Temple Could Decline Option with Kings

LightTheBeam · Post #1 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:37 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249155/Garrett-Temple-Could-Decline-$8M-Option-With-Kings

I think a good team could give him a PPat 3-16 type of contract. Instead of 8 over 1 he secures double the money with an extra year. He does enough things well that any winning team would love him. He will be 32 next year and hasn't made a lot in comparison to other pros. I think itd be beneficial to him.

My Temple hate this year has been unfair. He was my favorite King last year, and when we had Cousins I repeatedly said he was our 2nd best player (to help win games). that said, I hope he lands on a good team (anyone but the Warriors) and I hope he has success.

If he does opt out, I really hope we try to roll our money over. Do like the Lakers and sign some big 1 year contracts.

Otherwise depending on the draft, I wouldn't mind overpaying a bit for Randle. If we take Doncic like I suspect Vlade will.

WCS/Giles
Randle/Skal
Doncic/Jackson
Bogie/Buddy
Fox/Mason

Joerger would probably give Koufos/Randolph Giles/Skals minutes to start the season, then we push them out of the rotation completely.

This IMO would be a pretty damn exciting team.

enderwilson · Post #2 » by **enderwilson** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 3:45 pm

I'm meh about the prospect.

For me, his role on the team wasn't about being a scorer or a go-to guy on the court. He's a solid role player guy on a team that already has 1-2 primary options. He would be our Christie, if we had a Webber, Peja, and Bibby already.

Temple's *real* role on the team had been as a high-character role model for our youth. This year was more about development anyway. Not just ON the court, but off the court in the sense of how we want to reshape the King's culture. Off the court, in the locker room, and in the community is where Temple is the real Star. If he takes the $8 million next year to help us grow again as a team. I think we will continue to benefit from his presence.

And if he bolts, we still have VC and $8 million more in the bank.

SacKingZZZ · Post #3 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Mar 4, 2018 7:56 pm

enderwilson wrote:I'm meh about the prospect.

For me, his role on the team wasn't about being a scorer or a go-to guy on the court. He's a solid role player guy on a team that already has 1-2 primary options. He would be our Christie, if we had a Webber, Peja, and Bibby already.

Temple's *real* role on the team had been as a high-character role model for our youth. This year was more about development anyway. Not just ON the court, but off the court in the sense of how we want to reshape the King's culture. Off the court, in the locker room, and in the community is where Temple is the real Star. If he takes the $8 million next year to help us grow again as a team. I think we will continue to benefit from his presence.

And if he bolts, we still have VC and $8 million more in the bank.

This year was about mentoring, next year needs to be about heading full steam ahead and the cap space is a much more tangible asset. No 2019 pick is going to hurt but if the Kings can finally establish the plethora of young players they have it might hurt a lot less should a blockbuster trade come their way. And is VC coming back? I figure he'll join a contender next year.

LightTheBeam · Post #4 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 12:42 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
enderwilson wrote:I'm meh about the prospect.

For me, his role on the team wasn't about being a scorer or a go-to guy on the court. He's a solid role player guy on a team that already has 1-2 primary options. He would be our Christie, if we had a Webber, Peja, and Bibby already.

Temple's *real* role on the team had been as a high-character role model for our youth. This year was more about development anyway. Not just ON the court, but off the court in the sense of how we want to reshape the King's culture. Off the court, in the locker room, and in the community is where Temple is the real Star. If he takes the $8 million next year to help us grow again as a team. I think we will continue to benefit from his presence.

And if he bolts, we still have VC and $8 million more in the bank.

This year was about mentoring, next year needs to be about heading full steam ahead and the cap space is a much more tangible asset. No 2019 pick is going to hurt but if the Kings can finally establish the plethora of young players they have it might hurt a lot less should a blockbuster trade come their way. And is VC coming back? I figure he'll join a contender next year.

Agreed. I won't be upset if he comes back, I think overall hes movable in a trade if we need the salary match.

That said next year needs to be about the young guys. I will be very upset if we see some of the youngins minutes cut for the likes of Randolph, Temple, or Koufos next year.

