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Darth Celtic wrote:Iguodaladon wrote:That last turnover by Kyrie late in the 4th that led to the Rox taking the lead absolutely killed us. Overall, a very impressive game by all our guys (apart from Horford)- Monroe was pivotal in that game, finishing up close and even making nice plays from the top of the key. His defence was pretty solid too.
I feel if we played Moose down the stretch over Horford, we win eays.
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Darth Celtic wrote:Iguodaladon wrote:That last turnover by Kyrie late in the 4th that led to the Rox taking the lead absolutely killed us. Overall, a very impressive game by all our guys (apart from Horford)- Monroe was pivotal in that game, finishing up close and even making nice plays from the top of the key. His defence was pretty solid too.
I feel if we played Moose down the stretch over Horford, we win eays.
Hate to say it but i agree
chrisab123 wrote:Resigning Monroe to the max allowed (I think It’s like 6.2 million or something) and trading Al might be the best move for all involved. Celtics win last night if he sat
CelticsPride18 wrote:chrisab123 wrote:Resigning Monroe to the max allowed (I think It’s like 6.2 million or something) and trading Al might be the best move for all involved. Celtics win last night if he sat
Sure if you want the team to regress we can do that.
chrisab123 wrote:CelticsPride18 wrote:chrisab123 wrote:Resigning Monroe to the max allowed (I think It’s like 6.2 million or something) and trading Al might be the best move for all involved. Celtics win last night if he sat
Sure if you want the team to regress we can do that.
So trading Al’s salary to match up for an AD deal makes the team regress? I like Al and all but it’s getting tiring to see him struggle against elite teams. Monroe at whatever number is a steal. He seems to be working out on the 2nd unit.
GoCeltics123 wrote:FormerNBAScout wrote:You guys proved you are the best team in the East. That may have been a finals preview.
I mean didn't the Raps beat them in Houston?
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xtruroyaltyx wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:FormerNBAScout wrote:You guys proved you are the best team in the East. That may have been a finals preview.
I mean didn't the Raps beat them in Houston?
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Without cp3.
CelticsPride18 wrote:LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Darth Celtic wrote:
I feel if we played Moose down the stretch over Horford, we win eays.
Hate to say it but i agree
I don’t think Monroe has that type of conditioning right now.
ballup wrote:I only saw highlights, but from what I've seen, Smart is pivotal to bring out the best in Monroe. Smart is the only guard on the Cs capable of making post entry lobs and that's extremely difficult for a opposing bench to defend.
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GrandTheftRondo wrote:CelticTillDeath wrote:The more I think about this loss and the play of both of our all stars, the more I think this thread should be an ass of shame thread.
Kyrie and horford were absolutely putrid in all areas tonight. I stand by this being Kyries worst game as a Celtic. Terrible shooting percentages, some DUMB turnovers, complete lack of defense, missed the game icing lay up, and the complete debacle where he couldn’t miss one free throw in two separate tries. Just a terrible game. This loss is on his shoulders with horford not too far behind.
There goes the 1 seed. 3 back in the loss column now, and the raptors are on one hell of a stretch with an easy schedule to close out their last 20 games.
Ass of shame? Are you kidding me?
We were playing the second best team in the league on the road, with them having won 14 straight.
Losing at the end like that sucked, but I didn’t expect us to even be in a position to win to be honest.
Green89 wrote:Wes-J wrote:Green89 wrote:
It’s like hitting a home run early in the game, but striking out in the 9th inning with runner’s on base and you lose. Big freaking deal you play well early, because it’s how you finish the game that matters. Smart always seems to come up lame in the end. And I stand corrected from an earlier post. He didn’t take that unnecessary, contested shot with under two minutes to go, it was with 2:34 to go. Either way, it was a **** time for him to become Mr. Hero Smart with the ball. Didn’t even look to pass there. I don’t care how well he played earlier in the game, he sucked with the game on the line.
I’ll take the far more efficient Tatum getting 12 shots a game and let Smart take only 6, any game, any night. Tatum’s the more efficient shooter and Smart has no business taking a dozen shots in any Celtics game. He’s not that good an offensive player to be taking that many shots away from better shooters. Thought he had turned a corner by not chucking shots, especially late in games, and staying under 10 shots per game in his first 4 back from injury. I guess I was wrong. He hasn’t.
Tatum wet the bed after a promising start. Stevens couldn't even trust him down the stretch late.
Without Smart the game is not within reach. Worst "my" stat of the night I've seen in some time. A lot of things went wrong down the stretch but you're picking on Smart of all people. Who's overanalyzing now??
Smart had two critical mistakes down the stretch that contributed to this loss. We also have a much higher winning percentage in games where Smart keeps his field goals under 10. I didn’t see anything at the end of the game where Tatum helped contribute to the loss. Late in this game, Smart took a contested 13-footer where his miss led to Harden layup at the other end. Our 113-110 lead went down to 113-112 at the 2:30 mark.
That was an unnecessary shot that Marcus didn’t need to take, and I was pointing out he took too many in that game. 11 is too many shots for him. Especially when used an ill advised one to help choke away the game. Especially when he’s had problems all year taking shots he has no business taking. Especially when he didn’t do any of that in his first 4 games after the break. All valid criticism. If you think the worst shooter on our team deserves double digit shot attempts per game, and our young rookie who’s at the top of the league in 3pt fg% should take half of what Smart takes per game, I can’t help you.
