GT: Nets @ Sacramento - Thurs, 03/01/18, 10:00pm EST

[LKIRNets]

Poor execution down the stretch, nothing we haven't seen before. Our defense was not up to par last night and our turnovers in the 4th didn't help at all. Yes we are still a young team (although our vet Carroll definitely showed up late), but so are the Kings.

Fox is a rookie PG and he managed to slice through our defense at will with Koufas setting screens. I was hoping for some type of adjustment by Atkinson. Last year we were atrocious because we had slower guys like Lopez, Hamilton, Scola guarding the pnr. We've got RHJ and Allen now, Crabbe and Dinwiddie are both long defenders and nobody is ancient on this team. We let a good opportunity get away in the 4th.

The board could use a LKR breakdown of DLo's defense if he doesn't mind. I believe that's who was guarding Fox.

It's not fully on DLo's defense. Fox scored most of his points off pick and rolls or transition layups. DLo isn't a defensive standout but he's at least capable. Atkinson had Allen camping in the paint so DLo going over screens naturally let Fox play 2 on 1. Ideally you want an extra help guy coming in from the center of the court to shade on the rolling big while forcing Fox to pick and roll into the sideline.

I was going to say, we normally sacrifice the 3 for 2 point attempts. The problem wasn't Dlo's defense. It was more like not securing the rebound and careless turnovers that led to the opposition looking better than they were.

For instance between WCS and Koufus had 19 assists just on screens alone. 26% of the Kings offense was based on turnovers in regulation. 60 % were in the paint. We play a drop back the big contest type defense.

For instance Fox had 21 total points. But, while people think Dlo was the worse defender. It was actually Dinwiddie who even though Fox went 3 for 8 vs him scored 9 pts of his 21 on him while Dlo who Fox was 4 of 6 against was tagged for 8 pts.

Pretty much both Dlo and Din had a very bad game defensively. Dlo limited the drives of Fox, Dinwiddie allowed 2 3 pt. attempts and sent Fox to the line.

[LKIRNets]

The board could use a LKR breakdown of DLo's defense if he doesn't mind. I believe that's who was guarding Fox.

It's not fully on DLo's defense. Fox scored most of his points off pick and rolls or transition layups. DLo isn't a defensive standout but he's at least capable. Atkinson had Allen camping in the paint so DLo going over screens naturally let Fox play 2 on 1. Ideally you want an extra help guy coming in from the center of the court to shade on the rolling big while forcing Fox to pick and roll into the sideline.

A good defender fights over screens watch Crabbe he does it. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

wait are you trying to say DLo didn't fight over screens? b/c that's just not true.

[LKIRNets]

I can't believe we had the same exact 2 for 1 situation we did in Cleveland and we/Russell screwed it up AGAIN. I have to imagine the coaching staff went over that. That was such a bad possession. I'm still salty about it. Awful BBIQ.

Disappointed that Russell didn't adjust. This possession was even worse because Russell just dribbled the air out of the ball then forced Dinwiddie to take a prayer with 1 on the clock. No attack or movement.

Except the 2 for 1 in Cleveland was not the exact same play. That was a broken backdoor play where Jarrett Allen instead of passing it to Crabbe and going to the line, kicked it out to DLo for a SnR. And Allen rolled to the wrong angle, causing pass to go baseline instead of the post. We went over this. After that DLo was fouled 4 times and the ref didn't blow one whistle.

The play in Sacramento was inexperience. He's use to coming it down to make a play and instead cost us 2 possessions. He'll improve in those areas.

[LKIRNets]

Not surprising.

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[MrDollarBills]

Not surprising.

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imagine my shock

[Claud]

Some thoughts...

- Fro continues to impress. Obviously needs to get stronger but for a 19 year old kid he is balling.

- Our guards were a huge disappointment. I really don't like the Dlo/Dinwiddie combination. I think it's redundant and they don't compliment each other. It's either one of them has the ball for 15 secs to then just pass it out with no time left for a forced shot. Rinse and repeat. There's no synergy. Not to mention they can't stop anyone on D.

- Dlo is clutch when all he has to do is catch and shoot or catch and go but if he has the ball in the clutch it leads to ISO ball and killer turnovers. Dlo has a bad tendency to easily get trapped.

- Dinwiddie frustrates me to no end. He pounds the ball forever and then when he finally makes a move he has a wide open shot or layup but he decides to pass out with 3 secs left in the clock... wtf? Dude needs to become assertive and aggressive again. If you have a wide up layup, attack ffs and if you have a wide open mid-range jumper then take it!

-DMC as our 4 experiment needs to end. On offense it works but on defense we get crushed and on defensive rebounding we have been suffering. Time for RHJ to be inserted back into the starting up for either Dlo or Dinwiddie IMO.

