The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[Sactowndog]

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

Based on what? Bogdan is a very high IQ excellent team defender on a team with horrible team defense.

I wouldn’t trade Bogdan for Jackson straight up.

No worries because there’s no way that would ever be even offered.

Bogdan is a nice player but his ceiling is so much lower than Jackson’s it isn’t funny, only a sac homer couldn’t see that. Bogdan is a good 3pt shooter but does barely anything else. He can’t get to the rim, he plays mainly off ball, has average at best defense and does nothing at a greater than average level outside of shooting 3’s at around 4 shots a game currently. He will be good player and could be an important spacing piece on a contender but realistically what do you think objectively think his ceiling is?

Your comments are so ignorant it’s hardly worth responding to. If you even bothered with a cursory view of the facts before posting you would see how wrong you are....

1) 30% of the time Bogdan is the primary ball handler on the pick and roll. Let’s compare it to Josh Jackson’s 16%.

2) he makes 6.3 drives to the basket a game compared with 5.7 drives for Josh Jackson. But because Bogi has twice the basketball IQ of Jackson he scores at a 50% conversion rate and dishes the ball 35.8% of the time for .8 assists (Kings bigs fumble a lot of great passes). Jackson has a 36.1 percentage, passes the ball only 18% of the time for .2 assists.

3) on defense he has 59 steals and 15 blocks.

So since none of your points have any basis in fact it’s clearly pointless discussing his ceiling because you have demonstrated no knowledge of Bogdans game.

[WaveTheWheat80]

Based on what? Bogdan is a very high IQ excellent team defender on a team with horrible team defense.

I wouldn’t trade Bogdan for Jackson straight up.

No worries because there’s no way that would ever be even offered.

Bogdan is a nice player but his ceiling is so much lower than Jackson’s it isn’t funny, only a sac homer couldn’t see that. Bogdan is a good 3pt shooter but does barely anything else. He can’t get to the rim, he plays mainly off ball, has average at best defense and does nothing at a greater than average level outside of shooting 3’s at around 4 shots a game currently. He will be good player and could be an important spacing piece on a contender but realistically what do you think objectively think his ceiling is?

Your comments are so ignorant it’s hardly worth responding to. If you even bothered with a cursory view of the facts before posting you would see how wrong you are....

1) 30% of the time Bogdan is the primary ball handler on the pick and roll. Let’s compare it to Josh Jackson’s 16%.

2) he makes 6.3 drives to the basket a game compared with 5.7 drives for Josh Jackson. But because Bogi has twice the basketball IQ of Jackson he scores at a 50% conversion rate and dishes the ball 35.8% of the time for .8 assists (Kings bigs fumble a lot of great passes). Jackson has a 36.1 percentage, passes the ball only 18% of the time for .2 assists.

3) on defense he has 59 steals and 15 blocks.

So since none of your points have any basis in fact it’s clearly pointless discussing his ceiling because you have demonstrated no knowledge of Bogdans game.

Jackson is better. He's been on a tear lately and can defend 1-4

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[Catchall]

Mitchell good bounce back game from Houston

26pts 10/18 4rb 2 ast. 4/5 ft vs Minnesota
27pts 7/15 5rb 5 ast. 10/10 ft vs Sac

Really nice moves and playmaking.

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[Jkam31]

Lonzo gets so much credit its mind boggling dudes the 5th best player on the team gettting most of the credit. Than again Kuzma was only good in summer league cause of Lonzo


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[Jkam31]

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

Based on what? Bogdan is a very high IQ excellent team defender on a team with horrible team defense.

I wouldn’t trade Bogdan for Jackson straight up.

No worries because there’s no way that would ever be even offered.

Bogdan is a nice player but his ceiling is so much lower than Jackson’s it isn’t funny, only a sac homer couldn’t see that. Bogdan is a good 3pt shooter but does barely anything else. He can’t get to the rim, he plays mainly off ball, has average at best defense and does nothing at a greater than average level outside of shooting 3’s at around 4 shots a game currently. He will be good player and could be an important spacing piece on a contender but realistically what do you think objectively think his ceiling is?

How embarrassing is this post, seriously next time don’t write about a player you’ve never seen play


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[Duke4life831]

No worries because there’s no way that would ever be even offered.

Bogdan is a nice player but his ceiling is so much lower than Jackson’s it isn’t funny, only a sac homer couldn’t see that. Bogdan is a good 3pt shooter but does barely anything else. He can’t get to the rim, he plays mainly off ball, has average at best defense and does nothing at a greater than average level outside of shooting 3’s at around 4 shots a game currently. He will be good player and could be an important spacing piece on a contender but realistically what do you think objectively think his ceiling is?

