Proposal: Carson Wentz + 2018 & 2019 1st Round Picks For Aaron Rodgers

[chuckleslove]

Yes, the only possible negative in trading possibly the greatest QB of all time for a 3rd year player coming off of an ACL injury is the fan outcry.

Makes a ton of sense to me.

[rilamann]

In other words, just because Tom Brady has played well at age 40 doesn't mean Rodgers will. He probably won't. He could drop off a cliff at age 35.

There's a greater chance that Rodgers falls off a cliff at 35 than there that he is still playing at an MVP level at 40. If Rodgers is still playing in the NFL at age 40 as like the 19th best starting QB in the league I would be somewhat floored. Not that I have anything against Rodgers, but Tom Brady still playing at an MVP level at age 40 is probably a top 10 all time anomaly in the history of pro sports.

I personally wouldn't make this deal from our perspective, but I also understand that there's a good possibility that the Eagles would laugh and hung up the phone at this offer 2 years from now.

[humanrefutation]

In other words, just because Tom Brady has played well at age 40 doesn't mean Rodgers will. He probably won't. He could drop off a cliff at age 35.

There's a greater chance that Rodgers falls off a cliff at 35 than there that he is still playing at an MVP level at 40. If Rodgers is still playing in the NFL at age 40 as like the 19th best starting QB in the league I would be somewhat floored. Not that I have anything against Rodgers, but Tom Brady still playing at an MVP level at age 40 is probably a top 10 all time anomaly in the history of pro sports.

I personally wouldn't make this deal from our perspective, but I also understand that there's a good possibility that the Eagles would laugh and hung up the phone at this offer 2 years from now.

It's not really an anomaly, though. It's a product of several clearly identifiable things:

1. Brady generally sits in the pocket.
2. Brady runs a lot of short, quick patterns.
3. QBs are protected by the rules and the refs more than they ever have been.

Thus, Brady almost never gets any physical punishment.

If Rodgers wants to be competitive at 39-40, he needs to change his game and the offense needs to change around him so he can play the same way.

[Turk Nowitzki]

We would need a coach/OC who can actually call plays to scheme WR's open instead of the "Rodgers scramble around and improvise something out of nothing" offense that we frequently employ now.

[rilamann]

Tom Brady still playing at an MVP level at age 40 is probably a top 10 all time anomaly in the history of pro sports.

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It's not really an anomaly, though.

Ok, name the other NFL QBs who played at an MVP level at age 40.

[humanrefutation]

Tom Brady still playing at an MVP level at age 40 is probably a top 10 all time anomaly in the history of pro sports.

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It's not really an anomaly, though.

Ok, name the other NFL QBs who played at an MVP level at age 40.

You mean, since they instituted all of these protections for QBs? I can really only think of Favre, who didn't even get the protection that Brady gets these days. Manning was headed in that direction if it wasn't for his neck injury sapping his strength and enabling him to retire at 39. Drew Brees is probably going to get there. He's about to be 39.

The league is different now than it was 10-15 years ago. And, you have to factor all of those other things that I pointed out.

[ReasonablySober]

Agree with HR. It's a different game now. With a smart OC you can put together a killer offense and the QB doesn't even get touched these days.

[JayMKE]

Agree with HR. It's a different game now. With a smart OC you can put together a killer offense and the QB doesn't even get touched these days.

Where can we get this OC?

[rilamann]

It's not really an anomaly, though.

Ok, name the other NFL QBs who played at an MVP level at age 40.

You mean, since they instituted all of these protections for QBs? I can really only think of Favre, who didn't even get the protection that Brady gets these days. Manning was headed in that direction if it wasn't for his neck injury sapping his strength and enabling him to retire at 39. Drew Brees is probably going to get there. He's about to be 39.

The league is different now than it was 10-15 years ago. And, you have to factor all of those other things that I pointed out.

