Celtics 120 @ Rockets 123 Post-game Notes (44-20)

[Bar Fight]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

[Curmudgeon]

I'll ask again: where was Daniel Theis?

Injuried like the last game, no? Not having Theis in the game was not an issue at all in this game.

I do not agree. They gave up 123 points in regulation, including quite a few points in the paint. Horford was -22 and Baynes was -9. I would have liked to see stretches with both Monroe and Theis in the game.

[celtics792244]

Little tidbit... Danny Ainge ' s final pro point was in 1995 WCF game 7 against Houston. It came in a free throw that he needed to miss. Just like Kyrie, it banked in.
I don't get why they don't throw the ball at the rim baseball style or a super high rainbow with long rebound potential in those situations.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Thought we played well.. Bench was phenomenal.. Glad to see Monroe clicking.. That Kyrie layup that rimmed out was a really crucial play.. Tatum played well outside of scoring.. Solid playmaking by him.. Horford has really looked slow and awful for a couple weeks now.. Theis would have helped but glad he sat this one out..

[CelticTillDeath]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

[CelticsPride18]

I'll ask again: where was Daniel Theis?

Injuried like the last game, no? Not having Theis in the game was not an issue at all in this game.

I do not agree. They gave up 123 points in regulation, including quite a few points in the paint. Horford was -22 and Baynes was -9. I would have liked to see stretches with both Monroe and Theis in the game.

32 point in the paint for the Rockets. That’s not a lot.

[return2glory]

I'll ask again: where was Daniel Theis?

Injuried like the last game, no? Not having Theis in the game was not an issue at all in this game.

I do not agree. They gave up 123 points in regulation, including quite a few points in the paint. Horford was -22 and Baynes was -9. I would have liked to see stretches with both Monroe and Theis in the game.

I like to see Theis and Monroe playing at the same time myself. I think Brad will explore that soon. Especially when Horford keeps having off nights like he has been lately.

[bucknersrevenge]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

You mistake being upset with a loss and fear of perceived ramifications of one loss. Not the same thing. Now back to our regularly scheduled aneurysm.

[KumaJG]

First of all, he was a big reason we were still in the game until the end. Our bench was great across the board and he was a major reason that the likely MVP was held down to less than ordinary status. No biggie, right?

Contrast with Tatum, who did jack and **** all night once again.

To try to blame Smart while absolving Tatum, you have to be stupid AND dishonest. Goes for anyone defending that point as well.

A rookie gave you 12pts 4rbs 3assist, but you claim did jack **** all night? You always go into mode complete agenda/stan mode with Smart and have the nerve to call someone in stupid and dishonest? Have at it, just leave me out of it from now.

You are calling me out for being a stan despite being the one with the bias. Smart was objectively much better than Tatum last night. Why are you even trying to argue that? More than happy to leave you out of it if you aren’t calling me out with a stupid opinion.

Both had solid games. One obviously played in the 4th quarter and was bad during that period. Apparently that hard admit for you, who is a KNOWN stan of Smart on this board, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a nice day dogg.

[Captain_Caveman]

A rookie gave you 12pts 4rbs 3assist, but you claim did jack **** all night? You always go into mode complete agenda/stan mode with Smart and have the nerve to call someone in stupid and dishonest? Have at it, just leave me out of it from now.

You are calling me out for being a stan despite being the one with the bias. Smart was objectively much better than Tatum last night. Why are you even trying to argue that? More than happy to leave you out of it if you aren’t calling me out with a stupid opinion.

Both had solid games. One obviously played in the 4th quarter and was bad during that period. Apparently that hard admit for you, who is a KNOWN stan of Smart on this board, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a nice day dogg.

Thing is, I am not even that big on Smart. Combo guards are replaceable. But hating on a guy who leaves it all out there is just gross. We saw this team without him, and it was weak. Still sucked on offense, but with no heart on defense.

I didn't choose having to educate know-nothings about winning basketball... or maybe I did. I started an account here just because I was in shock that the place was overwhelmingly opposed to trading Al Jefferson for KG. Never hated on Rondo or Pierce, unlike many of you, and never hyped up guys like Jeff Green or David Lee, unlike many of you. And never though they were a one-man team with IT.

This year, despite exceeding any reasonable expectations post-Hayward injury, the brainstems here have decided to blame our 2nd and 3rd best players for everything despite them being the heart of our defense, which is the #1 strength on this team after Stevens. That sucks. Not just a little, but a lot.

But that's who some of you guys are. You'd rather have stats and prospect binkies than win, and that speaks for itself, quite frankly. Not in a good way, though.