Your comments are so ignorant it’s hardly worth responding to. If you even bothered with a cursory view of the facts before posting you would see how wrong you are....

1) 30% of the time Bogdan is the primary ball handler on the pick and roll. Let’s compare it to Josh Jackson’s 16%.

2) he makes 6.3 drives to the basket a game compared with 5.7 drives for Josh Jackson. But because Bogi has twice the basketball IQ of Jackson he scores at a 50% conversion rate and dishes the ball 35.8% of the time for .8 assists (Kings bigs fumble a lot of great passes). Jackson has a 36.1 percentage, passes the ball only 18% of the time for .2 assists.

3) on defense he has 59 steals and 15 blocks.

So since none of your points have any basis in fact it’s clearly pointless discussing his ceiling because you have demonstrated no knowledge of Bogdans game.

Jackson is better. He's been on a tear lately and can defend 1-4

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Im a big time fan of Bogdan, I can watch that dude shoot a ball all day long and I think he is the most underrated rookie so far this year and his overall game is highly underrated as well. But there are a few things, first thing first is age. Bogdan is already 25 compared to Jackson being 21. Then there is the potential thing where Jackson takes that easily because of his age and athleticism. Jackson also has the defensive potential of being a guy that guards 1-4. I like Bogdan a lot and Im sure most winning teams if they would take one of these guys for the playoffs this year they would choose Bogdan because you know he can give you that shooting. But beyond this year, if we are talking about who would GMs choose for now plus the future, I find it hard to believe there are many if any GMs that would take Bogdan over Jackson.

[lonzo_pelota]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

[QPR]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

Still Simmons.

[ShirleyTemple]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

Simmons by far.

[longwayhome]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

Ben Simmons by the length of Australia.

[LALifer49]

Lonzo gets so much credit its mind boggling dudes the 5th best player on the team gettting most of the credit. Than again Kuzma was only good in summer league cause of Lonzo


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Probably because he's really good. And fun fact, we are 8-0 in the last 8 games he's played for us (he's missed time from injuries which is why that stat is relevant) But i think someone going 18/7/11/1/2 on 6/10 from 3 deserves a bit of credit.

I'm curious though, who are the 4 players on the Lakers more important than him?

[nurseryc]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

None of them. It’s still Ben Simmons

[theo42]

Lonzo gets so much credit its mind boggling dudes the 5th best player on the team gettting most of the credit. Than again Kuzma was only good in summer league cause of Lonzo


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I would love to know the 4 you think are better?

[Goudelock]

Read on Twitter

Make of that what you will.

[Black Mage]

Given I dumped on Lonzo when he struggled, I have to acknowledge his stellar of late. It seems the missed time from injury gave him a chance to catch his breath and refocus.

Will be fun to see how he does down the stretch. Certainly giving Lakers a lot to look forward to. Hope Sixers rookie comes back as strong from his injury absence.

[Winglish]

Donovan Mitchell with 27, 5, and 5 last night.

Historic pace- If the Jazz make the playoffs, Donovan Mitchell is on pace to be the first rookie guard since Michael Jordan to lead his team to the playoffs while scoring over 20 ppg.

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[Sactowndog]

Your comments are so ignorant it’s hardly worth responding to. If you even bothered with a cursory view of the facts before posting you would see how wrong you are....

1) 30% of the time Bogdan is the primary ball handler on the pick and roll. Let’s compare it to Josh Jackson’s 16%.

2) he makes 6.3 drives to the basket a game compared with 5.7 drives for Josh Jackson. But because Bogi has twice the basketball IQ of Jackson he scores at a 50% conversion rate and dishes the ball 35.8% of the time for .8 assists (Kings bigs fumble a lot of great passes). Jackson has a 36.1 percentage, passes the ball only 18% of the time for .2 assists.

3) on defense he has 59 steals and 15 blocks.

So since none of your points have any basis in fact it’s clearly pointless discussing his ceiling because you have demonstrated no knowledge of Bogdans game.

Jackson is better. He's been on a tear lately and can defend 1-4

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Im a big time fan of Bogdan, I can watch that dude shoot a ball all day long and I think he is the most underrated rookie so far this year and his overall game is highly underrated as well. But there are a few things, first thing first is age. Bogdan is already 25 compared to Jackson being 21. Then there is the potential thing where Jackson takes that easily because of his age and athleticism. Jackson also has the defensive potential of being a guy that guards 1-4. I like Bogdan a lot and Im sure most winning teams if they would take one of these guys for the playoffs this year they would choose Bogdan because you know he can give you that shooting. But beyond this year, if we are talking about who would GMs choose for now plus the future, I find it hard to believe there are many if any GMs that would take Bogdan over Jackson.