As Vlade said when we traded Cousins, this next year is the year we need to show why we made that trade. The team needs to be competitive. I'm not saying we need to be a playoff team next year, but we need to be closer to what the Lakers are showing this year rather than what the Nets are..

(I use Lakers and Nets because neither has a pick)

enderwilson · Post #5 » by **enderwilson** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:53 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
enderwilson wrote:I'm meh about the prospect.

For me, his role on the team wasn't about being a scorer or a go-to guy on the court. He's a solid role player guy on a team that already has 1-2 primary options. He would be our Christie, if we had a Webber, Peja, and Bibby already.

Temple's *real* role on the team had been as a high-character role model for our youth. This year was more about development anyway. Not just ON the court, but off the court in the sense of how we want to reshape the King's culture. Off the court, in the locker room, and in the community is where Temple is the real Star. If he takes the $8 million next year to help us grow again as a team. I think we will continue to benefit from his presence.

And if he bolts, we still have VC and $8 million more in the bank.

This year was about mentoring, next year needs to be about heading full steam ahead and the cap space is a much more tangible asset. No 2019 pick is going to hurt but if the Kings can finally establish the plethora of young players they have it might hurt a lot less should a blockbuster trade come their way. And is VC coming back? I figure he'll join a contender next year.

Did we only sign him for one year? I thought we signed all our vets to more than one. Oh, never mind then.

Post #6 » by **City of Trees** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:06 am

Fingers crossed.

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jazanetti · Post #7 » by **jazanetti** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:13 am

If we can't sign solid FA wing (we have low chance to do it) I'd be OK offering Temple 24/3, non guaranteed third year.

Post #8 » by **City of Trees** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:18 am

jazanetti wrote:If we can't sign solid FA wing (we have low chance to do it) I'd be OK offering Temple 24/3, non guaranteed third year.

Why?

SG is set with Bogi and Buddy.

Signing Temple would be counter productive to the rebuild.

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jazanetti · Post #9 » by **jazanetti** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:58 am

City of Trees wrote:
jazanetti wrote:If we can't sign solid FA wing (we have low chance to do it) I'd be OK offering Temple 24/3, non guaranteed third year.

Why?

SG is set with Bogi and Buddy.

Signing Temple would be counter productive to the rebuild.

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I think his mental impact is still very important. And he is perfect back up guy, can play 1-2-3 positions and provide nice 3&D. 8 million per year is good price unless we can't sign top FA.

blind prophet · Post #10 » by **blind prophet** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:28 pm

jazanetti wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
jazanetti wrote:If we can't sign solid FA wing (we have low chance to do it) I'd be OK offering Temple 24/3, non guaranteed third year.

Why?

SG is set with Bogi and Buddy.

Signing Temple would be counter productive to the rebuild.

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I think his mental impact is still very important. And he is perfect back up guy, can play 1-2-3 positions and provide nice 3&D. 8 million per year is good price unless we can't sign top FA.

Remember the woes of contract clutter from the past.

No more Jarl Thompandry middling contracts, especially when it doesn't fit our youth timeline.

1 & dones or team options on year two is the way we need to go with veteran depth, or cap space to absorb for incentive.

LightTheBeam · Post #11 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:34 pm

blind prophet wrote:
jazanetti wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Why?

SG is set with Bogi and Buddy.

Signing Temple would be counter productive to the rebuild.

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I think his mental impact is still very important. And he is perfect back up guy, can play 1-2-3 positions and provide nice 3&D. 8 million per year is good price unless we can't sign top FA.

Remember the woes of contract clutter from the past.

No more Jarl Thompandry middling contracts, especially when it doesn't fit our youth timeline.

1 & dones or team options on year two is the way we need to go with veteran depth, or cap space to absorb for incentive.

Yup I'd rather overpay for 1 year Lakers style than sign mediocre talent longer. Even this year it was clear having hill, zbo, temple, koufos was a bad idea.

Next year I'd like to see

Fox/mason take all pg minutes

Bogdan/hield/jackson/1st pick take all the wing minutes.