-Similar to Okafor, Dlo's defense is absolutely atrocious. Gets lit up on a nightly basis. This is why I think Dlo needs to be surrounded by 4 legit defenders at all times.

- Levert similar to RHJ has games where he looks legit and others where he looks completely out of control offensivelly... similar to RHJ though you can always count on hustle and defense. Not worried about those two yet.

- Crabbe continues to show the good stuff. I think a full summer with our coaches will do him wonders. Can't wait to see what he brings next season.

- Joe Harris is a consistent as they come... very solid season and continues to impress.

If I'm Kenny I'd go with Dlo/Crabbe/DMC/RHJ/Allen and off the bench Dante/CL/Joe/Din/Webb if necessary.

[LKIRNets]

back to that 2 for 1 play last night. Kenny, from the video I'm looking at wasn't mad that we didn't get a 2 for 1. What he looked upset about was DLo turning down the high PnR. And imo he turned it down b/c he got scared that he either was going to draw a double press or too effected by the screen foul that they called on Jarrett Allen the possession before that. Either way, all signs point to inexperience which he will improve on.

[Ror1997]

Not surprising.

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Said it before and I'll say it again. The league's got the refs in their pocket, and they're protecting the Cav's pick.

[MrDollarBills]

Some thoughts...

- Fro continues to impress. Obviously needs to get stronger but for a 19 year old kid he is balling.

- Our guards were a huge disappointment. I really don't like the Dlo/Dinwiddie combination. I think it's redundant and they don't compliment each other. It's either one of them has the ball for 15 secs to then just pass it out with no time left for a forced shot. Rinse and repeat. There's no synergy. Not to mention they can't stop anyone on D.

- Dlo is clutch when all he has to do is catch and shoot or catch and go but if he has the ball in the clutch it leads to ISO ball and killer turnovers. Dlo has a bad tendency to easily get trapped.

- Dinwiddie frustrates me to no end. He pounds the ball forever and then when he finally makes a move he has a wide open shot or layup but he decides to pass out with 3 secs left in the clock... wtf? Dude needs to become assertive and aggressive again. If you have a wide up layup, attack ffs and if you have a wide open mid-range jumper then take it!

-DMC as our 4 experiment needs to end. On offense it works but on defense we get crushed and on defensive rebounding we have been suffering. Time for RHJ to be inserted back into the starting up for either Dlo or Dinwiddie IMO.

-Similar to Okafor, Dlo's defense is absolutely atrocious. Gets lit up on a nightly basis. This is why I think Dlo needs to be surrounded by 4 legit defenders at all times.

- Levert similar to RHJ has games where he looks legit and others where he looks completely out of control offensivelly... similar to RHJ though you can always count on hustle and defense. Not worried about those two yet.

- Crabbe continues to show the good stuff. I think a full summer with our coaches will do him wonders. Can't wait to see what he brings next season.

- Joe Harris is a consistent as they come... very solid season and continues to impress.

If I'm Kenny I'd go with Dlo/Crabbe/DMC/RHJ/Allen and off the bench Dante/CL/Joe/Din/Webb if necessary.

I'd actually go to Dinwiddie/Russell/Crabbe/RHJ/Allen. I prefer Russell off of the ball.

I like DMC and he has done nothing to be benched, but I really prefer RHJ playing starter minutes and I think Crabbe should be given the chance from now til April to play SF full time.

[MGrand15]

I can't believe we had the same exact 2 for 1 situation we did in Cleveland and we/Russell screwed it up AGAIN. I have to imagine the coaching staff went over that. That was such a bad possession. I'm still salty about it. Awful BBIQ.

Disappointed that Russell didn't adjust. This possession was even worse because Russell just dribbled the air out of the ball then forced Dinwiddie to take a prayer with 1 on the clock. No attack or movement.

Except the 2 for 1 in Cleveland was not the exact same play. That was a broken backdoor play where Jarrett Allen instead of passing it to Crabbe and going to the line, kicked it out to DLo for a SnR. And Allen rolled to the wrong angle, causing pass to go baseline instead of the post. We went over this. After that DLo was fouled 4 times and the ref didn't blow one whistle.

The play in Sacramento was inexperience. He's use to coming it down to make a play and instead cost us 2 possessions. He'll improve in those areas.

Did we get the 2 for 1 in Cleveland?

We were down 2 with 40 seconds. Russell didn't get a shot up until there were 20 seconds left in the game.

If you want to blame Allen for not threading the needle on a backdoor pass in crunch time, okay. I think it was a slow developing play with absolutely no 2 for 1 urgency.

This wasn't a missed shot. It was poor execution and a mental mistake. The same one just made. Back to back games.

[steady]

Some thoughts...

- Fro continues to impress. Obviously needs to get stronger but for a 19 year old kid he is balling.