So yeah, agree to disagree. Keep your stat whores and give me mother **** who fight, because that is what it takes in the hyper-alpha, hyper-competitive world of pro sports. Just every Celts and Pats title team that ever was. I can live with the warts if they do that night in and night out.

[Jaqua92]

You are calling me out for being a stan despite being the one with the bias. Smart was objectively much better than Tatum last night. Why are you even trying to argue that? More than happy to leave you out of it if you aren’t calling me out with a stupid opinion.

Both had solid games. One obviously played in the 4th quarter and was bad during that period. Apparently that hard admit for you, who is a KNOWN stan of Smart on this board, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a nice day dogg.

Thing is, I am not even that big on Smart. Combo guards are replaceable. But hating on a guy who leaves it all out there is just gross. We saw this team without him, and it was weak. Still sucked on offense, but with no heart on defense.

I didn't choose having to educate know-nothings about winning basketball... or maybe I did. I started an account here just because I was in shock that the place was overwhelmingly opposed to trading Al Jefferson for KG. Never hated on Rondo or Pierce, unlike many of you, and never hyped up guys like Jeff Green or David Lee, unlike many of you. And never though they were a one-man team with IT.

This year, despite exceeding any reasonable expectations post-Hayward injury, the brainstems here have decided to blame our 2nd and 3rd best players for everything despite them being the heart of our defense, which is the #1 strength on this team after Stevens. That sucks. Not just a little, but a lot.

But that's who some of you guys are. You'd rather have stats and prospect binkies than win, and that speaks for itself, quite frankly. Not in a good way, though.

So yeah, agree to disagree. Keep your stat whores and give me mother **** who fight, because that is what it takes in the hyper-alpha, hyper-competitive world of pro sports. Just every Celts and Pats title team that ever was. I can live with the warts if they do that night in and night out.

Of course you did lol

This kind of weak passive agression always comes up whenever you talk with the dumb Smart "haters". Why do you care? If people chose to be annoyed with Smart's offensive game, that has nothing to do with you. Who cares what others think if it doesn't change the truth of which you are expressing

[CelticTillDeath]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

You mistake being upset with a loss and fear of perceived ramifications of one loss. Not the same thing. Now back to our regularly scheduled aneurysm.

When did I say that the team is now screwed because they lost? I said games where we should have won, that we choked away into a loss, can absolutely come back to bite you at the end of the season when it comes time for seeding. It could be the difference between game 7 at Boston or game 7 at Toronto, if it gets to that matchup.

I never once said the season is over, I never once said they’re doomed, and infact i actually said I still think they can beat any team in the east in a 7 game series. So where is this “aneurysm” that you speak of? Where is the “sky is falling” attitude?

I’m beginning to think you lack reading comprehension. There’s a huge difference between critiquing the team for ONE game they should have won, but lost, while stating that those kinds of losses that you let slip away can have ramifications by seasons end, and acting like the team is doomed and the season is over after one loss. You make it sound like I’m doing the latter, when clearly I’m not. I said I think they can make the finals for Christ sakes.

And people wonder why I felt the need to repeat myself in numerous occasions in this thread. I have people responding to my post without even reading them, or at least not comprehending what I’m saying.

But hey, you go ahead and get back to saying things like “players, coaches, and the organization aren’t worried about this year! Everyone is just waiting for Hayward to come back! That’s when the real games begin!” Hahahahahahahahaha. Worst. Take. Ever.

[SichtingLives]

[djFan71]

Watched it last night. Ariza low-key killed us in the late 2nd & then a dagger late in the 4th. Jaylen's foul trouble took him out of the game. 3 techs, 3 point loss. Brutal collapse with the turnovers. But, man, the bench has been looking good - Morris, especially, is rounding into shape. Smart is making back that lost money. Hopefully they had someone on picture frame watch after the missed game tie-er.

Monroe with a good scoring game, but, still not sure how sustainable his D is. Against bench units without a killer pnr guard, we might be able to get away with him. Was better last night, and will assumedly improve a little more as he acclimates, but still gonna be a scenario where you try to just survive on D if he's working the other end.

[Captain_Caveman]

Both had solid games. One obviously played in the 4th quarter and was bad during that period. Apparently that hard admit for you, who is a KNOWN stan of Smart on this board, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a nice day dogg.

Thing is, I am not even that big on Smart. Combo guards are replaceable. But hating on a guy who leaves it all out there is just gross. We saw this team without him, and it was weak. Still sucked on offense, but with no heart on defense.