WCS/Giles/Skal/1st round pick take all the bigs minutes.

That's 9 men. Sprinkle in vets when we have foul trouble or injuries, between koufos, Randolph, shump, temple.

That all said my guess is temple plays 20mpg next season. Randolph and koufos see 50 combined. Jackson or hield get there minutes significantly cut, and giles doesn't see the floor till all star break

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blind prophet · Post #12 » by **blind prophet** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:38 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
jazanetti wrote:I think his mental impact is still very important. And he is perfect back up guy, can play 1-2-3 positions and provide nice 3&D. 8 million per year is good price unless we can't sign top FA.

Remember the woes of contract clutter from the past.

No more Jarl Thompandry middling contracts, especially when it doesn't fit our youth timeline.

1 & dones or team options on year two is the way we need to go with veteran depth, or cap space to absorb for incentive.
Yup I'd rather overpay for 1 year Lakers style than sign mediocre talent longer. Even this year it was clear having hill, zbo, temple, koufos was a bad idea.

Next year I'd like to see

Fox/mason take all pg minutes

Bogdan/hield/jackson/1st pick take all the wing minutes.

WCS/Giles/Skal/1st round pick take all the bigs minutes.

That's 9 men. Sprinkle in vets when we have foul trouble or injuries, between koufos, Randolph, shump, temple.

That all said my guess is temple plays 20mpg next season. Randolph and koufos see 50 combined. Jackson or hield get there minutes significantly cut, and giles doesn't see the floor till all star break

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Depending on who opts in & who we draft, I believe what Carmichael Dave suggested that we will try to max a veteran. Would be an overpay, but after our veteran contract clutter expires after next season I think it is what we should do.

Can consolidate prospects too after more observation time.

Need a home run draft, need to overpay for that FA and pray he plays well enough to get paid.

jazanetti · Post #13 » by **jazanetti** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:51 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
jazanetti wrote:I think his mental impact is still very important. And he is perfect back up guy, can play 1-2-3 positions and provide nice 3&D. 8 million per year is good price unless we can't sign top FA.

Remember the woes of contract clutter from the past.

No more Jarl Thompandry middling contracts, especially when it doesn't fit our youth timeline.

1 & dones or team options on year two is the way we need to go with veteran depth, or cap space to absorb for incentive.
Yup I'd rather overpay for 1 year Lakers style than sign mediocre talent longer. Even this year it was clear having hill, zbo, temple, koufos was a bad idea.

Next year I'd like to see

Fox/mason take all pg minutes

Bogdan/hield/jackson/1st pick take all the wing minutes.

WCS/Giles/Skal/1st round pick take all the bigs minutes.

That's 9 men. Sprinkle in vets when we have foul trouble or injuries, between koufos, Randolph, shump, temple.

That all said my guess is temple plays 20mpg next season. Randolph and koufos see 50 combined. Jackson or hield get there minutes significantly cut, and giles doesn't see the floor till all star break

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This roster would definitely bring less than 30 wins. Probably even less than 25.

LightTheBeam · Post #14 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:00 pm

jazanetti wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
Remember the woes of contract clutter from the past.

No more Jarl Thompandry middling contracts, especially when it doesn't fit our youth timeline.

1 & dones or team options on year two is the way we need to go with veteran depth, or cap space to absorb for incentive.
Yup I'd rather overpay for 1 year Lakers style than sign mediocre talent longer. Even this year it was clear having hill, zbo, temple, koufos was a bad idea.

Next year I'd like to see

Fox/mason take all pg minutes

Bogdan/hield/jackson/1st pick take all the wing minutes.

WCS/Giles/Skal/1st round pick take all the bigs minutes.

That's 9 men. Sprinkle in vets when we have foul trouble or injuries, between koufos, Randolph, shump, temple.

That all said my guess is temple plays 20mpg next season. Randolph and koufos see 50 combined. Jackson or hield get there minutes significantly cut, and giles doesn't see the floor till all star break

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This roster would definitely bring less than 30 wins. Probably even less than 25.