- Our guards were a huge disappointment. I really don't like the Dlo/Dinwiddie combination. I think it's redundant and they don't compliment each other. It's either one of them has the ball for 15 secs to then just pass it out with no time left for a forced shot. Rinse and repeat. There's no synergy. Not to mention they can't stop anyone on D.

- Dlo is clutch when all he has to do is catch and shoot or catch and go but if he has the ball in the clutch it leads to ISO ball and killer turnovers. Dlo has a bad tendency to easily get trapped.

- Dinwiddie frustrates me to no end. He pounds the ball forever and then when he finally makes a move he has a wide open shot or layup but he decides to pass out with 3 secs left in the clock... wtf? Dude needs to become assertive and aggressive again. If you have a wide up layup, attack ffs and if you have a wide open mid-range jumper then take it!

-DMC as our 4 experiment needs to end. On offense it works but on defense we get crushed and on defensive rebounding we have been suffering. Time for RHJ to be inserted back into the starting up for either Dlo or Dinwiddie IMO.

-Similar to Okafor, Dlo's defense is absolutely atrocious. Gets lit up on a nightly basis. This is why I think Dlo needs to be surrounded by 4 legit defenders at all times.

- Levert similar to RHJ has games where he looks legit and others where he looks completely out of control offensivelly... similar to RHJ though you can always count on hustle and defense. Not worried about those two yet.

- Crabbe continues to show the good stuff. I think a full summer with our coaches will do him wonders. Can't wait to see what he brings next season.

- Joe Harris is a consistent as they come... very solid season and continues to impress.

If I'm Kenny I'd go with Dlo/Crabbe/DMC/RHJ/Allen and off the bench Dante/CL/Joe/Din/Webb if necessary.

I agree with much of what you say, but with respect to DLo and Din combination, and DLo in general, I think we need to give them a lot of latitude for now. Figuring out who is going to handle the ball in clutch situations, how to play off each other when they are both relatively ball dominant, is not easy. Plus both are young relatively inexperienced players.

;..

But regarding

DLos defense has to improve and his decision making needs to get better.

RHJ has to return to starting line up

Plus all the positive things you say about players, I agree with you about.

[MGrand15]

back to that 2 for 1 play last night. Kenny, from the video I'm looking at wasn't mad that we didn't get a 2 for 1. What he looked upset about was DLo turning down the high PnR. And imo he turned it down b/c he got scared that he either was going to draw a double press or too effected by the screen foul that they called on Jarrett Allen the possession before that. Either way, all signs point to inexperience which he will improve on.

I'd be really disappointed if an analytic driven team isn't pushing for obvious 2 for 1 situations. Those were TEXTBOOK. Like literally, if you had to draw up the perfect 2 for 1 situation, this King game was it.

[kamaze]

I can't believe we had the same exact 2 for 1 situation we did in Cleveland and we/Russell screwed it up AGAIN. I have to imagine the coaching staff went over that. That was such a bad possession. I'm still salty about it. Awful BBIQ.

Disappointed that Russell didn't adjust. This possession was even worse because Russell just dribbled the air out of the ball then forced Dinwiddie to take a prayer with 1 on the clock. No attack or movement.

Maybe he's thinking about his knees too much looks like it's mental. Serious question does the team have a sports psychologist?

[kamaze]

Lopez is not a 20 and 5 guy. We sold high on him. And stole a lotto pick talent.

Russell in this age of NBA basketball is the more useful player. Pace of system and ball distribution wise. Brook Lopez will never be a double double guy. He'll be lucky to shot above 36% which btw Dante Cunningham is doing for us in such a short time here.

He was for Brooklyn last year. Speaking of picks we traded the pick that was used for Kuzma.

To make it worse they traded a then 20 and 5 center for a guard, which is bad because they didn't have a backup center to fill his spot to go along with taking on a bad contract, trading a pick.

But that's water under the bridge it is what it is. Let's hope the owner doesn't put pressure on the front office this year.

1) Lopez was an expiring contract, and was not going to be retained. To flip him for a lottery level talent at age 21 was a genius move.

2) Jarrett Allen is a modern day mobile rim rolling/shotblocking center and is already yielding dividends. Lopez's spot has already been filled.

3) The bad contract of Mozgov is a moot point. It will be expiring in 19-20 which can used in trade deals.

4) Sean Marks is on record stating he was not going to draft Kyle Kuzma.

5) This team is already ahead of last year's pace. Brook Lopez is not even remotely missed

6) D'Angelo Russell is more talented, younger, and has a higher upside.

7) Lopez has been awful this season.

8) The owner signed off on all of these moves

A gamble is what it was.
Trading a 20 and 5 player and a first round pick for a $47 miliion dollar scrub and DLO. It was a gamble that hasn't worked out eventually you and others will realize this OR maybe you won't.

they didn't have a backup center to fill his spot

Allen was drafted bruh. Zeller was brought in Mozgov was traded for these 3 were attained in the summer...

