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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#21 » by Spud2nique » Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:50 pm

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D21 wrote:If he wants a quick turnaround, better maximize your chances of getting the Top pick. I don't see the point to be the worst team for 60 games and then letting 6 teams have more chances to get the Top pick.



Travis has done everything he can as GM to make this roster terrible. Filling it with sub par talent with little to no experience.

Read on Twitter



If you want to thank (blame?) someone for the team overachieving -- look no further than Michael Aloysius Budenholzer.



Nah, I still blame Indy for sucking.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#22 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:53 pm

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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#23 » by jayu70 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 4:11 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:
D21 wrote:If he wants a quick turnaround, better maximize your chances of getting the Top pick. I don't see the point to be the worst team for 60 games and then letting 6 teams have more chances to get the Top pick.



Travis has done everything he can as GM to make this roster terrible. Filling it with sub par talent with little to no experience.

Read on Twitter



If you want to thank (blame?) someone for the team overachieving -- look no further than Michael Aloysius Budenholzer.



Nah, I still blame Indy for sucking.

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I give you -
Isaiah Taylor, Tyler Dorsey, a 10day-er signed today from the GL, Mike Muscala and Miles Plumlee - that's the ideal tank lineup and Indy couldn't beat us, smh.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#24 » by macd-gm » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:14 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Travis has done everything he can as GM to make this roster terrible. Filling it with sub par talent with little to no experience.

Read on Twitter



If you want to thank (blame?) someone for the team overachieving -- look no further than Michael Aloysius Budenholzer.



Nah, I still blame Indy for sucking.

:nod:
I give you -
Isaiah Taylor, Tyler Dorsey, a 10day-er signed today from the GL, Mike Muscala and Miles Plumlee - that's the ideal tank lineup and Indy couldn't beat us, smh.


Any fears that Bud wouldn't embrace the tank were laid to rest early on. We could have more wins but instead we are real close to the worst record in the league with plenty of time and a tough schedule left. To say that Bud is doing everything to win is without facts.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#25 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:20 pm

macd-gm wrote:To say that Bud is doing everything to win is without facts.



I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#26 » by macd-gm » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:27 pm

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macd-gm wrote:To say that Bud is doing everything to win is without facts.



I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.


Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#27 » by jayu70 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:39 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:
macd-gm wrote:To say that Bud is doing everything to win is without facts.



I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.


Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.
Exactly.
IIRC Baze was firmly planted on the bench to end the game against the Pacers. I think Delaney played SG next to Dennis.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#28 » by Spud2nique » Fri Mar 2, 2018 9:55 pm

macd-gm wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
macd-gm wrote:To say that Bud is doing everything to win is without facts.



I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.


Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.



+1 on Baze the secret weapon..


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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#29 » by tbhawksfan1 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 10:27 pm

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macd-gm wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.


Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.



+1 on Baze the secret weapon..


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great gif, but the chicken has a head
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#30 » by Spud2nique » Sat Mar 3, 2018 2:22 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.



+1 on Baze the secret weapon..


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great gif, but the chicken has a head


:lol: True true!
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#31 » by macd-gm » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:19 pm

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macd-gm wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

I'll believe that when I see Bazemore benched for the rest of the year, Miles running PG and Dennis shooting only half court shots.

If we really want to lose games -- start Dennis, Dorsey, Bembry, Prince and Collins for the sake of player development.

That's how you tank.


Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.



+1 on Baze the secret weapon..


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And i posted that before the GS game. I am so smart. S-M-R-T!!!
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#32 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:26 pm

IDK, we could be doing more:

In incredible tank-off, Mavs play possession with four players and Bulls still don't score

The Bulls would go on to beat the Mavericks 108-100 in a game both teams really needed to lose

Late in the third quarter against the Bulls on Friday night, the Mavs went out there with only four players on the court. But despite their best tanking efforts, they ended up getting a stop on the possession. Well, actually the Bulls just immediately fired up a wide-open 3-pointer that clanged off the rim, but that does technically count as a stop.


