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Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

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Are you happy with the draft?

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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1581 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:16 pm

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Which NBA Draft Prospects Impressed During the Big Ten Tournament?

Jaren Jackson Jr., Michigan State, C


Height: 6’11” | Weight: 240 | Year: Freshman | Age: 19
Draft Projection: Top Seven


Jackson, who has played his way into teams’ conversations as a top-five pick, was mostly absent throughout. His poor showing does serve as a reminder that he’s far from ready to contribute in the NBA on a consistent basis. He will be one of the youngest players in the draft and has a number of correctable habits that tie into the maturity factor. He can disappear for stretches of the game as a scorer, rebounder and shot-contester, sometimes forces bad takes when pressing and displayed visible frustration with both game flow and officiating at times. His tools and versatility are terrific and will keep him among the first six or seven players drafted.

Jackson was notably bad Friday against Wisconsin, managing just 15 minutes before fouling out and struggling to involve himself in the game flow in any regard. He was a bit more involved statistically in the loss to Michigan, but found himself swarmed by defenders and unable to finish creatively in crowds and also struggled shooting from the perimeter. He has flashes of brilliance and makes few egregious or mental mistakes, but needs to pack on some more muscle to be able to push opponents on the interior and create space for himself to make plays. He can make threes, but doesn’t get great rotation on his ball and needs to keep working on his consistency. He’s an above-average athlete but not vertically explosive, and physical maturity should help split the difference. There’s still a lot to love about Jackson’s soft touch with both hands, shooting ability, impressive wingspan and ability to defend in space, but there’s some variance of opinion around the league when it comes to his actual star potential.

He remains a hot draft commodity despite the struggles.



Miles Bridges, Michigan State, F

Height: 6’7” | Weight: 225 | Year: Sophomore | Age: 19
Draft Projection: Lottery to Mid First


Bridges has definitely shown improvement in the back half of the season and remains in the late lottery mix despite many teams feeling like they’ve figured him out as a player. He had positive flashes in the tournament, making three threes in each game and doing a nice job on the glass. Bridges’ athletic ability pops, and he’s established himself as a threat on one-dribble pull-ups and shooting threes at the top of the arc. Against Michigan, [colorpurple]he had success using his thick lower body to generate easy looks on the left block against weaker defenders[/color], a nice potential long-term offensive wrinkle.

The fundamental concerns with Bridges remain the same: his game is paradoxical. He’s best suited as a small-ball four-man, but has length that plays better at shooting guard. His upper body strength and brute athleticism suggest he should attack the basket aggressively, but a limited capacity to handle the ball renders him primarily a jump shooter (he averages a shockingly low 3.3 free throw attempts per game). In the NBA, you’re probably asking him to be a high-level glue guy and supporting player, but in reality, Bridges is a finesse scorer who hasn’t shown a ton of commitment to defending or hustling at a high level. He has some NBA-caliber tools, but drafting him will mean buying in on his willingness to adapt.
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Post#1582 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:24 pm

^cont.

Keita Bates-Diop, Ohio State, F

Height: 6’7” | Weight: 235 | Year: Junior | Age: 22
Draft Projection: Second Round

Bates-Diop showcased a nice level of offensive versatility on his way to 25 points on 10–20 shooting in a loss to Penn State, but is more great college player than fascinating pro prospect...he’s not an ideal fit for the next level given a lack of great athleticism or physicality to play the four, where his skills are probably best-suited. Bates-Diop does a lot of things well, but nothing great, and how long he’ll be able to last in the NBA likely depends on his ability to become a consistent three-point threat at the next level. He’s done enough to get himself drafted, but there will be challenges when it comes to thriving in an NBA role.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1583 » by ATL Boy » Mon Mar 5, 2018 4:25 pm

My updated wish list (in order):
Ayton
Doncic
Porter (if he's 100% cleared by the doctors)

Bamba
Young
Bagley
JJJ

I'd be a lot more willing to take a chance on Young if we're picking outside the top 3. I hope he has a great NCAA tourney either way because A) that would justify us selecting him or B) He'll get so hyped up that another team will take him high in the draft and that'll result in a top tier prospect maybe falling into our lap.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1584 » by macd-gm » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:09 pm

What % of Bagley hoops are dunks? I'd feel better about him if i saw him making some other shots.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1585 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:14 pm

macd-gm wrote:What % of Bagley hoops are dunks? I'd feel better about him if i saw him making some other shots.