I'll give you Favre in 2009 when he turned 40 during the season. Favre probably should have won MVP that year, but in 2010 when he was still 40 and turned 41 during the season he fell off a serious cliff. Plus Favre as a Viking had the motivation of sticking it to the Packers in 2009. He was good but not great the season prior with the Jets.

Even if he doesn't suffer the neck injury, no way in hell would Peyton Manning have still been playing an MVP level at 40. He was already showing signs of age before the surgery. Sure, he probably would have been a little better a little longer, but MVP level at 40? No.

I don't buy that the QB protections are going to lead to a bunch of MVP or even pro bowl level QBs at age 40. Keep in mind I am not talking about guys simply playing at 40, I am talking about guys at QB still playing at a very high level at 40. Even with the protections, QBs are still going to take hits and still get injured. Rodgers missed 10 games last season and the NFC championship was a match up of back up QBs.

One thing Rodgers has in his favor and could be a factor, is that he didn't play more than a handful of real NFL snaps his first 3 seasons in the league.If I am taking the optimistic approach to Rodgers still playing at a high level at 40, I would point to that.

The realistic approach is that Rodgers probably has 2 more MVP Godgers type seasons, this season and next. Then probably 2 seasons where he's solid, but not quite at that MVP level. Considering Rodgers is 34 and will turn 35 in December, saying he has 2 more MVP reasons in him is actually being pretty optimistic.

[brewbucks]

It’s crazy to think Rodgers is getting up there in age. Gotta enjoy every moment this season!

[humanrefutation]

Ok, name the other NFL QBs who played at an MVP level at age 40.

You mean, since they instituted all of these protections for QBs? I can really only think of Favre, who didn't even get the protection that Brady gets these days. Manning was headed in that direction if it wasn't for his neck injury sapping his strength and enabling him to retire at 39. Drew Brees is probably going to get there. He's about to be 39.

The league is different now than it was 10-15 years ago. And, you have to factor all of those other things that I pointed out.

I'll give you Favre in 2009 when he turned 40 during the season. Favre probably should have won MVP that year, but in 2010 when he was still 40 and turned 41 during the season he fell off a serious cliff. Plus Favre as a Viking had the motivation of sticking it to the Packers in 2009. He was good but not great the season prior with the Jets.

Even if he doesn't suffer the neck injury, no way in hell would Peyton Manning have still been playing an MVP level at 40. He was already showing signs of age before the surgery. Sure, he probably would have been a little better a little longer, but MVP level at 40? No.

I don't buy that the QB protections are going to lead to a bunch of MVP or even pro bowl level QBs at age 40. Keep in mind I am not talking about guys simply playing at 40, I am talking about guys at QB still playing at a very high level at 40. Even with the protections, QBs are still going to take hits and still get injured. Rodgers missed 10 games last season and the NFC championship was a match up of back up QBs.

One thing Rodgers has in his favor and could be a factor, is that he didn't play more than a handful of real NFL snaps his first 3 seasons in the league.If I am taking the optimistic approach to Rodgers still playing at a high level at 40, I would point to that.

The realistic approach is that Rodgers probably has 2 more MVP Godgers type seasons, this season and next. Then probably 2 seasons where he's solid, but not quite at that MVP level. Considering Rodgers is 34 and will turn 35 in December, saying he has 2 more MVP reasons in him is actually being pretty optimistic.

I understand where you're coming from. Let me clarify my point - I'm not saying there's going to be a bunch of QBs playing into their 40s at an MVP level. But that's not the standard that teams are aiming at in their QBs. If you can be a top 32 QB and you want to keep playing, the most common thing that stopped you in the past was the physical toll the game took on your body. You can't entirely eliminate that toll now, but if you can lessen that risk considerably, you'll find a job in this league.