I didn't choose having to educate know-nothings about winning basketball... or maybe I did. I started an account here just because I was in shock that the place was overwhelmingly opposed to trading Al Jefferson for KG. Never hated on Rondo or Pierce, unlike many of you, and never hyped up guys like Jeff Green or David Lee, unlike many of you. And never though they were a one-man team with IT.

This year, despite exceeding any reasonable expectations post-Hayward injury, the brainstems here have decided to blame our 2nd and 3rd best players for everything despite them being the heart of our defense, which is the #1 strength on this team after Stevens. That sucks. Not just a little, but a lot.

But that's who some of you guys are. You'd rather have stats and prospect binkies than win, and that speaks for itself, quite frankly. Not in a good way, though.

So yeah, agree to disagree. Keep your stat whores and give me mother **** who fight, because that is what it takes in the hyper-alpha, hyper-competitive world of pro sports. Just every Celts and Pats title team that ever was. I can live with the warts if they do that night in and night out.

Of course you did lol

This kind of weak passive agression always comes up whenever you talk with the dumb Smart "haters". Why do you care? If people chose to be annoyed with Smart's offensive game, that has nothing to do with you. Who cares what others think if it doesn't change the truth of which you are expressing

Nothing passive about it. They call out Smart, and then dismiss me personally for defending him.

Truth is, no one should even have to defend him. He is a role player who works his ass off, all the time. Cannot say that for our other young guys, who all drift for long stretches regularly. He makes some cringey plays, but no moreso than our other young guys, whose asses he is often covering for defensively.

Whether or not we resign the guy, I don't get hating on a total gamer like that. It's like hating on an Amendola or a Bruschi, just for being limited players with a lot of heart. What kind of fan does that? Not my kind, that's for sure.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

You do realize, that it's both possible to be upset with a loss and to take positives away from it at the same time, don't you? No one is saying we should be happy that we lost, but rather that it's much better to lose close with lessons to take away from it than to be blown out of the water with no hope of closing the gap any time soon. The loss is encouraging specifically because of the fact that the things that cost us the game can easily be corrected in the near-term, so that if by some chance we faced them in the finals, we could be confident we've overcome those issues.

Sure, the loss sucks in the short term, and no one denies that we blew the game, but can you not see that in the long term this loss shows that we could easily be a contender in June?

[CelticTillDeath]

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Glad Kyrie has the same no moral victories mentality as me. Team needs to hold each other accountable for blowing games like this and not be happy just being competitive.

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

You do realize, that it's both possible to be upset with a loss and to take positives away from it at the same time, don't you? No one is saying we should be happy that we lost, but rather that it's much better to lose close with lessons to take away from it than to be blown out of the water with no hope of closing the gap any time soon. The loss is encouraging specifically because of the fact that the things that cost us the game can easily be corrected in the near-term, so that if by some chance we faced them in the finals, we could be confident we've overcome those issues.

Sure, the loss sucks in the short term, and no one denies that we blew the game, but can you not see that in the long term this loss shows that we could easily be a contender in June?

Ive said that I think we can get to the finals and beat any team in the east, about 4 or 5 times in this thread. I didn’t say there weren’t positives to take away from it. I said the stars need to be held more accountable and play better in big games. Everyone else played great for the most part. I’m just not a huge fan of saying “man so close! Good job!” I’m much more like Kyrie who responded with “being close isn’t good enough”. That’s all.

On to the next game. This thread have me a headache.

[bucknersrevenge]

This was my argument this entire thread. This post is pure gold. I wish I could give this 10 million and1s.

A lot of people are going to be upset at the words “moral victory” being used again though.

And man, for a person that supposedly “wasn’t worried” about last nights lost, certainly sounds like Kyrie isn’t happy.

You do realize, that it's both possible to be upset with a loss and to take positives away from it at the same time, don't you? No one is saying we should be happy that we lost, but rather that it's much better to lose close with lessons to take away from it than to be blown out of the water with no hope of closing the gap any time soon. The loss is encouraging specifically because of the fact that the things that cost us the game can easily be corrected in the near-term, so that if by some chance we faced them in the finals, we could be confident we've overcome those issues.

Sure, the loss sucks in the short term, and no one denies that we blew the game, but can you not see that in the long term this loss shows that we could easily be a contender in June?

Ive said that I think we can get to the finals and beat any team in the east, about 4 or 5 times in this thread. I didn’t say there weren’t positives to take away from it. I said the stars need to be held more accountable and play better in big games. Everyone else played great for the most part. I’m just not a huge fan of saying “man so close! Good job!” I’m much more like Kyrie who responded with “being close isn’t good enough”. That’s all.