Your age argument on potential is valid but not relevant to a discussion of who is more worthy of an all rookie selection this year.

In terms of future potential, I think it depends on how you value BBIQ versus jump out of gym athleticism. Most non-Kings fans, who rarely watch the Kings play, think Bogdan is a shooter. He’s not. In fact, far too often Bogdan has passed up open shots this year he should have taken.

Bogi is best with the ball in his hands. His BBIQ is elite and the Kings are better when he has the ball. One of the main reasons WCS has better numbers this year is Bogdan throwing him passes at the rim. Unfortunately, WCS is the only big the Kings have who can set a good pick and roll athletically to the basket. KK, Zbo and Pappa G not athletic enough and Skal can’t set screens. Add Giles and Ayton and watch out.

Bogdan is having to adjust his definition of a good shot. In the beginning of the season, far to often, he would come around the screen and not shoot the ball. He is starting to take and make that shot when the opposing big doesn’t show. That will make his pick and roll even more deadly.

So no I wouldn’t take Jackson over Bogi despite his age because I think Bogi will be one of the elite pick and roll guards in this league for a long time. Add players like Giles to this team with high IQs and watch out what he does.

[Jkam31]

Jackson is better. He's been on a tear lately and can defend 1-4

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Im a big time fan of Bogdan, I can watch that dude shoot a ball all day long and I think he is the most underrated rookie so far this year and his overall game is highly underrated as well. But there are a few things, first thing first is age. Bogdan is already 25 compared to Jackson being 21. Then there is the potential thing where Jackson takes that easily because of his age and athleticism. Jackson also has the defensive potential of being a guy that guards 1-4. I like Bogdan a lot and Im sure most winning teams if they would take one of these guys for the playoffs this year they would choose Bogdan because you know he can give you that shooting. But beyond this year, if we are talking about who would GMs choose for now plus the future, I find it hard to believe there are many if any GMs that would take Bogdan over Jackson.

Your age argument on potential is valid but not relevant to a discussion of who is more worthy of an all rookie selection this year.

In terms of future potential, I think it depends on how you value BBIQ versus jump out of gym athleticism. Most non-Kings fans, who rarely watch the Kings play, think Bogdan is a shooter. He’s not. In fact, far too often Bogdan has passed up open shots this year he should have taken.

Bogi is best with the ball in his hands. His BBIQ is elite and the Kings are better when he has the ball. One of the main reasons WCS has better numbers this year is Bogdan throwing him passes at the rim. Unfortunately, WCS is the only big the Kings have who can set a good pick and roll athletically to the basket. KK, Zbo and Pappa G not athletic enough and Skal can’t set screens. Add Giles and Ayton and watch out.

Bogdan is having to adjust his definition of a good shot. In the beginning of the season, far to often, he would come around the screen and not shoot the ball. He is starting to take and make that shot when the opposing big doesn’t show. That will make his pick and roll even more deadly.

So no I wouldn’t take Jackson over Bogi despite his age because I think Bogi will be one of the elite pick and roll guards in this league for a long time. Add players like Giles to this team with high IQs and watch out what he does.

PREACH!!!


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[Jkam31]

Lonzo gets so much credit its mind boggling dudes the 5th best player on the team gettting most of the credit. Than again Kuzma was only good in summer league cause of Lonzo


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I would love to know the 4 you think are better?

Lonzo gets so much credit its mind boggling dudes the 5th best player on the team gettting most of the credit. Than again Kuzma was only good in summer league cause of Lonzo


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Probably because he's really good. And fun fact, we are 8-0 in the last 8 games he's played for us (he's missed time from injuries which is why that stat is relevant) But i think someone going 18/7/11/1/2 on 6/10 from 3 deserves a bit of credit.

I'm curious though, who are the 4 players on the Lakers more important than him?

Btw I’m not saying he’s not good

Actually just Kuzma, Randle, and KCP I don’t know what’s gotten into Randle


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[bebopdeluxe]

thus far who's the defensive Rookie of the year....is it Jarrett Allen? is it Zo? is it JosH Jackson?

Is this a serious question?

Simmons in the top 5 in the NBA in DPBM and DWS. In the ENTIRE NBA.

Dude should legit get All-Defensive Team votes. As the comment above points out, it is one of the things about Simmons is ALWAYS overlooked in the ROY discussion. Dude stuffs the stat sheet...runs the point on one of the hottest teams in the NBA and is an elite defender.

It is a damn shame that the dude DOESN’T GET POINTZ!!!