I'm hopeful we get a Duke -- U of Arizona matchup in the tourney to see how Bagley fares against an NBA caliber big man in Ayton.
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1586 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:23 pm

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Deandre Ayton | Arizona
7-0 | Fr. | C

Overall ranking: No. 1

All the turmoil around Arizona seems only to have lit a fire underneath Ayton, and he has responded with arguably the best two games of his season in the last 10 days.

After canvassing most of the league in recent weeks, there seems to be somewhat of a consensus forming around Ayton as the "safe pick" at No. 1. Which team ends up getting the pick will obviously play a role, but Ayton's sheer productivity combined with his freakish physical tools are making it increasingly difficult to keep Luka Doncic up top, especially after a somewhat lackluster month of February by his standards.

For a more detailed look at Ayton's strengths, weaknesses, background and more, make sure you check out our deep dive on the Bahamas native from two weeks ago. --Jonathan Givony
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Re: Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1587 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:47 pm

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Michael Cunningham wrote:I’d already watched all the top U.S.-based NBA prospects play games on television (except for Michael Porter, who just returned from injury). I also saw Marvin Bagley II and Wendell Carter Jr. live in New York. My take was that Ayton is the best prospect among them all because of his physical talent and skills, and nothing I saw from him during Arizona’s victory over Stanford on Thursday changes that opinion.

However, because I was already sold on Ayton as the top prospect I went to the Stanford game with a skeptical eye. I was looking for signs of what all reports indicate is his main weakness: a lack of “feel” for the game, which mostly shows up on defense.

Those concerns are real. Ayton’s apparent lack of instincts shows up in his defense around the basket, just as it does with his inattentive help defense.

My view is that Ayton is worth the chance. If he improves significantly in those areas Ayton can be the kind of franchise-changing player worthy of the No. 1 overall selection because of his rare physical abilities and offensive skills for a player his size.
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Post#1588 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:52 pm

The NBA should root for us to get Ayton. The ATL needs a guy like and the nba would profit. Just give us a chance to have a star.
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Post#1589 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 5, 2018 7:56 pm

I’ve got:

1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Young
4. Porter
5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Mikal Bridges
8. JJJ
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Post#1590 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:05 pm

Spud2nique wrote:The NBA should root for us to get Ayton. The ATL needs a guy like and the nba would profit. Just give us a chance to have a star.



Ironically, all of this makes me more willing to pass on him.

I've heard scouts mention the motor/defensive issues all season. Now, I hear concerns regarding ego. That he's starting to believe his own hype a bit.

No major red flags, but enough to make me move on to my fave forwards: Doncic and M Porter Jr.

Ayton is the biggest talent, but I don't see a guy capable of withstanding the spotlight as franchise savior.

Doncic, MPJ, Wendell and Mikal seem like the kind of kids we can/should depend on moving forward.
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Post#1591 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:24 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Ironically, all of this makes me more willing to pass on him.

I've heard scouts mention the motor/defensive issues all season. Now, I hear concerns regarding ego. That he's starting to believe his own hype a bit.

No major red flags, but enough to make me move on to my fave forwards: Doncic and M Porter Jr.

Ayton is the biggest talent, but I don't see a guy capable of withstanding the spotlight as franchise savior.

Doncic, MPJ, Wendell and Mikal seem like the kind of kids we can/should depend on moving forward.

Man, you talkin bout spotlight in Atlanta... :D :D On his ego, I mentioned that he has been retweeting every compliment he's got. :crazy: :crazy:
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Post#1592 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:27 pm

thr3ep01nte4 wrote:On his ego, I mentioned that he has been retweeting every compliment he's got. :crazy: :crazy:


That was one of the comments scouts mentioned on a draft podcast recently that caught my attention as well. That, plus his approach in practice and his weird comments to a couple of NBA writers earlier in the season.

He's by far the most talented kid in the draft.

But on a team with few leaders on the floor, I have some concerns.
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Post#1593 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:29 pm

Three combo guards? Seriously, CBS?

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5. Atlanta Hawks

Luka Doncic | INTL | SG

The Serbian wing is killing it for Real Madrid, dominating against grown men in the Spanish League at the age of 18. Who knows what he'd look like in the American college game, but my guess is he'd be a top-five player in the player of the year race. Doncic is a versatile and confident wing; his confidence might be the one thing that sets him apart over every player in this draft. What if he's a taller Manu Ginobili? That's a pretty high ceiling.



