2018 Draft Thread #6

[Red Larrivee]

The failed tank of this season will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years unless Anthony Davis magically decides to come home or that 8-10 pick is much better than predicted. The current ceiling of this group with a player in the 8-10 range looks like a perennial 5-6 seed at best.

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself. You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

Some guys seem like a surer thing than others. I find it hard to believe Ayton is gonna bust in the league

I don't think Ayton will be a bust, but will he be a franchise changing talent? That's the popular qualification in these threads.

Take a look at the 2014 Draft, which was one of the most hyped classes of recent memory:

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Gordon
5. Exum
6. Smart
7. Randle
8. Stauskas
9. Vonleh
10. Payton
11. McDermott
12. Saric
13. LaVine
14. Warren

The Top 2 players aren't franchise players, but they're good players. Embiid is a franchise talent, but his durability is a huge question mark. After that, there's really nothing in terms of moving the needle individually. And again, this class was hyped to the heavens. It was compared to the 2003 class.

People just need to keep these things in mind.

[TheSuzerain]

The failed tank of this season will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years unless Anthony Davis magically decides to come home or that 8-10 pick is much better than predicted. The current ceiling of this group with a player in the 8-10 range looks like a perennial 5-6 seed at best.

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself. You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

And yet #1 picks have by far the best hit rate in terms of landing an all star or HOFer.

Good luck indeed.

[RememberLu]

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself. You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

Some guys seem like a surer thing than others. I find it hard to believe Ayton is gonna bust in the league

I don't think Ayton will be a bust, but will he be a franchise changing talent? That's the popular qualification in these threads.

Take a look at the 2014 Draft, which was one of the most hyped classes of recent memory:

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Gordon
5. Exum
6. Smart
7. Randle
8. Stauskas
9. Vonleh
10. Payton
11. McDermott
12. Saric
13. LaVine
14. Warren

The Top 2 players aren't franchise players, but they're good players. Embiid is a franchise talent, but his durability is a huge question mark. After that, there's really nothing in terms of moving the needle individually. And again, this class was hyped to the heavens. It was compared to the 2003 class.

People just need to keep these things in mind.

Yep. There's always a strange gambler's optimism phenomenon with draft picks. Everyone wants to think the next Durant, Steph Curry or Kawhi Leonard are around the next corner

[Red Larrivee]

The failed tank of this season will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years unless Anthony Davis magically decides to come home or that 8-10 pick is much better than predicted. The current ceiling of this group with a player in the 8-10 range looks like a perennial 5-6 seed at best.

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself. You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

And yet #1 picks have by far the best hit rate in terms of landing an all star or HOFer.

Good luck indeed.

Most of, if not all the #1 picks that became HOF'ers were obvious from jump: Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, etc.

Every draft isn't created equally. The #1 pick in this class is purely subjective; the #1 pick in 2003 is a no brainer.


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[TheSuzerain]

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself. You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

And yet #1 picks have by far the best hit rate in terms of landing an all star or HOFer.

Good luck indeed.

Most of, if not all the #1 picks that became HOF'ers were obvious from jump: Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, etc.

Every draft isn't created equally. The #1 pick in this class is purely subjective; the #1 pick in 2003 is a no brainer.


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Since 2000, over 60% of first overall picks have made an all star game. And that even excludes Ben Simmons.

The #1 overall pick is easily the best pick to have in the draft. Stop obfuscating that with your bull ****.

[Red Larrivee]

And yet #1 picks have by far the best hit rate in terms of landing an all star or HOFer.

Good luck indeed.

Most of, if not all the #1 picks that became HOF'ers were obvious from jump: Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, etc.

Every draft isn't created equally. The #1 pick in this class is purely subjective; the #1 pick in 2003 is a no brainer.


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Since 2000, over 60% of first overall picks have made an all star game. And that even excludes Ben Simmons.

The #1 overall pick is easily the best pick to have in the draft. Stop obfuscating that with your bull ****.

How many of those players are franchise changing talents? That's the question.

Save the condescending bull for somebody else. I'm not the one.


