Gamethread: Magic @ Jazz 03/05

[rusoopE]

Nobody loved him more than me at the draft, but the Magic tried to turn him into Carmelo when he should have developed into the next Shawn Marion. He has no business shooting stepback mid range jumpers, but that's all he wanted to do tonight. Hopefully he can get out of Orlando without being poisoned too much.

Jazz fans don't know enough about AG to know that he is always taking those stupid shots, he has fallen in love with the jumper; watch any highlight of the dude. I don't know how much of that you can blame on the coach. I remember AG coming out of high school I thought he would be a Blake Griffin clone (or maybe I just got fooled by his mixtapes). Now he wants to be is the next Ray Allen and I just don't think that is his game.

Haha you are right! Never seen it in that way

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[drsd]

This team is a mess.

[pepe1991]

Evan and Gordon combined for 8-36, on 3-16 for 3, 3 assists, 0 blocks and 0 steals.

Rest of a team took 49 FGA, and made 21 , on 9-18 for 3.


Vučević and DJ were turnover machines ( combined for 9 ) but most of the time when Magic take a shot, it was Evan and Gordon chucking.

It's just one game against better team tho.

Crowder still showing why Stevens is new Popovich.

[pepe1991]

The same people will still back up Vuc and say he’s the best defender on the team. I just wonder what they see.

He never had ability to defend big,athletic Cs.
Gobert , Deandre, Whiteside type of centers always own him.
HOWEVER, we have allegeldy great defenders on wings who get roasted by Jonas Jerebko and Joe Ingles. Ingles couldn't take my grandmother off dribble

You have to be prepared for team like Utah, you have to know that they play off Gobert and use Ingles in pick&roll to give Mitchell easy looks .Why Magc didn't put Birch on him is still beyond me.
Vogel,as always, sucks as coach and has no coaching skills to prepare team for matchups, and players that Magic have , Gordon and VUčević in particular, are too soft, to short and complete no rim protecting factors to stop him.


But let's be fair for a second and admit that Gobert is better than any Magic player.

[pepe1991]

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Oh my god

&& then he actually has the audacity to point at DJ like it wasn't him that blatantly stepped out of the way to avoid contact.

this is on Gordon and Evan but this is best example why switching defense ruined Magic.
VUčević HAS to body up Gobert who is comming, that's why he doesn't cover PG, however, why da hell Evan didn't contain him in first place and who is Gordon defending ?
If Vuc did contest, GObert would run and dunk and who would stop 7'2 guy? 6'7 PG or 6'9 wing who is already out of position to do anything ?

Again, pay attention who is Gordon defending:.
Isaac is on Ingles, so he is literally doing nothing but filling space where not a single Jazz player stands.

[p0peye]

Isaac played well. Shame he won't start over AG once AG gets a 20 million.

Are you saying that AG shouldn't start? He's been a beast all year and the face of this franchise for sure at the moment. Next year I expect another big jump for him.

Besides, Isaac and Gordon can clearly play together, no reason to trade any one of them or let one of them walk.

I don't know what you've been watching but AG hasn't really been "beasting" all season... Outside of the first few weeks and a couple of games here or there he's been average at best.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. After starting out blazing hot from deep, Aaron is shooting 27/112 in 2018 (0.24 3pt%). That is much more in line with his career averages, a bit worse actually.

[cedric76]

The Utah announcers have called out Vuc for not being a shot blocker 3 times already. It's hilarious.

Gobert effect

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You can be a good defender without being a good shotblocker

You can be a great shotblocker and a poor defender

Vuc is an above average defender, too much Vuc hate around here

[doct3r dr3]

This team is a mess.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Oh my god

&& then he actually has the audacity to point at DJ like it wasn't him that blatantly stepped out of the way to avoid contact.

this is on Gordon and Evan but this is best example why switching defense ruined Magic.
VUčević HAS to body up Gobert who is comming, that's why he doesn't cover PG, however, why da hell Evan didn't contain him in first place and who is Gordon defending ?
If Vuc did contest, GObert would run and dunk and who would stop 7'2 guy? 6'7 PG or 6'9 wing who is already out of position to do anything ?

Again, pay attention who is Gordon defending:.
Isaac is on Ingles, so he is literally doing nothing but filling space where not a single Jazz player stands.

Fournier has Mitchell at top of the key. Vuc needs to take 2 steps heck maybe even 1 and I bet you rubio backs it out. Vuc doesn’t even try which causes everything else to break. AG is there to then step and fill/get Gobert who isn’t in the frame until rubios basically laying it up.

The same poor effort Vuc shows here is the same poor effort he showed when they tipped the ball off. Dude didn’t even attempt to jump. Get this charmin soft egotistical baby off my team.

I’d rather have Biz play 32 minutes than watch his **** effort. At least Biz isn’t afraid to defend and possibly end up on a poster.

[PennytoShaq]

The Utah announcers have called out Vuc for not being a shot blocker 3 times already. It's hilarious.

Gobert effect

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You can be a good defender without being a good shotblocker

You can be a great shotblocker and a poor defender

Vuc is an above average defender, too much Vuc hate around here

You clearly missed the game last night.

[Blue_and_Whte]

My focus is on AG and Isaac... hopefully Mario too but I can’t help the gut feeling i get telling me he’s gone. If he his gone I wouldn’t mind keeping Fournier.

But This roster needs an overhaul, an influx of personalities and talent. Guys like Vuc and Fournier are wasting their careers and talent trying to carry this dumpster fire when they should be playing on a team with elite talent.


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[Blue_and_Whte]

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Oh my god

I know you’re a super Vucevic hater and look for any little thing to pin on him but this was clearly AG’s fault. Vuc was covering the trailer while AG was supposed to help at the rim.