It's possible, I'd like to hope the improvements from the entire team especially fox and Bogdan would help us get to 35. But it allows our young guys to improve.

I'm done seeing Randolph post up 20 times a game, that doesn't help the young guys and it actually hurts them because it takes them out of their run and PnR offense. And I actually think Randolph makes us lose more than win.

Like I said I'm sure they will sprinkle in some koufos, Randolph and temple.

What free agents would you want to sign this season? George, cp3, LeBron, Durant obviously none of them are considering us. I don't want deandre or Jabari. Capela, Gordon or randle would be great but not sure they are leaving.

From there it's very shaky

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SacKingZZZ · Post #15 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:21 pm

I like Temple but another thing to remember is the Kings will most likely have Iman Shumpert on the roster next year. I highly doubt the Kings want 20 million in benchateer SG's.

jazanetti · Post #16 » by **jazanetti** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 5:59 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
jazanetti wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Yup I'd rather overpay for 1 year Lakers style than sign mediocre talent longer. Even this year it was clear having hill, zbo, temple, koufos was a bad idea.

Next year I'd like to see

Fox/mason take all pg minutes

Bogdan/hield/jackson/1st pick take all the wing minutes.

WCS/Giles/Skal/1st round pick take all the bigs minutes.

That's 9 men. Sprinkle in vets when we have foul trouble or injuries, between koufos, Randolph, shump, temple.

That all said my guess is temple plays 20mpg next season. Randolph and koufos see 50 combined. Jackson or hield get there minutes significantly cut, and giles doesn't see the floor till all star break

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This roster would definitely bring less than 30 wins. Probably even less than 25.
It's possible, I'd like to hope the improvements from the entire team especially fox and Bogdan would help us get to 35. But it allows our young guys to improve.

I'm done seeing Randolph post up 20 times a game, that doesn't help the young guys and it actually hurts them because it takes them out of their run and PnR offense. And I actually think Randolph makes us lose more than win.

Like I said I'm sure they will sprinkle in some koufos, Randolph and temple.

What free agents would you want to sign this season? George, cp3, LeBron, Durant obviously none of them are considering us. I don't want deandre or Jabari. Capela, Gordon or randle would be great but not sure they are leaving.

From there it's very shaky

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Mario Hezonja?

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/mario-hezonja-to-kings/

LightTheBeam · Post #17 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:33 am

jazanetti wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
jazanetti wrote:This roster would definitely bring less than 30 wins. Probably even less than 25.
It's possible, I'd like to hope the improvements from the entire team especially fox and Bogdan would help us get to 35. But it allows our young guys to improve.

I'm done seeing Randolph post up 20 times a game, that doesn't help the young guys and it actually hurts them because it takes them out of their run and PnR offense. And I actually think Randolph makes us lose more than win.

Like I said I'm sure they will sprinkle in some koufos, Randolph and temple.

What free agents would you want to sign this season? George, cp3, LeBron, Durant obviously none of them are considering us. I don't want deandre or Jabari. Capela, Gordon or randle would be great but not sure they are leaving.

From there it's very shaky

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Mario Hezonja?
http://hoopshype.com/storyline/mario-hezonja-to-kings/

Ya I think you are probably right... I remember Mario's draft, I thought for sure we were going to grab him.

If we end up drafting a big, Bamba, Bagley, JJJ then it makes sense.

I wouldn't be mad with Bagley/Mario but id definitely prefer porter or doncic with randle.

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OhioKingsFan · Post #18 » by **OhioKingsFan** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:07 pm

If Temple opts out of his contract the Kings should have a little more than $25M in cap space, likely enough to sign Hezonja and another target Free Agent like Julius Randle.

Lost in LA · Post #19 » by **Lost in LA** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:38 pm

Good guy, but does not fill a need position

jazanetti · Post #20 » by **jazanetti** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 7:34 am

Lost in LA wrote:Good guy, but does not fill a need position

If he can play like he did in February, Mario fits us great being 6'8" SF wing. The problem is we still need a star potential guy and I don't think Hezonja is that man.