24. Atlanta Hawks

Landry Shamet | Wichita State | Soph. | PG

The best shooter in the college game? If not, he's certainly close. Shamet won't wow you with his athletic gifts, but he'll certainly wow you with his 44 percent shooting from 3-point range as well as great shooting from inside the arc as well.



29. Atlanta Hawks

De'Anthony Melton | USC | Soph. | PG/SG

One of the travesties of the current scandal of college basketball is that talented players like Melton were stripped of an entire season of eligibility. Whether he cheated or didn't, I feel for the young man. Luckily, his NBA future is bright as an all-around combo guard who can play great defense on multiple positions.
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Post#1594 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:42 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:That was one of the comments scouts mentioned on a draft podcast recently that caught my attention as well. That, plus his approach in practice and his weird comments to a couple of NBA writers earlier in the season.

He's by far the most talented kid in the draft.

But on a team with few leaders on the floor, I have some concerns.

Indeed. Ayton is a typical prospect that can be ruined in a bad situation such as Sacramento. I do have faith in Atlanta's player development staff, but it would not surprise me when some reports saying him butting heads with Bud or some other assistant coaches.

Ayton is incredibly talented, however, it's not clear to me whether he will end up being the best player in this draft (10-15 years from now). Say if Doncic ends up in Dallas, Atlanta, or (in some crazy scenario) San Antonio, and Ayton goes to Phoenix, Memphis, or Sacramento, Doncic can become the better player.
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Post#1595 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 5, 2018 8:45 pm

thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Ayton is a typical prospect that can be ruined in a bad situation such as Sacramento. I do have faith in Atlanta's player development staff...


^That is very fair.

thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Ayton is incredibly talented, however, it's not clear to me whether he will end up being the best player in this draft (10-15 years from now)....Doncic can become the better player.


^Noted.
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Post#1596 » by Ball4life32 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:18 pm

In order

Ayton
Porter
Young
Bagley
Doncic
Bamba
JJJ
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Post#1597 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:50 pm

Just some things that are off putting regarding DA. I notice his mobility is not fluid, somewhat myles turner like.

Allegedly takes six figures when already considered a multi millionaire within a year.

Lack of desire and mental toughness of Andrew Bynum is not what I compare it to, but the spider senses are on edge.

With that, I hope he and remaining top talent do their thing this March
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Post#1598 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:50 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:The NBA should root for us to get Ayton. The ATL needs a guy like and the nba would profit. Just give us a chance to have a star.



Ironically, all of this makes me more willing to pass on him.

I've heard scouts mention the motor/defensive issues all season. Now, I hear concerns regarding ego. That he's starting to believe his own hype a bit.

No major red flags, but enough to make me move on to my fave forwards: Doncic and M Porter Jr.

Ayton is the biggest talent, but I don't see a guy capable of withstanding the spotlight as franchise savior.

Doncic, MPJ, Wendell and Mikal seem like the kind of kids we can/should depend on moving forward.



I never had a chance to see Wilt Chamberlain play in a live game..but when I see Ayton dunk, for some strange reason his back and upper arms are reminiscent of the great Wilt. Not to mention the raw power and strength. To be honest, I kind of always wanted us to have a big man worthy of hype like an Hakeem, Shaq or Ewing type. It might be a fun ride. Having said that, I love Doncic as well. Just hoping we have some luck to get a crack at one of these guys.
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Post#1599 » by macd-gm » Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:55 pm

Spud2nique wrote:I’ve got:

1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Young
4. Porter
5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Mikal Bridges
8. JJJ



Nice to see folks agreeing that Young is worth a top 3. But what about Luka? I thought he was head and shoulders your pick?
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Post#1600 » by Spud2nique » Mon Mar 5, 2018 10:08 pm

macd-gm wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:I’ve got:

1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Young
4. Porter
5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Mikal Bridges
8. JJJ



Nice to see folks agreeing that Young is worth a top 3. But what about Luka? I thought he was head and shoulders your pick?



Haven’t you ever been in love with 3 people...lol...honestly I’m in love with Doncic but if Bud has an awesome history of developing talent, I just imagine what he would do with an Ayton? He’s worked with the Admiral and Timmy. I love Doncic. He’s a flat out Drazen. Honestly I’d take either right now because both are slipping away from us with these wins. I’m starting to panic a tad... :cry:

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