[Audi]

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Oh my god

I know you’re a super Vucevic hater and look for any little thing to pin on him but this was clearly AG’s fault. Vuc was covering the trailer while AG was supposed to help at the rim.

Seen blame all around but...how is this not DJ's fault...that's his man outrunning him.

[drsd]

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Well: I learnt what a "Chiweenie" is. Thanks ???


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[Dennis Reynolds]

Guys like Vuc and Fournier are wasting their careers and talent trying to carry this dumpster fire when they should be playing on a team with elite talent.


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I think Vuc is actually quite underrated on this board but this is some sig worthy stuff. Delusional fanboying at its finest. What makes it even worse, I specifically recall you attacking people for doing the same thing but to a far lesser extent.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Oh my god

I know you’re a super Vucevic hater and look for any little thing to pin on him but this was clearly AG’s fault. Vuc was covering the trailer while AG was supposed to help at the rim.

Seen blame all around but...how is this not DJ's fault...that's his man outrunning him.

probably was due to a long rebound early in the shot clock or a poor pass upcourt...

[Blue_and_Whte]

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Oh my god

I know you’re a super Vucevic hater and look for any little thing to pin on him but this was clearly AG’s fault. Vuc was covering the trailer while AG was supposed to help at the rim.

Seen blame all around but...how is this not DJ's fault...that's his man outrunning him.

Well of course it is but DJ is still there. I’m talking about help at the rim. This isn’t blame all around it was AGs mess up. Nik was where he was supposed to be, on the trailer, AG isnt looking at his or DJs guy. Knowing it’s DJ and Vuc has the trailer, Ag should’ve left his guy to help. Fournier as well.


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[Xatticus]

I know you’re a super Vucevic hater and look for any little thing to pin on him but this was clearly AG’s fault. Vuc was covering the trailer while AG was supposed to help at the rim.

Seen blame all around but...how is this not DJ's fault...that's his man outrunning him.

Well of course it is but DJ is still there. I’m talking about help at the rim. This isn’t blame all around it was AGs mess up. Nik was where he was supposed to be, on the trailer, AG isnt looking at his or DJs guy. Knowing it’s DJ and Vuc has the trailer, Ag should’ve left his guy to help. Fournier as well.


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Vucevic wasn't defending anyone. Gobert flashed to the basket at the end of the video, but at no point was Vucevic looking at him. He is every bit as much to blame as is Gordon. Both players thought they were fine because they were behind the play and both players fell victim to bystander effect. Augustin clearly needed help and both Gordon and Vucevic expected the other player to provide it.

Both of them displayed pathetic effort last night. Gobert dominated Vucevic last night and Vucevic didn't even offer any resistance. The only time he fought for post position was against Rubio, where he was called for an offensive foul. Both players have been lazy in their transition defense lately. Vucevic was literally walking back for four or five steps after an ill-advised jumper by Gordon in last night's game.

I've been really annoyed by Gordon's effort of late as well. He doesn't seem interested in doing any dirty work. He gave up an offensive rebound on a missed free throw against the Grizzlies, I believe, in which he didn't bother to box out and then committed an and-1 foul. In the same game, we missed a free throw and he never even fought for position. He simply stood in place long enough to watch the defender grab the uncontested rebound before sauntering back down court. He has no business occupying one of the prime rebounding slots on free throws if he isn't even attempting to box out/fight for rebounds.

I would yank these guys off the court for any of these offenses. I am far more tolerant of human error than I am a lack of effort. Khem Birch may not have the skill set of these guys, but he will play hard.

[pepe1991]

&& then he actually has the audacity to point at DJ like it wasn't him that blatantly stepped out of the way to avoid contact.

this is on Gordon and Evan but this is best example why switching defense ruined Magic.
VUčević HAS to body up Gobert who is comming, that's why he doesn't cover PG, however, why da hell Evan didn't contain him in first place and who is Gordon defending ?
If Vuc did contest, GObert would run and dunk and who would stop 7'2 guy? 6'7 PG or 6'9 wing who is already out of position to do anything ?

Again, pay attention who is Gordon defending:.
Isaac is on Ingles, so he is literally doing nothing but filling space where not a single Jazz player stands.

Fournier has Mitchell at top of the key. Vuc needs to take 2 steps heck maybe even 1 and I bet you rubio backs it out. Vuc doesn’t even try which causes everything else to break. AG is there to then step and fill/get Gobert who isn’t in the frame until rubios basically laying it up.

The same poor effort Vuc shows here is the same poor effort he showed when they tipped the ball off. Dude didn’t even attempt to jump. Get this charmin soft egotistical baby off my team.

I’d rather have Biz play 32 minutes than watch his **** effort. At least Biz isn’t afraid to defend and possibly end up on a poster.

So you are telling me that Gordon,who is already udner a rim, would contain 7'2 monster ? Like he did in every other play where he flat out sucked or didn't even try to be help defender- avoiding be part of the poster?

Sorry but this play is clearly on Gordon and Evan, because center has no business containing guard 25 feet from rim in transition,especially if opponents center is running toward the rim. Again, who is Gordon guarding? It's not Ingles and Jerebko is nowhere to be found so what's his purpose in bottom right corner? Stat pad potential rebound?

I adressed that Vučević flat out sucked on defense last night, but not on this play.
Honestlly whole notion that Vučević is " not trying" and biyombo is "trying" is silly. Biyombo only plays hard when he plays Raptors and Hornets- for pretty clear reason. In any other game he is as lazy as anybody else.

[Furinkazan]

lol its common knowledge even Jazz anouncers said Magic opponents shot 66% in the paint when Vuc is defending it so obviously teams exploit it.