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[Leslie Forman]

Take a look at the 2014 Draft, which was one of the most hyped classes of recent memory:

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Gordon
5. Exum
6. Smart
7. Randle
8. Stauskas
9. Vonleh
10. Payton
11. McDermott
12. Saric
13. LaVine
14. Warren

The Top 2 players aren't franchise players, but they're good players. Embiid is a franchise talent, but his durability is a huge question mark. After that, there's really nothing in terms of moving the needle individually. And again, this class was hyped to the heavens. It was compared to the 2003 class.

People just need to keep these things in mind.

Not really sure how this proves crap seeing as how the 1-4 picks as a whole (which the Bulls would have been guaranteed of if they had the worst record) are easily better than the 5-8 picks (which the Bulls might be stuck in now).

higher pick > lower pick

This is an irrefutable fact. Maybe the #27 pick in some random year is the greatest player in the history of basketball, so what. Nobody in their right mind would take that over a #3 pick just because drafts are just so wild n' wacky.

[Red Larrivee]

Take a look at the 2014 Draft, which was one of the most hyped classes of recent memory:

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Gordon
5. Exum
6. Smart
7. Randle
8. Stauskas
9. Vonleh
10. Payton
11. McDermott
12. Saric
13. LaVine
14. Warren

The Top 2 players aren't franchise players, but they're good players. Embiid is a franchise talent, but his durability is a huge question mark. After that, there's really nothing in terms of moving the needle individually. And again, this class was hyped to the heavens. It was compared to the 2003 class.

People just need to keep these things in mind.

Not really sure how this proves crap seeing as how the 1-4 picks as a whole (which the Bulls would have been guaranteed of if they had the worst record) are easily better than the 5-8 picks (which the Bulls might be stuck in now).

higher pick > lower pick

This is an irrefutable fact. Maybe the #27 pick in some random year is the greatest player in the history of basketball, so what. Nobody in their right mind would take that over a #3 pick just because drafts are just so wild n' wacky.

I'm not arguing for a lower pick over a higher pick. I said that picking the franchise player from a group of seven similarly talented players offers different value than a draft where there is a clear cut no-brainer selection.

If Jaren Jackson Jr. goes #1 overall, are you going to argue that he has a better chance of becoming a franchise-changing talent than the field?

[Leslie Forman]

I'm not arguing for a lower pick over a higher pick. I said that picking the franchise player from a group of seven similarly talented players offers different value than a draft where there is a clear cut no-brainer selection.

They're not "similarly" talented. You only think they are because you, and the rest of us, have no clue. By the time the draft happens there will be some sort of established hierarchy, there always is. Of course none of us dumb nobodies will still actually have any clue.

If Jaren Jackson Jr. goes #1 overall, are you going to argue that he has a better chance of becoming a franchise-changing talent than the field?

That's a stupid strawman. Nobody gets to take "the field."

[Red Larrivee]

They're not "similarly" talented. You only think they are because you, and the rest of us, have no clue. By the time the draft happens there will be some sort of established hierarchy, there always is. Of course none of us dumb nobodies will still actually have any clue.

And that hierachy is likely going to be determined by subjectivity and not popular opinion. March Madness starts in a week and you can find plenty of different opinions on who the top choice is right now from trusted writers.

Every draft where there's been a no-doubt top selection, that pick was known well in advance of the draft. You didn't have to wait for the draft process to start to know that Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin was the #1 pick.

That's a stupid strawman. Nobody gets to take "the field."

My point is that whoever goes #1 in this draft isn't going #1 because they're clearly the best prospect available. It's likely subjective. Because of that, the franchise player of this draft is anyone's guess.

[thedarkstark]

Sacto and ATL win. Based god Skal Labissiere hits a 3 at the buzzer to win it for Sacto. Brooklyn blows it in the final minutes.

[Dresden]

They're not "similarly" talented. You only think they are because you, and the rest of us, have no clue. By the time the draft happens there will be some sort of established hierarchy, there always is. Of course none of us dumb nobodies will still actually have any clue.