Right now, you've got Brees and Brady playing into their 40s. Philip Rivers is going to be 37 this coming season with no significant physical decline. Eli Manning is going to turn 38 this season, and though he had a disappointing 2017, that was in part due to the fact that he had no one to throw to all season and his coach was crap. Josh McCown had a solid but unspectacular season for the Jets at 38 years old.

In the past, you had Joe Montana playing until he was 38. John Elway played util he was 38. Same with Dan Marino. Warren Moon started 10 games for the Seahawks at 42.

This is going to be a trend going forward, IMO, especially for great QBs in systems that enable them to release the ball quickly.

[bcks fan]

I'm ashamed for Packer fans everywhere that anyone would even entertain this.

Agreed. Any year Rodgers is healthy heading into camp, you immediately have a shot to contend. It's that simple. You don't trade that away.

[MikeIsGood]

Everytime I come to this board and see this thread peripherally, I think a trade has actually been made

Can someone change the name? It's confusing with it actually being trade season.

[DrWood]

You mean, since they instituted all of these protections for QBs? I can really only think of Favre, who didn't even get the protection that Brady gets these days. Manning was headed in that direction if it wasn't for his neck injury sapping his strength and enabling him to retire at 39. Drew Brees is probably going to get there. He's about to be 39.

The league is different now than it was 10-15 years ago. And, you have to factor all of those other things that I pointed out.

I'll give you Favre in 2009 when he turned 40 during the season. Favre probably should have won MVP that year, but in 2010 when he was still 40 and turned 41 during the season he fell off a serious cliff. Plus Favre as a Viking had the motivation of sticking it to the Packers in 2009. He was good but not great the season prior with the Jets.

Even if he doesn't suffer the neck injury, no way in hell would Peyton Manning have still been playing an MVP level at 40. He was already showing signs of age before the surgery. Sure, he probably would have been a little better a little longer, but MVP level at 40? No.

I don't buy that the QB protections are going to lead to a bunch of MVP or even pro bowl level QBs at age 40. Keep in mind I am not talking about guys simply playing at 40, I am talking about guys at QB still playing at a very high level at 40. Even with the protections, QBs are still going to take hits and still get injured. Rodgers missed 10 games last season and the NFC championship was a match up of back up QBs.

One thing Rodgers has in his favor and could be a factor, is that he didn't play more than a handful of real NFL snaps his first 3 seasons in the league.If I am taking the optimistic approach to Rodgers still playing at a high level at 40, I would point to that.

The realistic approach is that Rodgers probably has 2 more MVP Godgers type seasons, this season and next. Then probably 2 seasons where he's solid, but not quite at that MVP level. Considering Rodgers is 34 and will turn 35 in December, saying he has 2 more MVP reasons in him is actually being pretty optimistic.

I understand where you're coming from. Let me clarify my point - I'm not saying there's going to be a bunch of QBs playing into their 40s at an MVP level. But that's not the standard that teams are aiming at in their QBs. If you can be a top 32 QB and you want to keep playing, the most common thing that stopped you in the past was the physical toll the game took on your body. You can't entirely eliminate that toll now, but if you can lessen that risk considerably, you'll find a job in this league.

Right now, you've got Brees and Brady playing into their 40s. Philip Rivers is going to be 37 this coming season with no significant physical decline. Eli Manning is going to turn 38 this season, and though he had a disappointing 2017, that was in part due to the fact that he had no one to throw to all season and his coach was crap. Josh McCown had a solid but unspectacular season for the Jets at 38 years old.

In the past, you had Joe Montana playing until he was 38. John Elway played util he was 38. Same with Dan Marino. Warren Moon started 10 games for the Seahawks at 42.

This is going to be a trend going forward, IMO, especially for great QBs in systems that enable them to release the ball quickly.

The problem is, if they were ever MVP quality, it means you have to pay them like they will continue to play at that level. Brees contract led to years of mediocrity for N.O. after their Super Bowl.

[humanrefutation]

Let's just lock this up at this point. People can start a new trade idea thread if they want to share a proposal.