, being unable to make simple catches and getting pummeled all game inside the paint by a much more physical Baylor squad. Young actually started the game well (though he wasn't rewarded for it on the stat-sheet), but he quickly appeared disheartened by his lack of help and the way the game evolved. He went into chucker mode, continually hoisting up ill-advised pull-up jumpers that simply haven't been falling.

Even in a down game, it wasn't hard to see what makes Young an intriguing NBA prospect. His ballhandling skills and court vision are elite, and combined with his impeccable footwork and tremendous ability to change speeds, he can get to almost wherever he wants on the floor. The issue he has run into in Big 12 play (besides his cold shooting) is that he's struggling to finish around the basket effectively. He also isn't drawing fouls at anywhere near the rate he did earlier in the season, partially due to the physical toll this takes on his body.

There's a school of thought among NBA scouts that Young might be packing it in to a certain extent at this point in the season, content with what he has already shown and not looking to expend too much energy at the risk of getting injured. This is especially noticeable on the defensive end, where Young looked to expend absolutely no energy whatsoever all game, barely getting into a stance once, dying on every screen, never putting a body on an opponent and simply looking like it wasn't in his job description to put effort into actually getting a stop.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22607671/2018-nba-draft-stock-watch-trae-young

It's kind of crazy that while I've never been super high on Young, it's during the worst stretch of his college career have I become more of a fan. Not getting much help from his team mates and having no one else that can score on their own just means teams are building their defense around containing him. That might be fine in college but in the NBA where most players can make lay ups, shoot and move the ball without you, he's going to have less defensive pressure and signficantly more spacing with a longer 3PT line.

I'm still concerned about his defensive abilities and I've pretty much given up on projecting him to be anymore than being mediocre on that end of the court but his offense far outweighs his weakness on defense in a similar way to great offensive PG's like Curry and Nash.

Yeah, I think he can be somewhat like those guys. I think he's a great shooter and passer - little doubt in my mind he can be very good at both in the NBA. HIs turnovers are probably his biggest drawback right now, but his teammates are bad, so I am not sure how many of those are because of that....I know some of them are because of the constant defensive pressure. Have you watched one of their games?

You know how at the end of games when a team is down and they are trying to force a turnover and two guys bottle up a guy? It's kind of like that for him the whole game.

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He didn't leave himself any wiggle room there. I don't see why he'd come out with such an unequivocal statement if there were recordings since it would all get out eventually

I'm no lawyer but I'd imagine a defamation case would be in order should what Miller say be true.