And that hierachy is likely going to be determined by subjectivity and not popular opinion. March Madness starts in a week and you can find plenty of different opinions on who the top choice is right now from trusted writers.

Every draft where there's been a no-doubt top selection, that pick was known well in advance of the draft. You didn't have to wait for the draft process to start to know that Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin was the #1 pick.

That's a stupid strawman. Nobody gets to take "the field."

My point is that whoever goes #1 in this draft isn't going #1 because they're clearly the best prospect available. It's likely subjective. Because of that, the franchise player of this draft is anyone's guess.

You could argue, though, that this is because there are many players in this draft who are worthy of a #1 pick. Or that 3 or 4 players in this draft would have gone #1 had they been in the last draft.

But overall, I agree, there is no clearcut #1 because they all have some flaws. It's just a matter of guessing who will overcome those flaws, or who will be great in spite of them.

[biggestbullsfan]

Brooklyn has that game won

[thedarkstark]

Brooklyn has that game won

Worst part is that they're not even tanking, they just suck that much. I'm ready for Cleveland to be gifted another #1 pick to keep Lebron around

[Thebullsgod1993]

We're 1 game away from the 4th pick I really like Michael Porter JR but if we somehow do end up with 8th or 9h I like Wendall Carter Jr than Mikal

[navdeep_singh]

I think the way the draft is now hyped, it’s sort of like buying a new car or a very nice musical instrument. The value Plummets by half as soon as you walk out the door .

But since every team has gear acquisition syndrome (GAS) , it’s a continual attempt to parlay your used junk for draft picks.

[Leslie Forman]

My point is that whoever goes #1 in this draft isn't going #1 because they're clearly the best prospect available. It's likely subjective. Because of that, the franchise player of this draft is anyone's guess.

And the higher you pick, the more prospects you get to choose from, which gives you a higher chance of hitting on that pick.

I don't what the hell the hell your argument is, if it's that basically getting a 2-7 in poker is just like getting a pair of aces because you don't actually know what's going to happen, that's just dumb.

You tell this fanbase that the goal of ditching Jimmy Butler is to suck just enough to get the #7 pick or something and they are absolutely furious.

[TankForAyton]

The failed tank of this season will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years unless Anthony Davis magically decides to come home or that 8-10 pick is much better than predicted. The current ceiling of this group with a player in the 8-10 range looks like a perennial 5-6 seed at best.

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself.You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

While making a completely flawed and ignorant explanation for 1.5 pages. Cute.

Whoever wins the lottery is not going to ‘guess’ at anything.. they’re going to project Ayton for what he is and that is an elite prospect.

[wonderboy2]

The failed tank of this season will haunt this franchise for the next 10 years unless Anthony Davis magically decides to come home or that 8-10 pick is much better than predicted. The current ceiling of this group with a player in the 8-10 range looks like a perennial 5-6 seed at best.

Some of you need to go back to past drafts and educate yourself.You're acting like every player in the Top 6 or whatever is going to become some franchise-altering talent.

Whoever wins the lottery is going to have to correctly guess the franchise player out of a group of 6-7 popular names. Good luck.

While making a completely flawed and ignorant explanation for 1.5 pages. Cute.

Whoever wins the lottery is not going to ‘guess’ at anything.. they’re going to project Ayton for what he is and that is an elite prospect.

I agree with you that Ayton is ELITE. He has been my number 1 prospect the whole year. But Redd has a good point. If we fail to get number1 this is not a failed tank. There are a potential 5-6 guys that can be huge contributors to changing a franchise around. There’s also a lot of players in this draft that you can plug in that can help you rebuild.

[thedarkstark]

By the logic that some people here use we might as well just pick 9th to save money. Since you know, seeing how the draft is such a crapshoot? Why pay a higher salary for a rookie who may or may not be better than people picked after him? I mean it's not like the Bulls have people on their staff making millions of dollars to scout and project talent, it's just a giant roll of the dice!

Actually, Jimmy Butler is like a top 5 all-time Chicago Bull and he was taken 30th so lets just trade our pick for the 30th to REALLY maximize value!