Trae Young

[MalonesElbows]

I think Young is going to be a really great college PG, I just dont think his game translates to the NBA. No doubt he was the reason why Oklahoma was ranked that high, I dont know how anyone could argue that.

That would be disappointing if what you say turns out to be true. NBAdraft.net has Trae Youngs player comparison as Stephen Curry.

Although I learned my lesson not to get to hyped about nbadraft.nets player comparisons.

I remember I was hyped about a player named Jimmer Fredette who’s player comparison is Mark Price!

He turned out to be a bust even though he seemed to have unlimited range and lead the nation in scoring.

Interestingly Jimmer is also listed as the same height as Trae Young.

Jimmer was undersized for his position tho, Being undersized and terrible athlete is a death sentence. Young is small, but he legit has PG skills, and for a point guard his size is adequate.

5.3 turnovers per game is not legit PG skills, he's just a gambler. In the NBA if he runs point that balloons to 7 turnovers a game. Show me an NBA PG that had even close to 5.3 turnovers when drafted and became a star.

[Duke4life831]

Ya just not a fan of his game for the next level. He couldn't get to the line today and when his shot isn't falling and he can't get to the line he really really struggles and i feel like he's going to have a hard time getting to the line consistently on the next level.

[doordoor123]

And if they were regular defensively OU would just be losing conference games 110-105. Assists aren’t a very valuable stat in the first place and Young has already shown himself to be good at passing regardless of how many he records.

I argue assists is the most important stat as it makes the team better and the whole point of basketball is to make the team win. Also every MVP has a high assist rate. And there are teams that build their teams around passing. Especially now that iso-ball is becoming non-existent. The Raptors literally took apart their iso-team to become a passing team and became much better because of that. Even DeMar DeRozan started to pass and has become a better player for it.

No, passing the ball well makes the team better. Passing the ball well isn't that closely tied to getting a lot of assists. If Trae Young had gotten 20+ assists because his teammates were shooting 80% on catch-and-shoot jumpers or whatever one thinks 'regular' talent should be capable of, that doesn't make him any better of a passer.

Yes, but he does pass the ball well even if it doesn’t correlate to his numbers.

[SeattleJazzFan]

re: turnovers. he feels he has to take chances (I agree that he does) in order to create scoring opportunities for an otherwise offensively challenged roster. he won't have to take those chances in the NBA. to think his turnover issues will transfer over the NBA is just silly. to think his turnovers will increase is absolutely ludicrous.

[Duke4life831]

re: turnovers. he feels he has to take chances (I agree that he does) in order to create scoring opportunities for an otherwise offensively challenged roster. he won't have to take those chances in the NBA. to think his turnover issues will transfer over the NBA is just silly. to think his turnovers will increase is absolutely ludicrous.

He leads the nation in turnovers by a significant margin. Young has 155 turnovers so far on the year, Daejon Davis is 2nd with 107 for power conference players, thats a huge gap.

13 more turnovers on the season and he will have the most turnovers in a single season that college basketball has seen in 18 years. It stops at 18 years because I cant find a website that has a list of turnovers beyond the 2001 season. So I just find it hard to say its silly to think his turnover issues will transfer to the NBA, while hes turning it over more than we have seen in close to 20 years (maybe more) in college basketball.

[doordoor123]

re: turnovers. he feels he has to take chances (I agree that he does) in order to create scoring opportunities for an otherwise offensively challenged roster. he won't have to take those chances in the NBA. to think his turnover issues will transfer over the NBA is just silly. to think his turnovers will increase is absolutely ludicrous.

He leads the nation in turnovers by a significant margin. Young has 155 turnovers so far on the year, Daejon Davis is 2nd with 107 for power conference players, thats a huge gap.

13 more turnovers on the season and he will have the most turnovers in a single season that college basketball has seen in 18 years. It stops at 18 years because I cant find a website that has a list of turnovers beyond the 2001 season. So I just find it hard to say its silly to think his turnover issues will transfer to the NBA, while hes turning it over more than we have seen in close to 20 years (maybe more) in college basketball.