On to the next game. This thread have me a headache.

Good Christ you are dim!

You think our stars aren't being held accountable enough. There is a Tweet circulating where Al is saying he feels bad about this loss personally and how he plans to look at the tape and learn from it. You JUST held up a Tweet quoting Kyrie talking about "not being good enough" and "players being upset about the loss?? WTF more do they have to do to be more accountable to you??

This is why you don't get it. Critique would've been one post, maybe two about letting this get away. But you get something up your keister about "something wicked this way comes because they lost an arbitrary game in March and how this loss will come back to haunt them in May or June. With ZERO knowledge of what will happen. For all you know we could go 15-3 from here. Your cognitive dissonance is pretty shameless.

[CelticTillDeath]

You do realize, that it's both possible to be upset with a loss and to take positives away from it at the same time, don't you? No one is saying we should be happy that we lost, but rather that it's much better to lose close with lessons to take away from it than to be blown out of the water with no hope of closing the gap any time soon. The loss is encouraging specifically because of the fact that the things that cost us the game can easily be corrected in the near-term, so that if by some chance we faced them in the finals, we could be confident we've overcome those issues.

Sure, the loss sucks in the short term, and no one denies that we blew the game, but can you not see that in the long term this loss shows that we could easily be a contender in June?

Ive said that I think we can get to the finals and beat any team in the east, about 4 or 5 times in this thread. I didn’t say there weren’t positives to take away from it. I said the stars need to be held more accountable and play better in big games. Everyone else played great for the most part. I’m just not a huge fan of saying “man so close! Good job!” I’m much more like Kyrie who responded with “being close isn’t good enough”. That’s all.

On to the next game. This thread have me a headache.

Good Christ you are dim!

You think our stars aren't being held accountable enough. There is a Tweet circulating where Al is saying he feels bad about this loss personally and how he plans to look at the tape and learn from it. You JUST held up a Tweet quoting Kyrie talking about "not being good enough" and "players being upset about the loss?? WTF more do they have to do to be more accountable to you??

This is why you don't get it. Critique would've been one post, maybe two about letting this get away. But you get something up your keister about "something wicked this way comes because they lost an arbitrary game in March and how this loss will come back to haunt them in May or June. With ZERO knowledge of what will happen. For all you know we could go 15-3 from here. Your cognitive dissonance is pretty shameless.

Alright little man, I’m done with this thread after this post, because clearly your all over the place.

When I say the stars need to be held more accountable, Im not saying that they need to hold themselves accountable, I’m saying we as a fan base who have that “so close! Yay! Moral victories!” attitude need to hold them more accountable, and not be so quick to let them off the hook. If they play bad, say it. Stop with this “only one game! Ahh sooo close! But the rockets are so good and we almost had em!” stuff. Especially when you consider how we lost that game down the stretch by just giving it away. Which again, is exactly WHY I loved that tweet about what horford said, and I love that Kyrie said being close isn’t good enough, because that’s how it should be. That’s why I said they were making my point, they were showing that they are worried about these big games in March, or that they do care about being able to compete - even in the regular season, which was something you supposedly said the whole organization didn’t care or worry about. Ha.

And now listen, or read carefully, because this is what YOU don’t get. I critiqued ONE game. A game in which we led damn near wire to wire before we choked away the lead by allowing the rockets to finish on a 12-2 run. The stars (Kyrie and Al) were who I was critiquing considering how poorly they played down the stretch and the fact that they were a -18 and -22 respectively. The reason it turned into mutiple posts was because you simply weren’t understanding what I was saying and you were throwing out comments that were boarderline insane and very argumentative. So let me clear this up for you as easy I can. I’ll even put it in all caps...

I NEVER SAID THIS LOSS WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM, OR THAT THERE WILL BE RAMIFICATIONS. Got that part so far? Now, what I said was that THESE ARE THE KINDS OF LOSSES THAT CAN COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM, OR COULD HAVE RAMIFICATIONS. Do you see the difference now? The latter suggesting a possibility of something happening, and the former saying that its a certainty. I’m saying the latter. Get it now?

I never got all doom and gloom like you suggested, I never had a sky is falling mentality, there was no aneurysm (at least on my end). I said this team could beat any team in the east come playoff time, so how is that panicking, jumping off a cliff, sky falling? I was just saying the stars sucked in this game, the fans need to stop making excuses for them in this game, and that those are the kinds of losses that can potentially come back to bite you later in the year if you miss out on homecourt by a game or two. Now, we could could go 15-3 and have it not matter, your absolutely right, I never suggested otherwise, but there’s always the possibility it goes the other way too. It’s so simple to grasp. Just read, then comprehend.

