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Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold?

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#61 » by cloverleaf » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:48 am

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in terms of his role, yes. But let's not forget how good of a scorer Barbosa was. During his prime he averaged 13, 14.5, 18, 15.5 per game during a 4 year stretch.


His best years were in the DAntoni-Nash system... Rozier would do work in that system.


Rozier doesn't finish well enough to turn that end-to-end speed into a weapon like Barbosa did.

I like Terry as a 4th guard. He brings energy to the game at both ends of the floor and he can play both guard spots. I don't think he'll ever be skilled enough to be a classic 6th man, but he's versatile and tenacious which are fitting traits for a bench player.


TRo is still just figuring that part of his game out. He made .355, .469, and .510 of his shots from 0-3' so far in each of his first three seasons. He's so athletic, he works so hard, and he is still so just getting relaxed and comfortable out there that it wouldn't surprise me if he's up to .600 from that distance by next year and maybe to average out the remaining years of his career. (Leandro was a career .620.) But TRo is on track to be a more complete player overall.

Already his TS% is up to .553 so far in February, as he's got more playing time and some opportunities to start, and notably on the year his TS% is .533 in C's wins, but .475 in C's losses. (He is more key to the team than is realized! :D )
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#62 » by philing00 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:09 am

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philing00 wrote:Guy always keeps the ball on pick and roll even when our big is open and heading towards the basket. Only passes the ball when he is not open after a few iso moves and needs to be bailed out. If he wasn’t shooting well, he’d be the first to lose his spot.


I think that's in a players DNA and harder to improve than most other basketball skills. Terry has the tunnel vision for sure.


How hard is it to pass the ball to the roller when you see the opposing big coming at you? Is that what practice is for? He must have the lowest IQ on the team.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#63 » by cloverleaf » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:00 pm

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philing00 wrote:Guy always keeps the ball on pick and roll even when our big is open and heading towards the basket. Only passes the ball when he is not open after a few iso moves and needs to be bailed out. If he wasn’t shooting well, he’d be the first to lose his spot.


I think that's in a players DNA and harder to improve than most other basketball skills. Terry has the tunnel vision for sure.


How hard is it to pass the ball to the roller when you see the opposing big coming at you? Is that what practice is for? He must have the lowest IQ on the team.


It's basketball. He's working hard and getting experience even if not tops in BBIQ. That means it will likely come to him with time, so he still has room to grow.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#64 » by ric munchn » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:55 pm

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I think that's in a players DNA and harder to improve than most other basketball skills. Terry has the tunnel vision for sure.


How hard is it to pass the ball to the roller when you see the opposing big coming at you? Is that what practice is for? He must have the lowest IQ on the team.


It's basketball. He's working hard and getting experience even if not tops in BBIQ. That means it will likely come to him with time, so he still has room to grow.


It’s not nearly as easy as you would think at game speed I’m sure. The difference between getting to the rim for a layup and running into a brick wall is like a millisecond. Some guys just never get it. He can improve as he already has some what. How much is the question. He is a legit nba player that’s for sure.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#65 » by cloverleaf » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:26 pm

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How hard is it to pass the ball to the roller when you see the opposing big coming at you? Is that what practice is for? He must have the lowest IQ on the team.


It's basketball. He's working hard and getting experience even if not tops in BBIQ. That means it will likely come to him with time, so he still has room to grow.


It’s not nearly as easy as you would think at game speed I’m sure. The difference between getting to the rim for a layup and running into a brick wall is like a millisecond. Some guys just never get it. He can improve as he already has some what. How much is the question. He is a legit nba player that’s for sure.


Especially considering his game speed. How many PGs are expected to be major rebounders, very top-tier defenders, run a team and score from every inch of the floor? That level of tasking I'm sure contributes to his taking more in-game experience to put it all together.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#66 » by Parliament10 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:13 am

ric munchn wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
philing00 wrote:
How hard is it to pass the ball to the roller when you see the opposing big coming at you? Is that what practice is for? He must have the lowest IQ on the team.


It's basketball. He's working hard and getting experience even if not tops in BBIQ. That means it will likely come to him with time, so he still has room to grow.


It’s not nearly as easy as you would think at game speed I’m sure. The difference between getting to the rim for a layup and running into a brick wall is like a millisecond. Some guys just never get it. He can improve as he already has some what. How much is the question. He is a legit nba player that’s for sure.

Rozier has legit made himself a good 6th-man type.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#68 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 3:13 pm

In that same time span Horford has averaged like 4 points lol
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#69 » by Dave_From_NB » Sat Mar 3, 2018 4:19 pm

I think 10-12 games is too short a window for knowing if he has broken out, lots of guys go hot and then cold with 3 pointers, perhaps a nagging injury which knocks the 3 point conversion down. However it can't be denied that he has improved in pretty much every offensive category on a year to year basis.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#70 » by Theocy » Sat Mar 3, 2018 4:28 pm

Can he have an Oladipo breakout season next year?
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#71 » by ric munchn » Mon Mar 5, 2018 3:52 pm

That's 13 in a row in double figures with really only 1 bad game in that stretch with several really good ones. Glad we have him on the roster for another year.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#72 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:03 pm

Terry Rozier has turned himself into a very valuable trade commodity.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#73 » by ric munchn » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:19 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Terry Rozier has turned himself into a very valuable trade commodity.


That too
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#74 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:28 pm

Rozier has had an excellent year. Look forward to him getting even better next year.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#75 » by cloverleaf » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Rozier has had an excellent year. Look forward to him getting even better next year.


Yep--he could easily be a key component by the playoffs a year from now--which is when the C's next have hope to contend anyway.

I think his speed has made it more challenging for him than for slower players, because he has less time to react to and shift his movement within the game. A lumbering ol' Marcus Smart gets more time to process his moves.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#76 » by 3pt % » Tue Mar 6, 2018 11:47 pm

He's finishing those drives now, and hitting the 3 when given space. He's now hit the point where I don't yell at the screen when he is shooting or driving..mostly.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#77 » by GreenBloodedC » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:02 am

Theocy wrote:Can he have an Oladipo breakout season next year?

It won't happen because he will never be the focal point of our offense, and that's okay because we have Kyrie and he will never be good as him.

But it would suck a little if once we trade him, he'll have a breakout season.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#78 » by SuperDeluxe » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:25 am

I don't cringe anymore when he comes in. That's good enough for me for now.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#79 » by Wes-J » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:42 am

SuperDeluxe wrote:I don't cringe anymore when he comes in. That's good enough for me for now.


Same.

I've come around a bit on Roz. Hated the draft selection at the time. Never going to be a legit starting caliber guard but if he could carve out a niche as a dynamic scoring 6th man type then that more than justifies the draft selection.
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Re: Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold? 

Post#80 » by ddb » Wed Mar 7, 2018 4:13 am

Rozier is legit. Under contract next season so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon

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