Yes, but how is he turning the ball over? He’s dealing with pressure he won’t get in the NBA. The floor is bigger and defenders have to travel farther away to cover the way defenders are covering him. Granted defenders will be longer and bigger, but that space is a big difference. It’ll also be a big difference when he has other guys who can create and take the attention off of him. I also think when he has open threes in the NBA he’s going to learn to nail them. There might be an adjustment period because he’s not used to taking open threes, but if he takes his time itll be hard for him to miss.

[SeattleJazzFan]

re: turnovers. he feels he has to take chances (I agree that he does) in order to create scoring opportunities for an otherwise offensively challenged roster. he won't have to take those chances in the NBA. to think his turnover issues will transfer over the NBA is just silly. to think his turnovers will increase is absolutely ludicrous.

He leads the nation in turnovers by a significant margin. Young has 155 turnovers so far on the year, Daejon Davis is 2nd with 107 for power conference players, thats a huge gap.

13 more turnovers on the season and he will have the most turnovers in a single season that college basketball has seen in 18 years. It stops at 18 years because I cant find a website that has a list of turnovers beyond the 2001 season. So I just find it hard to say its silly to think his turnover issues will transfer to the NBA, while hes turning it over more than we have seen in close to 20 years (maybe more) in college basketball.

nobody said he doesn't have a lot turnovers. not sure why you are trying to convince me or anybody that he has a ton of turnovers. i think we can all agree that he's turns it over a ton.

i just explained to you why he turns it over so much and why it will be completely different in the NBA.

[SeattleJazzFan]

re: turnovers. he feels he has to take chances (I agree that he does) in order to create scoring opportunities for an otherwise offensively challenged roster. he won't have to take those chances in the NBA. to think his turnover issues will transfer over the NBA is just silly. to think his turnovers will increase is absolutely ludicrous.

He leads the nation in turnovers by a significant margin. Young has 155 turnovers so far on the year, Daejon Davis is 2nd with 107 for power conference players, thats a huge gap.

13 more turnovers on the season and he will have the most turnovers in a single season that college basketball has seen in 18 years. It stops at 18 years because I cant find a website that has a list of turnovers beyond the 2001 season. So I just find it hard to say its silly to think his turnover issues will transfer to the NBA, while hes turning it over more than we have seen in close to 20 years (maybe more) in college basketball.

Yes, but how is he turning the ball over? He’s dealing with pressure he won’t get in the NBA. The floor is bigger and defenders have to travel farther away to cover the way defenders are covering him. Granted defenders will be longer and bigger, but that space is a big difference. It’ll also be a big difference when he has other guys who can create and take the attention off of him. I also think when he has open threes in the NBA he’s going to learn to nail them. There might be an adjustment period because he’s not used to taking open threes, but if he takes his time itll be hard for him to miss.

the defensive pressure is a big part of it, but the bigger reason is that he's forcing things, taking chances he wouldn't normally take, to create scoring opportunities for his teammates.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Putting him alongside Devin Booker at Phoenix gives him his best chance to optimise his game and minimise his weaknesses. I'm not sure he can change too much at NBA level if he doesn't have a great wing shooter next to him.

[nolang1]

I argue assists is the most important stat as it makes the team better and the whole point of basketball is to make the team win. Also every MVP has a high assist rate. And there are teams that build their teams around passing. Especially now that iso-ball is becoming non-existent. The Raptors literally took apart their iso-team to become a passing team and became much better because of that. Even DeMar DeRozan started to pass and has become a better player for it.

No, passing the ball well makes the team better. Passing the ball well isn't that closely tied to getting a lot of assists. If Trae Young had gotten 20+ assists because his teammates were shooting 80% on catch-and-shoot jumpers or whatever one thinks 'regular' talent should be capable of, that doesn't make him any better of a passer.

Yes, but he does pass the ball well even if it doesn’t correlate to his numbers.

If only you had actually read to the end of my original post you responded to. Could have saved yourself a lot of time.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Putting him alongside Devin Booker at Phoenix gives him his best chance to optimise his game and minimise his weaknesses. I'm not sure he can change too much at NBA level if he doesn't have a great wing shooter next to him.

Booker would be fine, but imo, he needs to be next to a guard who defends. ideally on a team that plays great team defense with good spot up shooters. having a big who can finish - somebody like Capela would be great too.

honestly, if the Jazz didn't have Mitchell, he'd be a pretty great fit with them.

[Nazrmohamed]

That would be disappointing if what you say turns out to be true. NBAdraft.net has Trae Youngs player comparison as Stephen Curry.