I really hope you finally see that my critiques were about one game, and that you can now fully understand what I was saying, because quite frankly having to repeat myself so many times for you to understand has given me a headache. I feel absolutely crazy for the fact that I even entertained a back-n-forth with a poster who said “the players, coaches, and front office arent even worried about this season. They’re waiting for next season when Hayward gets back because that’s when we’ll be better”. I mean good god man. And you call me “dim”?





And now I’m done, and on to Chicago.

[bucknersrevenge]

Ive said that I think we can get to the finals and beat any team in the east, about 4 or 5 times in this thread. I didn’t say there weren’t positives to take away from it. I said the stars need to be held more accountable and play better in big games. Everyone else played great for the most part. I’m just not a huge fan of saying “man so close! Good job!” I’m much more like Kyrie who responded with “being close isn’t good enough”. That’s all.

On to the next game. This thread have me a headache.

Good Christ you are dim!

You think our stars aren't being held accountable enough. There is a Tweet circulating where Al is saying he feels bad about this loss personally and how he plans to look at the tape and learn from it. You JUST held up a Tweet quoting Kyrie talking about "not being good enough" and "players being upset about the loss?? WTF more do they have to do to be more accountable to you??

This is why you don't get it. Critique would've been one post, maybe two about letting this get away. But you get something up your keister about "something wicked this way comes because they lost an arbitrary game in March and how this loss will come back to haunt them in May or June. With ZERO knowledge of what will happen. For all you know we could go 15-3 from here. Your cognitive dissonance is pretty shameless.

Alright little man, I’m done with this thread after this post, because clearly your all over the place.

When I say the stars need to be held more accountable, Im not saying that they need to hold themselves accountable, I’m saying we as a fan base who have that “so close! Yay! Moral victories!” attitude need to hold them more accountable, and not be so quick to let them off the hook. If they play bad, say it. Stop with this “only one game! Ahh sooo close! But the rockets are so good and we almost had em!” stuff. Especially when you consider how we lost that game down the stretch by just giving it away. Which again, is exactly WHY I loved that tweet about what horford said, and I love that Kyrie said being close isn’t good enough, because that’s how it should be. That’s why I said they were making my point, they were showing that they are worried about these big games in March, or that they do care about being able to compete - even in the regular season, which was something you supposedly said the whole organization didn’t care or worry about. Ha.

And now listen, or read carefully, because this is what YOU don’t get. I critiqued ONE game. A game in which we led damn near wire to wire before we choked away the lead by allowing the rockets to finish on a 12-2 run. The stars (Kyrie and Al) were who I was critiquing considering how poorly they played down the stretch and the fact that they were a -18 and -22 respectively. The reason it turned into mutiple posts was because you simply weren’t understanding what I was saying and you were throwing out comments that were boarderline insane and very argumentative. So let me clear this up for you as easy I can. I’ll even put it in all caps...

I NEVER SAID THIS LOSS WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM, OR THAT THERE WILL BE RAMIFICATIONS. Got that part so far? Now, what I said was that THESE ARE THE KINDS OF LOSSES THAT CAN COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM, OR COULD HAVE RAMIFICATIONS. Do you see the difference now? The latter suggesting a possibility of something happening, and the former saying that its a certainty. I’m saying the latter. Get it now?

I never got all doom and gloom like you suggested, I never had a sky is falling mentality, there was no aneurysm (at least on my end). I said this team could beat any team in the east come playoff time, so how is that panicking, jumping off a cliff, sky falling? I was just saying the stars sucked in this game, the fans need to stop making excuses for them in this game, and that those are the kinds of losses that can potentially come back to bite you later in the year if you miss out on homecourt by a game or two. Now, we could could go 15-3 and have it not matter, your absolutely right, I never suggested otherwise, but there’s always the possibility it goes the other way too. It’s so simple to grasp. Just read, then comprehend.

I really hope you finally see that my critiques were about one game, and that you can now fully understand what I was saying, because quite frankly having to repeat myself so many times for you to understand has given me a headache. I feel absolutely crazy for the fact that I even entertained a back-n-forth with a poster who said “the players, coaches, and front office arent even worried about this season. They’re waiting for next season when Hayward gets back because that’s when we’ll be better”. I mean good god man. And you call me “dim”?





And now I’m done, and on to Chicago.

"we can't let them off the hook" "we need to hold them more accountable"

Yeah they're really worried about what you think of them right now. LOL

You are 5 years old. Five. LOL