CelticTillDeath wrote:bucknersrevenge wrote: LOL!!! Priceless.
This is the los that comes back. Not any of the previous 19, THIS ONE. Not any loss we may have after it. But this one kills us.
What about the any of the 4 wins before it? No chance any of those could've been the win that saves our bacon in the future?? There's a certain segment of fans incapable of seeing further than the 5 minutes in front of their face. It's an 82 game season. Losses happen. Even losses where you give a game a way are balanced by those games you won but really shouldn't have and we've done quite a bit of that this year. Sure we're 44-20. How many times does Brad have to say that we're probably not as good as the # of wins we have before you believe him? But I get it. You need the soapbox, I mean ledge, so take the ledge. Jump off if this incredibily debilitating loss was too much. If this game was bad for you, I don't recommend watching the final 18 games. This will probably happen again at some point and I fear your heart may not be able to handle it.
What the hell are you talking about? This loss is a loss that should have been a win. Those kind of games come back to rear their ugly head when it comes time for seeding going into the playoffs. This isn’t the only game that falls in this category. The lakers loss comes to mind as another off the top of my head. I’m sure if I go back to jog my memory, there’s a couple others just like those losses. Losses that shouldn’t have happened when you consider how that particular game played out, absolutely can come back to haunt teams that are jockeying for position. Tonight was one of those kinds of bad losses.
There’s no ledge. No one is jumping. I’m critiquing a team in a post game thread for pooping their pants down the stretch of a game, which ended up being the difference from winning to losing. Our stars, particularly Kyrie, played awful tonight. Giving the raptors a 3 game cushion with 18 games left, and with them having one of the easier schedules remaining, is absolutely going to make getting the one seed a whole lot tougher. This is all I’m saying.
I have no clue what your trying to say though. I can’t see five minutes in front of my face? All I’ve done is talk about the game I just watched, in a thread where that’s what we do, We talk about the game. We talk about how this game can effect things going forward. When you lose a game that you clearly should have won, that’s a talking point. This now can become a game that when we look back, could have cost us a certain spot in seeding, because this game should have been a W.
You win some and you lose some. No one is denying that. All I’m saying is, this one is one we shouldn’t have lost, and the ramifications could be costly. If you call that analysis “jumping off the edge” or “overreactionary”, then that’s on you. I’m just talking about what I saw.
truth18 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:CelticTillDeath wrote:The more I think about this loss and the play of both of our all stars, the more I think this thread should be an ass of shame thread.
Kyrie and horford were absolutely putrid in all areas tonight. I stand by this being Kyries worst game as a Celtic. Terrible shooting percentages, some DUMB turnovers, complete lack of defense, missed the game icing lay up, and the complete debacle where he couldn’t miss one free throw in two separate tries. Just a terrible game. This loss is on his shoulders with horford not too far behind.
There goes the 1 seed. 3 back in the loss column now, and the raptors are on one hell of a stretch with an easy schedule to close out their last 20 games.
Ass of shame? Are you kidding me?
We were playing the second best team in the league on the road, with them having won 14 straight.
Losing at the end like that sucked, but I didn’t expect us to even be in a position to win to be honest.
Yeah, no way this should be an ass, lol.
CelticTillDeath wrote:truth18 wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Ass of shame? Are you kidding me?
We were playing the second best team in the league on the road, with them having won 14 straight.
Losing at the end like that sucked, but I didn’t expect us to even be in a position to win to be honest.
Yeah, no way this should be an ass, lol.
This is where we just have a difference of opinion. I don’t do the whole “moral victory” thing because we played them so tough for 46 minutes and damn near led throughout that whole time frame. I look at the game in its totality. I put more onus on how teams play and close out during crunch time of a close game against a great team, then I do with how they play for the first 46 minutes. Last night, the Celtics choked away what would have been the best win of the season, by allowing Houston to go on a 12-2 run to close out the game.
For the most part, the team played fantastic, but only for 46 minutes. Those last two minutes were “pre-allstar break losing streak” bad. Kyrie had a missed lay up, two turnovers, gave up a transition layup off his own missed lay up, gave up a transition 3 off his turnover, and he couldn’t even properly miss a free throw on two separate tries. To give away the best win of the season because of those kind of mental lapses in crunch time, to me that deserves an ass of shame. Especially if you consider the fact that the whole night was like that for Kyrie. He shot a mere 6-17 from the floor and had 4 turnovers. He couldn’t stop a nose bleed on defense either.
Al was just as bad, so I’m not letting him off the hook either. There were far too many times he was just standing there and watching a rocket player get an offensive rebound for a put back lay up. It was embarrassing. Then there was the play where horford got the loose ball, and instead of calling a timeout and just holding on for a jump ball, he throws it right to a rocket player which led to more transition points. Kyrie and Al we’re a -18 and -22 respectively. That cost us the biggest win of the season. These guys need to be held more accountable and to higher standards. They can’t play like this in big games. I’d give them both an AOS vote.