I'll see your tank job and raise you a tank job.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#33 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:32 pm

macd-gm wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
macd-gm wrote:
Not really. No one does that. Last I saw Dallas was still starting Dirk, Matthews, Barnes. It's not who you start but who you play during the game. You start just throwing out 40 minutes of crap players then you lose all respectability with the players. And btw, baze is an end of game secret weapon a lot of the times if you're trying to lose.



+1 on Baze the secret weapon..


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And i posted that before the GS game. I am so smart. S-M-R-T!!!



Lmao love it!
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Post#34 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:04 pm

I'm getting the feeling that Schlenk is going to move Schro this off-season. This isn't about what I want. I like Shro. I just think that Bud and TS both want a more complete player running their team; especially a PG that can shoot a good three.

I fear the return won't be what we'd like to get, but I see this as a rebuilding move for the long-term. Would hate to see Schro go, but a 3-D, dish kind of PG might fit in better with Bud-ball.
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Post#35 » by macd-gm » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:43 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Schlenk is going to move Schro this off-season. This isn't about what I want. I like Shro. I just think that Bud and TS both want a more complete player running their team; especially a PG that can shoot a good three.

I fear the return won't be what we'd like to get, but I see this as a rebuilding move for the long-term. Would hate to see Schro go, but a 3-D, dish kind of PG might fit in better with Bud-ball.


I totally agree. Might move Dennis and one of our picks to move up a little more.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#36 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:49 pm

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Schlenk is going to move Schro this off-season. This isn't about what I want. I like Shro. I just think that Bud and TS both want a more complete player running their team; especially a PG that can shoot a good three.

I fear the return won't be what we'd like to get, but I see this as a rebuilding move for the long-term. Would hate to see Schro go, but a 3-D, dish kind of PG might fit in better with Bud-ball.


I totally agree. Might move Dennis and one of our picks to move up a little more.


Yeah, and there are some upperclassmen PGs available in this draft who seem like they would be more in line with the style of play we'll likely seek moving forward.

Devonte Graham is an elite 3-point shooter and has great playmaking skills. Jalen Brunson also shares these traits, though neither has elite athleticism for the position.

I predict we'll package Dennis and the HOU pick to move into the top 20. And then grab one of the aforementioned PGs in the early 2nd round.

Dennis + #30 to Philly for #17 and change seems viable.
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Post#37 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:19 pm

PHI looks good. They might want to move Bayless which would sweeten Hawk"s return

I like the idea of Schro for Bayless / Filler / #12 (LAL).
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#38 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:23 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:PHI looks good. They might want to move Bayless which would sweeten Hawk"s return

I like the idea of Schro for Bayless / Filler / #12 (LAL).



I would do this. Seems like a fair market value for Dennis. Both teams win here...well, I dunno how Dennis fits in with Philly but I definitely like the direction for us.
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Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone 

Post#39 » by macd-gm » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:53 pm

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:PHI looks good. They might want to move Bayless which would sweeten Hawk"s return

I like the idea of Schro for Bayless / Filler / #12 (LAL).



I would do this. Seems like a fair market value for Dennis. Both teams win here...well, I dunno how Dennis fits in with Philly but I definitely like the direction for us.


Right. Why would Philly want a $14 million/year backup PG with potentially a bad attitude.
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Post#40 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:16 pm

macd-gm wrote:Right. Why would Philly want a $14 million/year backup PG with potentially a bad attitude.



76ers currently have 6 draft picks in the 2018 draft (only 2 in the top 20) and have attempted to acquire Dennis in the past.

At some point, they have to consolidate some of those selections into a proven veteran if they want to move to the next phase of their rebuild.

Spoiler:
The 76ers tried to trade a ton of assets for Dennis Schroder, but the Hawks said no

The 76ers are reportedly after the young Hawks point guard, and being turned down at the trade deadline won't stop their pursuit.


Philadelphia reportedly offered Nik Stauskas, Ish Smith and one of the team's three potential first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, but it still wasn't enough to get Atlanta to bite.

Pompey also reports this will not be the end of Philadelphia's chase of Schroder, who will be a restricted free agent after the 2016-17 season. The Sixers are reportedly set to offer Schroder a max contract when he hits the market. Per the Philadelphia Inquirer
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