4)Sean Marks is on record stating he was not going to draft Kyle Kuzma.

Point is Brooklyn would have drafted a good player like they did with LevErt, Allen not who LA chose. Like I said it's spilled milk, water under the bridge it's in the past let's move on.

[kamaze]

It's not fully on DLo's defense. Fox scored most of his points off pick and rolls or transition layups. DLo isn't a defensive standout but he's at least capable. Atkinson had Allen camping in the paint so DLo going over screens naturally let Fox play 2 on 1. Ideally you want an extra help guy coming in from the center of the court to shade on the rolling big while forcing Fox to pick and roll into the sideline.

A good defender fights over screens watch Crabbe he does it. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

wait are you trying to say DLo didn't fight over screens? b/c that's just not true.

Not on every play no he didn't.

[kamaze]

Some thoughts...

- Fro continues to impress. Obviously needs to get stronger but for a 19 year old kid he is balling.

- Our guards were a huge disappointment. I really don't like the Dlo/Dinwiddie combination. I think it's redundant and they don't compliment each other. It's either one of them has the ball for 15 secs to then just pass it out with no time left for a forced shot. Rinse and repeat. There's no synergy. Not to mention they can't stop anyone on D.

- Dlo is clutch when all he has to do is catch and shoot or catch and go but if he has the ball in the clutch it leads to ISO ball and killer turnovers. Dlo has a bad tendency to easily get trapped.

- Dinwiddie frustrates me to no end. He pounds the ball forever and then when he finally makes a move he has a wide open shot or layup but he decides to pass out with 3 secs left in the clock... wtf? Dude needs to become assertive and aggressive again. If you have a wide up layup, attack ffs and if you have a wide open mid-range jumper then take it!

-DMC as our 4 experiment needs to end. On offense it works but on defense we get crushed and on defensive rebounding we have been suffering. Time for RHJ to be inserted back into the starting up for either Dlo or Dinwiddie IMO.

-Similar to Okafor, Dlo's defense is absolutely atrocious. Gets lit up on a nightly basis. This is why I think Dlo needs to be surrounded by 4 legit defenders at all times.

- Levert similar to RHJ has games where he looks legit and others where he looks completely out of control offensivelly... similar to RHJ though you can always count on hustle and defense. Not worried about those two yet.

- Crabbe continues to show the good stuff. I think a full summer with our coaches will do him wonders. Can't wait to see what he brings next season.

- Joe Harris is a consistent as they come... very solid season and continues to impress.

If I'm Kenny I'd go with Dlo/Crabbe/DMC/RHJ/Allen and off the bench Dante/CL/Joe/Din/Webb if necessary.

Not sure if it's Dlo not moving without the ball enough or what but yeah Dinwiddie and him don't mesh. He's good with the catch and shoot. Yeah he does get trapped he's turnover prone.

Yeah they need Rhondae back to improve the team and individual defense for the starting lineup you can't start a bad defender and expect good defense.

Allen Crabbe is 5th in 3 pointers made in a season in Nets history he's good now.

Joe's drives to the rim now (he worked on it) he's not just a jump shooter anymore.

[SubZero]

- Dlo is clutch when all he has to do is catch and shoot or catch and go but if he has the ball in the clutch it leads to ISO ball and killer turnovers. Dlo has a bad tendency to easily get trapped.

I disagree on this.. I agree on the part that he's been nonexistent the past two games in crunch time as the main ball handler, but that said, remember that game at Portland? He executed so well in crunch time being the main ball handler and decision maker. Was so poised and looked like a maestro in the clutch picking apart the defense. I think he can get back to that type of smart decision making down the stretch of games.. it's just growing pains he going thru at the moment (I'm optimistic lol)..

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[Prokorov]

Take away a turnover or two and they win the game that's the point...

take away his 10+ assists and we lose by 23

idk about that. Maybe then Dinwiddie gets them.

Getting 10 assists is all well and good, but basketball is also a game about making timely plays. Crabbe, DMC did. DLo made timely big errors. He's gotta take some heat for that.

i guess all those late threes he hit werent timely?

[Prokorov]

I just think its frustrating to think that were only going to marginally improve from last season. Will probably finish with around 26 wins.

Had higher hopes.

i dont know.... +5 wins/20% more wins is quite an improvement especially when winning isnt even the teams goal.

to me this has been a fantastic season and far surpassed my expectations.

[Yit]

Tracking Players performance vs Kings 1 Mar 2018

DMC - 53 (+++)
Allen - 33 (+)
Crabbe - 30 (+)
DAR - 25 (=)
Dinwiddie - 22 (=)
Harris - 16 (=)
Cunningham - 13 (=)
RHJ - 8 (-)
CLV - 4 (-)

Very tough loss after OT.