Although I learned my lesson not to get to hyped about nbadraft.nets player comparisons.

I remember I was hyped about a player named Jimmer Fredette who’s player comparison is Mark Price!

He turned out to be a bust even though he seemed to have unlimited range and lead the nation in scoring.

Interestingly Jimmer is also listed as the same height as Trae Young.

Jimmer was undersized for his position tho, Being undersized and terrible athlete is a death sentence. Young is small, but he legit has PG skills, and for a point guard his size is adequate.

5.3 turnovers per game is not legit PG skills, he's just a gambler. In the NBA if he runs point that balloons to 7 turnovers a game. Show me an NBA PG that had even close to 5.3 turnovers when drafted and became a star.

Yeah but at where most mocks have him there really won't be any stars as far as alpha players so you might as well take him. If you're in position you've probably been developing other lottery players for the last yr or two, he'd just be taking the best player available (assuming he's about a 6th pick). I don't think he's gonna lead the nba in points and assists but I do feel he'll be a legit threat in the league.

Maybe a 20 and 6 player. It really all depends on the situation which is the case for just about everybody outside the top 5

[Duke4life831]

He leads the nation in turnovers by a significant margin. Young has 155 turnovers so far on the year, Daejon Davis is 2nd with 107 for power conference players, thats a huge gap.

13 more turnovers on the season and he will have the most turnovers in a single season that college basketball has seen in 18 years. It stops at 18 years because I cant find a website that has a list of turnovers beyond the 2001 season. So I just find it hard to say its silly to think his turnover issues will transfer to the NBA, while hes turning it over more than we have seen in close to 20 years (maybe more) in college basketball.

Yes, but how is he turning the ball over? He’s dealing with pressure he won’t get in the NBA. The floor is bigger and defenders have to travel farther away to cover the way defenders are covering him. Granted defenders will be longer and bigger, but that space is a big difference. It’ll also be a big difference when he has other guys who can create and take the attention off of him. I also think when he has open threes in the NBA he’s going to learn to nail them. There might be an adjustment period because he’s not used to taking open threes, but if he takes his time itll be hard for him to miss.

the defensive pressure is a big part of it, but the bigger reason is that he's forcing things, taking chances he wouldn't normally take, to create scoring opportunities for his teammates.

Thats always been Trae Young though. He has always been a hyper aggressive PG. This has always been one of my major issues with him, even before he started college. He is over aggressive and makes a lot of mistakes. I think hes a good shooter, but he seems to always end up with bad shooting numbers from the field because he is too aggressive and takes bad shots. I think he is a good passer, but he gets too aggressive and makes dumb unforced passes which leads to turnovers. This isn't new for him though, hes not only doing this because of the players he plays with. This is how he has always played. Thats why Im saying I think hes going to be turnover prone in the NBA because thats just who he is.

[azcatz11]

No thank you. I can take one look at this kid and see he’s not an nba player. His body and frame are not there. Let’s stop anointing every guy whose 60% Steph as the next Steph. There’s going to be a lot more imposters coming along....

[SeattleJazzFan]

lol

[nolang1]

No thank you. I can take one look at this kid and see he’s not an nba player. His body and frame are not there. Let’s stop anointing every guy whose 60% Steph as the next Steph. There’s going to be a lot more imposters coming along....

The whole point of Trae Young is that Steph Curry is so good that 60% of him is still a valuable player to have. Ben Simmons being a 60% LeBron impostor still makes him one of the best young players in the league.

[azcatz11]

No thank you. I can take one look at this kid and see he’s not an nba player. His body and frame are not there. Let’s stop anointing every guy whose 60% Steph as the next Steph. There’s going to be a lot more imposters coming along....

The whole point of Trae Young is that Steph Curry is so good that 60% of him is still a valuable player to have. Ben Simmons being a 60% LeBron impostor still makes him one of the best young players in the league.

Point taken. I still don't see it with him. He's too short and doesn't have an NBA body. I wouldn't touch him in the lotto. He's busting harder than Trey Burke

[Mulhollanddrive]

Could Trae Young drop below 7? If so who rises?

[toussaud]

everyone finally coming around to my point of view on him. he's an nba player. not now. and he won't be a great one.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I could see a team take Wendell Carter ahead of him.